# Hey pizzabrat: eat shit you antagonizing horsefucker **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 28, 2004, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470 "2004-05-28T05:04:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![UrbanChic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9dc877/32.png) [@UrbanChic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UrbanChic)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/61 "2004-05-28T18:15:40Z")
> [@emulsified](#): > > I am sensitive to this subject because I feel there is a movement now that scoffs at any expression of anger when offense is taken. That still doesn’t make offensive and racist synonymous terms. A statement can be offensive, even racially offensive without necessarily being racist. For what it’s worth, my husband called while I was composing this post. He’s black, too, just for the record. He, like me, isn’t one to find racism hiding under every rock and pebble. I’m not accusing people in this thread who find the statement in question racist of doing that, either, I’m just pointing out when he thinks something’s racist, it’s usually overt. He thinks the euphemism is racist and racially offensive. I’m currently leafing through the Yellow Pages to retain a divorce lawyer… ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/62 "2004-05-28T18:22:46Z")
The joke is not funny, and it’s offensive because of the sentiments it conjures up. Whether or not it’s racist really depends on the intentions of the jokester. My feeling is that if you don’t want to be called a racist, don’t say the joke . Also, you’re being an ass if you’re sitting there pretending you don’t understand how the joke can could be seen as racist. The racist connotations are clear to anyone with a third grade education. Yes, I’m talking to _you_. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/63 "2004-05-28T18:26:47Z")
> [@JuanitaTech](#): > > I’m currently leafing through the Yellow Pages to retain a divorce lawyer… hehe ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/64 "2004-05-28T18:28:41Z")
> [@JuanitaTech](#): > > That still doesn’t make offensive and racist synonymous terms. A statement can be offensive, even racially offensive without necessarily being racist. > > For what it’s worth, my husband called while I was composing this post. He’s black, too, just for the record. He, like me, isn’t one to find racism hiding under every rock and pebble. I’m not accusing people in this thread who find the statement in question racist of doing that, either, I’m just pointing out when he thinks something’s racist, it’s usually overt. He thinks the euphemism is racist and racially offensive. Gotta go with your husband in this one, **Juanita**. While I have no problem with being irreverent to racial political correctness, the comment in question is definitely racist in tone, if not necessarily intention. C’mon, comparing black kids to feces? That’s just nasty. Mind you, as a white guy, it’s probably not my place to say which comments black folks ought to find offensive, but damn . . . ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/65 "2004-05-28T18:30:03Z")
**JuanitaTech** , I realized that my post could be miscontrued as response to yours. I’m not calling you an ass…unless you’re saying you can’t understand how someone could find the joke racially offensive. _I_ simply can’t understand that position. If you only disagree with the sentiment that the joke is inherently racist, then we’re in agreement. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/66 "2004-05-28T18:37:09Z")
> [@JuanitaTech](#): > > I’m currently leafing through the Yellow Pages to retain a divorce lawyer… Now all you have to do is buy a box of Pop-Tarts and a few cans of ravioli and we can continue our briefly interrupted love affair! 😉 This thread helped clarify something for me. There was a guy I knew who used the phrase “drop Rudy off at the pool”. I had always heard the phrase as “the kids” and just assumed that Rudy must be a kid he knew. Now I get it. And find it offensive. Odd thing though is that it’s probably the only even remotely racist thing I ever heard him say. I wonder if he even knew the genesis of it. ---
**Author:** ![UrbanChic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9dc877/32.png) [@UrbanChic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UrbanChic)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/67 "2004-05-28T18:47:53Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > **JuanitaTech** , I realized that my post could be miscontrued as response to yours. I’m not calling you an ass… That’s OK. I’ve been called worse for doing/saying less. > [@](#): > > unless you’re saying you can’t understand how someone could find the joke racially offensive. _I_ simply can’t understand that position. I can totally understand how someone could call that euphemism offensive. > [@](#): > > If you only disagree with the sentiment that the joke is inherently racist, then we’re in agreement. We’re in agreement. I still posit the euphemism is tasteless, base, crass and offensive but not inherently (thanks, monstro) racist. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/68 "2004-05-28T18:56:58Z")
> [@emulsified](#): > > Maybe when you’re feeling more energized, you’d be willing to explain. I’m keen to hear why you think someone who seems to be saying that its not cool to compare people to shit is more responsible for society’s decline than the shit caller him or herself. We seem to be a society devolving into some pathetic lynchmob, clamoring around looking under rocks, trying to find offence where none exists, or is intended. We’ve become fixated on obsessing over every possible slight against anybody, and demanding senate hearings on the issue. (we’re not to the hearing, but give it 10 years). Look at that mayor who used the word “niggardly”, they ran him out of the town on the rails. (yeah yeah he came back, “our bad” :rolleyes: ) [sub]I wonder if you think my using “our bad” to describe how a bunch of presumably black people apologized after the incident will make me a racist. Hmmm, even worse, perhaps you’ll make the **Kalhoun** leap of insanity™ and say that I think black people are a bunch of uneducated “monkeys” because they didn’t know the true meaning of niggardly. The mind boggles.[/sub] People don’t like different people, it’s a fact of the world, and it will never change. We’d be better off learning to live with this unfortunate side of human nature, instead of screaming bloody murder every time someone says something even be **remotely construed as racist.** Something more obvious? Go to fucking town on them, shit, I’ll join you. We’ve got to let this little piddly shit go, lest we’ll destroy ourselves. ---
