# Hey pizzabrat: eat shit you antagonizing horsefucker **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 28, 2004, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470 "2004-05-28T05:04:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![pizzabrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e9c0ed/32.png) [@pizzabrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pizzabrat)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2004, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/101 "2004-05-29T02:11:43Z")
> [@Jeff Olsen](#): > > I find that hard to believe. My guess is either you weren’t as thorough as you think or the protesters didn’t do a good job of presenting their side. They gave out a flyer, and when the material pointed out that she didn’t even eat the entire meals and that she avoided some of the menu items entirely, I dismissed her experiment as hardly parallel. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2004, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/102 "2004-05-29T02:59:04Z")
> [@pizzabrat](#): > > The only reason I’m not doing so well in the death-spike thread is because McDonald’s obviously has way more friends than I do. Yea, _that’s_ the reason. ---
**Author:** ![The\_King\_of\_Soup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a87d85/32.png) [@The\_King\_of\_Soup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_King_of_Soup)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2004, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/103 "2004-05-29T03:01:49Z")
I have typed this seven times, and am a little ornery now. Please forgive me. Good for us. We all agree. We agree that racism and racist speech are bad. We agree that people should be held responsible for what they say. We agree (unintentionally, apparently) that ambiguous remarks can be seen as offensive by reasonable people and that other reasonable people can disagree. Good for us. **World Eater** , I have read many of your posts, and I agree with you often and respect you always. I do not believe that you always judge what you say on a case by case basis. I do, too often, and I regret it because my criteria too frequently devolve to “Is there anyone here bigger than me?” or “Is there anyone here who has something I want?” This of course makes me not an advocate for free speech but merely a cowardly bully. Surely you have some rule for what you are willing to say regardless of the audience. That rule, if shared, might help the rest of us achieve consensus. Meanwhile, I’d like for others besides \*\*World Eater \*\* to answer my original question: who is willing to use this phrase tomorrow? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2004, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/104 "2004-05-29T03:10:39Z")
> [@pizzabrat](#): > > They gave out a flyer, and when the material pointed out that she didn’t even eat the entire meals and that she avoided some of the menu items entirely, I dismissed her experiment as hardly parallel. In other words, you totally missed her point. No surpise there. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2004, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/105 "2004-05-29T03:13:07Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > Cisco and Airmon Doors, the remark was out of bounds here on the SDMB. The board rules are very clear: offensive racial and ethnic remarks simply are not acceptable here, and the remark clearly violated that rule. An apology is in order. [Here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/rules.php?) are the rules in case anyone else wants to verify that this is not in them. The board rules are very clear indeed. You’re supposed to read them before you register, dickwad. ---
**Author:** ![WernhamHogg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a587f6/32.png) [@WernhamHogg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WernhamHogg)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2004, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/106 "2004-05-29T03:18:17Z")
I can’t believe anyone would take something from the “Competitive Enterprise Institute” as a valid alternative opinion… did you read about the organization? You do know that they’re nothing but a front for corporate America, right? Her article begins with an extensive ad hominem attack, and continues with the admission that she’s out to prove a conclusion she already has formed, because it’s the opinion she’s paid to have. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2004, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/107 "2004-05-29T03:23:04Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > Cisco and Airmon Doors, the remark was out of bounds here on the SDMB. The board rules are very clear: offensive racial and ethnic remarks simply are not acceptable here, and the remark clearly violated that rule. An apology is in order. Would you mind quoting the remark again, I must have missed it. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Heloise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e36b37/32.png) [@Heloise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heloise)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2004, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/108 "2004-05-29T03:24:13Z")
Well, I already stated my opinion in the original thread, but for the record, I’ll state it here as well. I think it’s tacky, disgusting and has more than a slight touch of racism to it. I would be very disappointed if that phrase came out of any of my friends’ mouths, and I’ve already said as much. I don’t understand black people who don’t take any offense to this, but I won’t knock them for their opinions, either. I just don’t understand it. Also FTR, I’m bi-racial as well. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2004, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/109 "2004-05-29T03:30:15Z")
> [@Heloise](#): > > I don’t understand black people who don’t take any offense to this, but I won’t knock them for their opinions, either. I just don’t understand it. > > Also FTR, I’m bi-racial as well. Because everbody, black people included :rolleyes: , have more important shit to worry about then the slight of the minute. My perception that we, as a society, are increasingly disturbed by all these teapot tempests, is really starting to worry me. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2004, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/110 "2004-05-29T03:42:34Z")
> [@skutir](#): > > I can’t believe anyone would take something from the “Competitive Enterprise Institute” as a valid alternative opinion… did you read about the organization? You do know that they’re nothing but a front for corporate America, right? Her article begins with an extensive ad hominem attack, and continues with the admission that she’s out to prove a conclusion she already has formed, because it’s the opinion she’s paid to have. Yes, she was out to poke holes in Spurlock’s position from Day 1 and that’s exactly what she did. However, her only connection with CEI (to my knowledge) is that they’re hosting her story; they have nothing from her prior to 30 March. What’s the problem? ---
