# Hey pizzabrat: eat shit you antagonizing horsefucker **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 28, 2004, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470 "2004-05-28T05:04:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/41 "2004-05-28T16:07:35Z")
Obnoxious? I dunno. I thought she was fairly benign. Now if somebody said Urkle or Raven I might think that character not race to be the issue. ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/42 "2004-05-28T16:22:27Z")
> [@JuanitaTech](#): > > Hold on for a sec while I pull out my handy dandy Is This Racist? check list. > > This statement asserts one race is superior/inferior to another. > This statement contains hatred or strong dislike of another race, religion or culture. > This statement makes distinctions on the basis of race or religion with regards to individual merit. > > Nope, nope and nope.While this may be true, confusing racism with offense doesn’t help matters _at all_. In my opinion, it would be offensive if it didn’t reference a black kid, i.e., "dropping the _kids_ off at the pool. But because it references a _black_ kid, it is racist. ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/43 "2004-05-28T16:24:48Z")
> [@JuanitaTech](#): > > Equating a person with brown skin, because that’s basically what the euphemism is doing, to a piece of poop–which also happens to be brown, well in most cases, at least-- is not the same as asserting black people are inferior to anyone, expressing hatred for black people or make a distinction on the basis _race_ or religion. > > The euphemism would work–and be equally tasteless–with anyone with brown skin–people of Latin descent, Middle Easteners, Inuits, George Hamilton, etc. And after a dinner of spinach, you could say you’re going to drop Oscar the Grouch off at the pool. Well, call me crazy, but equating brown skin with poop really DOES say, “Hey! You’re inferior to me! I’m not like SHIT but you are!” Shit is inferior to humans. At least to every person I’ve asked. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/44 "2004-05-28T16:51:47Z")
> [@Kalhoun](#): > > Well, call me crazy, but equating brown skin with poop really DOES say, “Hey! You’re inferior to me! I’m not like SHIT but you are!” Shit is inferior to humans. At least to every person I’ve asked. This is insanity. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/45 "2004-05-28T16:54:45Z")
> [@lezlers](#): > > I’ve heard of “dropping the _kids_ off at the pool” but never “dropping Rudy Huxtable off at the pool”. Naw, it’s “Taking the Browns to the Super Bowl”. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/46 "2004-05-28T17:05:45Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Naw, it’s “Taking the Browns to the Super Bowl”. Okay, I like this one. Would anyone living in Cleveland be offended or insulted in any way if I use it? Your answer will not effect my usage of it, I’m just curious. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/47 "2004-05-28T17:06:29Z")
> [@BubbaDog](#): > > Now if somebody said Urkle or Raven I might think that character not race to be the issue. Ah, but Olivia IS Raven. So, see, it all comes full circle. ---
**Author:** ![UrbanChic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9dc877/32.png) [@UrbanChic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UrbanChic)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/48 "2004-05-28T17:09:59Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > This is insanity. I couldn’t have put it any better if I tried. _sigh_ This type of shit creates a Boy Who Cried Wolf environment. I guess, however, we’ll just have to agree to disagree. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/49 "2004-05-28T17:19:24Z")
> [@Lord Ashtar](#): > > Okay, I like this one. Would anyone living in Cleveland be offended or insulted in any way if I use it? Sadly, I’m sure lots of nuts would take total offence. Seems to be all the rage these days. Nice for me, because being bi-racial, I get to freak out over just about anything. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/50 "2004-05-28T17:21:14Z")
> [@BubbaDog](#): > > If he had said the big “N” word in place of Rudy Huxtable it would have been _very_ racist and _high_ on the hate scale. Well…yeah. But that’s because Nigger is a really bad word and, as far as my reality is concerned, Rudy Huxtable isn’t. You know, if you substituted “the big ‘N’ word” for anything it would be _very_ racist and _high_ on the hate scale. Mom, I’m going down to Ol’ Wes’s General Store to pick up a pack of cigarettes. Mom, I’m going down to Ol’ Wes’s General Store to pick up a pack of niggers. You see? The second one’s not so nice to say. Let’s try another! It’s Memorial Day Weekend, we should go to the cemetary and remember the fallen soldiers. It’s nigger Day Weekend, we should go to the nigger place and remember the fallen niggers. First one patriotic! Second one? Really really bad. Really. So what have we learned? The N word probably isn’t good to use in any speech, colloquial or formal. Rudy Huxtable, however, is fair game. In fact, according to the IMDB, she was born in 1979 so she’s been fair game for 5 whole years! ---
**Author:** ![SkipMagic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skipmagic/32/20706_2.png) [@SkipMagic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkipMagic)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/51 "2004-05-28T17:25:32Z")
> [@Captain Amazing](#): > > Ah, but Olivia IS Raven. So, see, it all comes full circle. Would that be the toroidal circle the poop travels as it’s flushed away? ---