**Author:** ![emulsified](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/emulsified/32/2915_2.png) [@emulsified](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emulsified)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/69 "2004-05-28T19:14:59Z")
Thanks for clarifying. I think most people would agree that false accusations of racism–such as in the infamous “niggardly” debacle you mention–are a waste of time. You’d be hard pressed to find a reasonable person who thought otherwise. However, that was never the question. The real question is… > [@](#): > > Something more obvious? What is more obvious? Why is this piddly? Certainly you can see in this thread that many people disagree with you and consider that the sentiment espoused in the joke is more than “remotely” racist. Why are you the arbiter of what is silly and what is important? Can you see that it is a matter of opinion and perspective and not objective fact? ---
**Author:** ![pizzabrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e9c0ed/32.png) [@pizzabrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pizzabrat)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/70 "2004-05-28T19:41:45Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > We seem to be a society devolving into some pathetic lynchmob, clamoring around looking under rocks, trying to find offence where none exists, or is intended. We’ve become fixated on obsessing over every possible slight against anybody, and demanding senate hearings on the issue. (we’re not to the hearing, but give it 10 years). Look at that mayor who used the word “niggardly”, they ran him out of the town on the rails. (yeah yeah he came back, “our bad” :rolleyes: ) > > [sub]I wonder if you think my using “our bad” to describe how a bunch of presumably black people apologized after the incident will make me a racist. > > Hmmm, even worse, perhaps you’ll make the **Kalhoun** leap of insanity™ and say that I think black people are a bunch of uneducated “monkeys” because they didn’t know the true meaning of niggardly. > > The mind boggles.[/sub] > > People don’t like different people, it’s a fact of the world, and it will never change. We’d be better off learning to live with this unfortunate side of human nature, instead of screaming bloody murder every time someone says something even be **remotely construed as racist.** > > Something more obvious? Go to fucking town on them, shit, I’ll join you. We’ve got to let this little piddly shit go, lest we’ll destroy ourselves. Okay, who’s blowing what out of proportion, now? ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/71 "2004-05-28T19:47:21Z")
> [@emulsified](#): > > What is more obvious? I’m going to go drop off a nigger at the pool? > [@](#): > > Why is this piddly? Because the little Huxtable kid is specific, not a generalization like above. > [@](#): > > Certainly you can see in this thread that many people disagree with you and consider that the sentiment espoused in the joke is more than “remotely” racist. People think lots of things, (SUVs are evil, SH was behind 9/11, Illuminati, etc) they’re entitled to their opinion, I am entitled to mine. (you’re all fucking nuts). > [@](#): > > Why are you the arbiter of what is silly and what is important? Can you see that it is a matter of opinion and perspective and not objective fact? Yes it’s a matter of opinion. I’m also of the opinion that we’re headed in a direction that is bad for us. One of the bad things is making a HUGE stink over things that I would consider a sane person to find insignificant. Do you realize how much damage Janet Jackson did with her stupid stunt? Wouldn’t it be great to live in a world were the _10,000 people who called the FCC on some direct batphone 1.7 seconds after seeing a nipple_ didn’t exist? Didn’t we have some type of hearing on that? YMMV ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/72 "2004-05-28T19:49:08Z")
> [@pizzabrat](#): > > Okay, who’s blowing what out of proportion, now? Well considering that I don’t know what the hell you’re talking about, I’ll have to guess. I’m being melodramatic in my prophecies of doom? ---
**Author:** ![pizzabrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e9c0ed/32.png) [@pizzabrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pizzabrat)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/73 "2004-05-28T19:56:39Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > Well considering that I don’t know what the hell you’re talking about, I’ll have to guess. > > I’m being melodramatic in my prophecies of doom? Based on finger-waving over an inappropriate (yes, such a racially offensive joke is inappropriate for a MPSIMS thread on a mixed board) joke, yes. Cisco’s the one who started the thread in the first place, not some angry offended person. And to clear things up, the original joke was about the Cosby kids, not just Rudy. I know it’s not that much of a difference, but it makes it more obvious that the joke was about feces-colored kids, not a specific little girl (few people leave just a single bolus in one session anyway). ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/74 "2004-05-28T20:09:04Z")
> [@pizzabrat](#): > > Cisco’s the one who started the thread in the first place, not some angry offended person. I was actually makinga general statement that had nothing to do with **Cisco** > [@](#): > > I know it’s not that much of a difference, but it makes it more obvious that the joke was about feces-colored kids, not a specific little girl (few people leave just a single bolus in one session anyway). Well to me, specific girl or specific family doesn’t mean specific race. ---
