# Hey Pharm Boy **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 16, 2001, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pharm-boy/50256 "2001-01-16T01:57:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2001, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pharm-boy/50256/41 "2001-01-16T11:37:39Z")
> [@](#): > > If everyone practiced safe (by my definition) sex no one would actually get laid, ever. šŸ˜‰ Hindsight is a great gift, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2001, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pharm-boy/50256/42 "2001-01-16T11:38:07Z")
Actually, Badtz Maru, there are a large contingent of gay men and some straight people I know who do sleep around but request to see the paperwork that their partners have had a recent HIV test. And, Badtzā€¦ you practice abstinence with your wife? Sheā€™s either a saint, masturbating like a fiend, or both. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2001, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pharm-boy/50256/43 "2001-01-16T11:56:51Z")
**Batz** : [ul][li]Please tell me who this person is that is practicing unsafe sex and demanding more AIDS funding.[/li] [li]Your sex life is not mine (thankfully). Abstinence until marriage is not for me.[/li] [li]Having a lot of sex now does not preclude my desire for a long-term, monogamous relationship.[/li] [li]I have told you precious little of how, exactly, I have sex, other than I practice what is commonly known as safer sex. There are other details I am intentionally leaving out that would further satisfy you that I am, indeed, being extraordinarily safe.[/ul][/li] Now kindly shut the fuck up - youā€™re really making yourself out to be a holier-than-thou ignoramous. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Alphagene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Alphagene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alphagene)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2001, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pharm-boy/50256/44 "2001-01-16T12:00:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Esprix \* > **OK, so where were the mods when JDT outright called me a pedophile?** I posted a [warning](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=891891#post891891) to JDT within 24 hours. Thatā€™s pretty much all I _can_ do in that situation. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2001, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pharm-boy/50256/45 "2001-01-16T12:47:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Hastur \* > **Why be a dick and start being judgemental about someone elseā€™s life?** Am I the only one for whom this sentence doesnā€™t quite scan? Isnā€™t calling someone a dick being judgemental? ---
**Author:** ![Longboard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/da6949/32.png) [@Longboard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Longboard)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2001, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pharm-boy/50256/46 "2001-01-16T13:07:26Z")
What?.. you think that roasting Pharmboy will change the way the he thinks, hehā€¦ not, or even that your opinions and support for your gay friend means anything in the real world, hehā€¦not. So whats the big deal about a guy that gets laid a few times a week, whatever his sexual orientation, and whats the deal if someone thinks gay sex is sick, its normal to have opinions from both sides of lifeā€¦ kind of keeps things in balance. Everyone is entiltled to their opinion in life, and or those of you who enjoy beastiality I say more power to yaā€¦ pig fuckersā€¦lol. I donā€™t have to be a krusty bastard either, just felt like it. ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2001, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pharm-boy/50256/47 "2001-01-16T13:37:13Z")
Hehā€¦ lolā€¦ the problem is lol that we donā€™t allow people to make gratuitous insults lol based on heh sexual preferenceā€¦ lol. Otherwise, welcome aboard. Heh. lol. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2001, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pharm-boy/50256/48 "2001-01-16T13:50:17Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Badtz Maru \* > If Esprix demanded that each of his partners had been tested for all STDs prior to sex, demanded to see proof of the testing, and somehow made sure that these partners had not had a chance to contract any diseases between when they were tested and when he had sex with them, I would consider that safe sex. I seriously doubt that he didā€¦ > If everyone practiced safe (by my definition) sex, AIDS would not be so widespread._\* I just had this vivid image of that scene in ā€œJeffreyā€ where the AIDS-paranoid gay man wraps one of his partners up in saran wrap. Love, Matt (Safe sex slut) ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2001, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pharm-boy/50256/49 "2001-01-16T16:11:35Z")