**Author:** ![NicePete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ee7513/32.png) [@NicePete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NicePete)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/52 "2004-05-28T17:25:51Z")
> [@emulsified](#): > > Well, people can certainly disagree, but in my opinion metaphorically referring to a black person as a piece of shit does imply some amount of hatred or strong dislike. So I might be inclined to check off \*\*number two \*\*on your list. Does it have to be all three to be considered racist? Heh heh heh. He said “Number two”. /Beavis ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/53 "2004-05-28T17:47:44Z")
As the person who started this fracas by asking **Airman Doors** whether or not his repeating of the joke was appropriate, I can say that I accept his disclaimer of not intending any harm. I didn’t accuse him of being racist, nor would I, based only upon what I’ve read on this board. I can also say that - intention of harm or not - repeating jokes of this nature perpetuates them. Since it is offensive to at least _one_ person of color on this board, it is probably offensive to many more. What is offensive to one may not be offensive to another. A sexually offensive joke, however, does not carry the same weight as a racially offensive joke. A moral person may soon forget the sexual innuendo; it’s doubtful that someone of color will forget the slur. I just wanted to clear up my point. Please carry on with the shouting and gesturing. ---
**Author:** ![emulsified](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/emulsified/32/2915_2.png) [@emulsified](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emulsified)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/54 "2004-05-28T17:49:16Z")
I love to scatter subtle poo messages throughout my posts. Let’s just say it’s what I do. I am sensitive to this subject because I feel there is a movement now that scoffs at any expression of anger when offense is taken. This backlash–most often expressed in ridicule and affected outrage–will ultimately make people more hesitant to speak up. I think enough people in this thread have spoken on both sides for us to at least admit that it’s not “insane” to consider that there might be a racist implication to the joke quoted by the OP. Also, I would not insult you by calling you insane for disagreeing. Would that you would return the favor. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/55 "2004-05-28T17:54:00Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > It’s nigger Day Weekend, we should go to the nigger place and remember the fallen niggers. Actually this is kind of funny if you imagine Dave Chappell saying it. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac8455/32.png) [@Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bippy_the_Beardless)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/56 "2004-05-28T18:00:02Z")
I though **Airman** ’s joke was more than a tad racist, but to claim that in anyway makes **Airman** racist is foolish. He was mearly insensitive at the time. Calling Racist at every possible moment mearly dissvalues the badness of the term. I guarantee everyone can be called racist for some reason or other, but if we all call each other racist the term loses all value. Then what do we get to call the KKK? ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/57 "2004-05-28T18:02:18Z")
> [@emulsified](#): > > I think enough people in this thread have spoken on both sides for us to at least admit that it’s not “insane” to consider that there might be a racist implication to the joke quoted by the OP. Also, I would not insult you by calling you insane for disagreeing. Would that you would return the favor. Sorry dude but extrapolating… [quote] > [@Kalhoun](#): > > Well, call me crazy, but equating brown skin with poop really DOES say, “Hey! You’re inferior to me! I’m not like SHIT but you are!” Shit is inferior to humans. At least to every person I’ve asked. …is straight the fuck up crazy. I could go into why people like this are dropping society off at the pool, but I feel lazy today. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/58 "2004-05-28T18:03:23Z")
> [@Bippy the Beardless](#): > > Then what do we get to call the KKK? Mindless lynchmob redneck motherfuckers? ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/59 "2004-05-28T18:07:56Z")
Hmmmm, wait, maybe I got that wrong. Are these people _turning_ society into the pool, and then they’re dropping their Huxtables off in it? Either the society is the “Huxtable” or the pool. Eh, whatever. ---
**Author:** ![emulsified](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/emulsified/32/2915_2.png) [@emulsified](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emulsified)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/60 "2004-05-28T18:12:09Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > I could go into why people like this are dropping society off at the pool, but I feel lazy today. Maybe when you’re feeling more energized, you’d be willing to explain. I’m keen to hear why you think someone who seems to be saying that its not cool to compare people to shit is more responsible for society’s decline than the shit caller him or herself. This seems a little backwards to me, but then I’ve been accused of being a bit loony. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470.md?page=4)