**Author:** ![The\_King\_of\_Soup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a87d85/32.png) [@The\_King\_of\_Soup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_King_of_Soup)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/75 "2004-05-28T20:25:41Z")
I don’t think it’s too early in the thread to pose a question. By my rough count, of the posters who have clearly expressed an opinion, a little less than a third have no problem with the phrase, a little more than two-thirds find it offensive, and more than half of those find it offensive at least partly because of its racial implications. Knowing this, will the phrase’s defenders continue to use the phrase? It’s not as if the idea can’t be expressed in other terms, or as if it needs to be expressed at all. It isn’t a free speech issue. Of course you’re allowed to say it, you just can’t dictate what other people think of you when you do. So how about it? Who’s keeping this little gem in their repertoire? FWIW, I’m white, born in 1963, and I find the phrase absolutely poisonous. The subject is a tv character, not an actual person one can personally dislike. The euphemism is constructed as a metaphor, and there is no coherent basis for comparison, even proffered by its defenders, other than color. The subject stands in for feces, which have no positive attributes, and whose negative attributes (they smell, they’re useless, they spread disease) are well-known canards hurled at black people by racists who make the comparison directly. Color bias is the most visible symptom of racism. I might be willing to believe that a person who used the phrase was ignorant of its racial impact, but I’d advise such a person to remedy his ignorance. Fast. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/76 "2004-05-28T20:35:57Z")
I never used it before, so I obviously won’t be using in the future. As far as times where I’m in a scenario in which I need to mind my tongue or behavior to not incense someone else? I take it on a case-by-case basis. Some times I hold it, sometimes they’ll have to learn to deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/77 "2004-05-28T21:02:02Z")
> [@pizzabrat](#): > > Who thinks what’s an act of the Devil, the person who started an entire pit thread about it? Did you read the original thread? One person _mildly_ complained about it’s inappropriateness, and I agreed with snarky retorts based on the two posters previous posts. There was decidedly no “big deal” made about it. > > So…basically _he_’s not allowed to say anything about anything? IMO, the euphamism was out of line, so we’re even. Besides, I wouldn’t have even said anything if I weren’t given an easy set-up buy someone else complaining first. The “big deal” (god, why do you use quotes so much?) is that you called Airman Doors a racist, and then when I defended him you called me a racist. Either apologize, admit you’re an asshole, or defend your accusations with something better than “it was an easy set-up because someone else complained first.” ---
**Author:** ![lezlers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@lezlers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lezlers)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/78 "2004-05-28T21:23:28Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > Sadly, I’m sure lots of nuts would take total offence. Seems to be all the rage these days. > > Nice for me, because being bi-racial, I get to freak out over just about anything. :rolleyes: Naw, suprisingly, it’s usually the white folks who cry _racism!_ at the slightest opprotunity. You see, it’s a good way to show how cool and progressive and “in touch” with people of other races we are. Comon’. Whaddaya wanna bet **pizzabrat** is a white male in his early or mid twenties, from a middle class family and most likely in college? I’d also throw in “sporting dreds and drives a VW bus” but I don’t want to get too ahead of myself. You know, when all the people that aren’t white are saying something _isn’t_ racist, but all the people that _are_ white are saying there is, that’s an indication that something may be a little…off. ---
**Author:** ![lezlers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@lezlers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lezlers)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/79 "2004-05-28T21:24:59Z")
Damn, I forgot cars are eeeeevil in **pizzabrat** ’s world. Cross out “drives a VW bus” and replace with “rides a bicycle”. ---
**Author:** ![pizzabrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e9c0ed/32.png) [@pizzabrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pizzabrat)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2004, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/80 "2004-05-28T21:27:31Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > The “big deal” (god, why do you use quotes so much?) is that you called Airman Doors a racist, and then when I defended him you called me a racist. > > Either apologize, admit you’re an asshole, or defend your accusations with something better than “it was an easy set-up because someone else complained first.” When did I call anyone a racist? I said the joke wasn’t surprising coming from **Airman** since he also misses blackface gags. That’s not something I made up, I even provided a link. When you defended it, I said that also wasn’t surprising since you dismissed racism as “not a big deal” in a previous thread. That’s not calling either of you racist, that’s just pointing out that you’re fine with racially offensive jokes. You both admitted fondness for the joke, where did I err? Was I supposed to exhibit surprise at your fondness? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470.md?page=5)