Geez, 20 years of AIDS education and STILL we get a bunch of half-truths and foolsihness? 1ā€“HIV is a virus, not a divine judgement on the number of bed partners one has. All it wants are some yummy blood cells in which to replicateā€“it doesnā€™t care if itā€™s in a straight person or a gay person. **It isnā€™t the number of partners, but what you do with them that counts.** 2ā€“Worrying about a partnerā€™s status is foolish. As far as I am concerned, **Every man I sleep with is HIV positive, and I exercise safer sex precautions each and every time** 3ā€“Each person has a personal definition of morality, and it is not up to any person here to pass judgements, unless youā€™ve been promoted to God Almighty. Frankly, as long as you give your partner pleasure and make him or her feel better for the experience, I say, rave on, baby! 4ā€“Esprix, when are you going to swing by DC and give me some of that lovinā€™? Although you should stop in Quebec first so Matt can finally get him some. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2001, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pharm-boy/50256/50 "2001-01-16T16:44:10Z")
I have read this thread, and the threads that spawned it. I wasnā€™t going to say anything, esp. since I donā€™t talk to Esprix anymore, but this is ridiculous. The whole original issue is silly and pointless, and there is no need for this to evolve into yet another ā€œGay Guyā€ thread. The most on-topic post this whole thread was oldieā€™s OP, IMO. Esprix is (sorta) young, carefree, intelligent, and responsible. He is having a good time having safe sex with friends who he cares about. Who cares? If people donā€™t like it, donā€™t post to his thread. Hell, **I** didnā€™t care for his thread, simply because I _personally_ believe in one partner only, long-term. Nothing to do with les/bi/gay/tg/ts/straight, AIDS, the DNC, the NRA, Greenpeace, the Shining Path, the Five Shao-Lin Assassins, or anything else[sup]1[/sup]. What Pharm Boy did was a classic drive-by post, and one that was unneeded and mean in the context of MPSIMS. So I agree with the OP. If Pharm Boy or others really wanted to debate or put forth a view that he is ā€œwrongā€, Iā€™m quite certain Esprix would be happy to start a ā€œGay Guy IV, V, or 1E+28ā€ for that matter to discuss it. [sub]1) Now, because I seem to get flamed so much for my odd sense of humor - I am not saying that I, Esprix, or anyone else is a member of or necessarily believes in the causes of said organizations. Cash value 1/20 cent.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2001, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pharm-boy/50256/51 "2001-01-16T16:57:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Alphagene \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Esprix \* > > **OK, so where were the mods when JDT outright called me a pedophile?** > > I posted a [warning](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=891891#post891891) to JDT within 24 hours. Thatā€™s pretty much all I _can_ do in that situation. \*\* Kindly do not criticize Alpha or the mods on this one. I saw _Tommy_ too, and even though I was scrutinizing the post because my name was in it too, I still didnā€™t see it. And I donā€™t know what dictionary you use, but making an allusion to Uncle Ernie in Tommy is not ā€œoutrightā€ calling you a pedophile. Yes, it was a most likely a hateful slur against you that was _intended_ to mean that, but it was not clear-cut (clear-cutā€¦hehā€¦JDT pun not intended šŸ˜ƒ ). [outright](http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=outright) ---
**Author:** ![Diane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2acd7d/32.png) [@Diane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diane)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2001, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pharm-boy/50256/52 "2001-01-16T17:09:38Z")
> [@](#): > > ryan, if I, or most other young, single men, were going about banging broads like it was going out of fashion, we would have done exactly what Esprix did. The only difference is that if I had said that I practiced safe sex (as Esprix did) there would be NO ONE telling me what I did was wrong. Good point! I wonder if I would have received the same responses (pats on the back and proclamations of jealousy) had I, as a female, made the following post: \*"Seriously - Iā€™ve been in San Diego for exactly 14 days, and Iā€™ve already had sex with Dom, Tom, Abid, Joe (all within the first four days of landing), Kris, Tommy, and Iā€™m meeting Tom again in an hour and seeing Vince later tonight, plus I met Paul and he wants me to take him out on a date, which I most certainly am going to do. Goodness gracious, is that too much? It is so hard to be me sometimes. And every night I thank the heavens for America Onlineā€¦ \* ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2001, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pharm-boy/50256/53 "2001-01-16T19:42:42Z")
As to Esprixā€™s so called promiscuity, I donā€™t really approve or disapprove. Frankly, I donā€™t care. I mean, unless heā€™s like picking up some dude he found on some street corner, Iā€™m sure Esprix knows these guys and knows what heā€™s doing. To promiscuity in general, I feel the same way about that as I do tongue piercings and plastic surgery and booze. Itā€™s not something Iā€™d recommend, or do myself, but hey-whatever makes you happy. I donā€™t necessarily think itā€™s a great thing, but itā€™s not a bad thing either. But I do have a question: Hastur, when you speak of the ā€œlameness of waiting until marriageā€, what do you mean? Are you saying that you personally think itā€™s silly to wait until marriage? Or, are you saying that anyone who wants to wait to have sex until he or she is ready, finds the right person, or is married is lame, a nerd, stupid? Because THAT right there would be just as judgemental as someone saying Esprix is having unsafe sex. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2001, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pharm-boy/50256/54 "2001-01-16T21:14:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > \*\* > But I do have a question: Hastur, when you speak of the ā€œlameness of waiting until marriageā€, what do you mean? Are you saying that you personally think itā€™s silly to wait until marriage? > Or, are you saying that anyone who wants to wait to have sex until he or she is ready, finds the right person, or is married is lame, a nerd, stupid? Because THAT right there would be just as judgemental as someone saying Esprix is having unsafe sex. \*\* I think that the concept of waiting until marriage is archaic and antiquated. I think it leads to a lot of trauma for both parties, which is unnecessary. I do believe in waiting until you are ready. What I donā€™t believe in is setting one self up for failure. In classes Iā€™ve taken on development and research Iā€™ve done on sexuality, a lot of people who wait for marriage donā€™t bother to prepare themselves for sex. They donā€™t do any reading, no preparation of any kind. They often figure it will just work and flow ā€˜as nature intended.ā€™ This is what has led to women thinking that sex is a big nothing, and led men to premature ejaculation. I waited for love. I donā€™t regret that. But, I was also ready and knew what the mechanics of sex entailed, including lubrication and what to do to please my partner. ---
**Author:** ![Sue\_Duhnym](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/91b2a8/32.png) [@Sue\_Duhnym](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sue_Duhnym)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2001, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pharm-boy/50256/55 "2001-01-16T22:40:01Z")
Okay, so **PharmBoy** said a bad word, appears to be homophobic and disapproves of **Esprixā€™s** sexcapades, but where did he erroneously _insinuate_ something about him? Forgive me if Iā€™m wrong, but I thought that when you post something on a public messageboard, you have to know you could take some lumps. Yeah, yeah, **PharmBoy** was being a jerk, but had somebody (say me) come into **Esprixā€™s** thread and said this: [hypothetical quote] Esprix, I hope you realize that some people will find your whoring around disgusting and your bragging worse. Itā€™s a good thing that you DO practice safe sex because if you did have a disease, it appears all of SD would have it by now. [/hypothetical quote] would I be threatened with banishment? I hope not, because that is what I was thinking when I read his OP. Granted, it wouldnā€™t mean much because in the world of sluts, Iā€™m a little black pot and Esprix is a big, black kettle. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2001, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pharm-boy/50256/56 "2001-01-16T22:52:47Z")
> [@](#): > > I think that the concept of waiting until marriage is archaic and antiquated. I think it leads to a lot of trauma for both parties, which is unnecessary. I thought you had something against being ā€œjudgementalā€. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2001, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pharm-boy/50256/57 "2001-01-16T23:00:01Z")
Slap my face and call me Zsa Zsa, but I do believe there is a difference between ā€œI think waiting for marriage is silly, so I wonā€™t do itā€ and ā€œYouā€™re a disgusting, whoring slut.ā€ ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2001, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pharm-boy/50256/58 "2001-01-16T23:03:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sue Duhnym \* > \*\*[hypothetical quote] > > Esprix, > > I hope you realize that some people will find your whoring around disgusting and your bragging worse. > > Itā€™s a good thing that you DO practice safe sex because if you did have a disease, it appears all of SD would have it by now. > > [/hypothetical quote] > > would I be threatened with banishment?\*\* No, I suppose not. But at least your comment is voiced in _constructive_ manner. **PharmBoy** said: > [@](#): > > **Itā€™s no surprise that AIDS continues to spread in the gay community , with behavior like this.** In my view, heā€™s insinuating many things. First off, that Esprix does not practise safe sex. Secondly, that only gay people are subject to AIDS. Combined with the hateful intonation, I thought it warranted a good ass-kicking. Iā€™m not immune to criticism, so you may certainly disagree with that assessment. I stand by it, even in retrospect. Ya little slut. šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2001, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pharm-boy/50256/59 "2001-01-16T23:11:43Z")
> [@](#): > > I do believe there is a difference between ā€œI think waiting for marriage is silly, so I wonā€™t do itā€ and ā€œYouā€™re a disgusting, whoring slut.ā€ Yeah. One is a bash against marriage, the other is a bash against whoring sluts. Whatā€™s your point? ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2001, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pharm-boy/50256/60 "2001-01-16T23:46:08Z")
One is an attack on the **practice** of marrying before having sex, as opposed to people who do so. One is an attack on **people** who have lots of sex, as opposed to the practice of doing so. Does that clear it up for you? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pharm-boy/50256.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pharm-boy/50256.md?page=4)