**Author:** ![pizzabrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e9c0ed/32.png) [@pizzabrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pizzabrat)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2004, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/111 "2004-05-29T03:45:14Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > Because everbody, black people included :rolleyes: , have more important shit to worry about then the slight of the minute. My perception that we, as a society, are increasingly disturbed by all these teapot tempests, is really starting to worry me. _You’re_ creating the tempest. You posters like you would have let everyone agree to the obvious, this thread would be dead by now. ---
**Author:** ![WernhamHogg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a587f6/32.png) [@WernhamHogg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WernhamHogg)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2004, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/112 "2004-05-29T04:01:45Z")
> [@Jeff Olsen](#): > > her only connection with CEI (to my knowledge) is that they’re hosting her story; She’s on staff: [http://www.cei.org/dyn/staff\_list.cfm](http://www.cei.org/dyn/staff_list.cfm) She’s paid to come to the conclusions the corporate backers of this “think-tank” tell her to come to. They don’t even present an illusion of objectivity. They admit they began with the conclusion, and set out to prove it, in a fallacious debunking. They say Spurlock’s film is “junk science” (I don’t think it pretends to be science at all), but theirs is junk logic. It doesn’t matter if she lost weight, mostly by simply not eating very much at all, since Spurlock still shows the toxicity and unhealthiness of the crap everyone actually eats at McDonalds. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2004, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/113 "2004-05-29T04:58:05Z")
> [@pizzabrat](#): > > _You’re_ creating the tempest. You posters like you would have let everyone agree to the obvious, this thread would be dead by now. The obvious? The obvious is it’s a silly term for taking shit, let it go and move on with whatever shell of a life you lead. ---
**Author:** ![pizzabrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e9c0ed/32.png) [@pizzabrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pizzabrat)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2004, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/114 "2004-05-29T05:06:49Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > let it go and move on with whatever shell of a life you lead. We’ve all let it go. Is irony your theme for this thread? ---
**Author:** ![Hyperelastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Hyperelastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hyperelastic)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2004, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/115 "2004-05-29T05:28:28Z")
> [@Lord Ashtar](#): > > Okay, I like this one. Would anyone living in Cleveland be offended or insulted in any way if I use it? Your answer will not effect my usage of it, I’m just curious. I grew up in Cleveland and I think it’s hilarious. But talking trash is an integral part of being a sports fan. It’s because sports are fundamentally “just a game” that talking trash is OK. As far as the Cosby joke, I really can’t believe we are debating whether it is all right to post jokes to this board that equate black people with shit. All I can say to the black people in this thread who still think it’s funny…I guess I admire your equanimity. When people use the phrase “white trash”, I tell them to go to hell. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2004, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/116 "2004-05-29T05:33:42Z")
> [@skutir](#): > > She’s on staff: [http://www.cei.org/dyn/staff\_list.cfm](http://www.cei.org/dyn/staff_list.cfm) As an adjunct fellow for the past few months, not permanent staff. > [@](#): > > _She’s paid to come to the conclusions the corporate backers of this “think-tank” tell her to come to._ Got a cite for that? > [@](#): > > _They don’t even present an illusion of objectivity. They admit they began with the conclusion, and set out to prove it, in a fallacious debunking._ And Spurlock claimed he was just doing an experiment. What the hell did he expect by not allowing himself to refuse supersize offers? > [@](#): > > _They say Spurlock’s film is “junk science” (I don’t think it pretends to be science at all), but theirs is junk logic. It doesn’t matter if she lost weight, mostly by simply not eating very much at all_ She tended to avoid fries, big deal. Her point is all it takes is some common sense. > [@](#): > > _Spurlock still shows the toxicity and unhealthiness of the crap everyone actually eats at McDonalds._ Nof if his results were muddled by his body being unable to acclimate itself to a sudden change in diet. You have a problem with Whaley’s possible pro-corporate bias but not Spurlock’s possible pro-vegan bias? Seems odd to me. Neither position would be the best source of information, the _truth_ would have to be somewhere in the middle. ---
**Author:** ![WernhamHogg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a587f6/32.png) [@WernhamHogg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WernhamHogg)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2004, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/117 "2004-05-29T06:36:14Z")
> [@Jeff Olsen](#): > > Got a cite for that? Well, we know Soso is paid because she’s listed as staff. And they say right upfront that they are. See, for instance: [http://www.cei.org/pages/about.cfm](http://www.cei.org/pages/about.cfm). They are corporate lobbyists defending corportate interests. If Soso is a staff member for corporate lobbyist posturing as a research outfit, she’s paid to come to conclusions, not to ask legitimate questions. If you read her Bio, you’ll see she’s a corporate lobbyist and corporate mouthpiece attacking animal rights organizations and other people who challenge the status quo. It must be lucrative. ---
**Author:** ![Mayfield\_St.Cloud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/67e7ee/32.png) [@Mayfield\_St.Cloud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mayfield_St.Cloud)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2004, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/118 "2004-05-29T14:05:23Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > Is this the kind of joke that works by inserting any random celebrity family? “I’m going to drop Buffy and Jody off at the pool”? “I’m going to drop the Partridge kids off at the pool”? Works for me. But, kidding aside, I first heard this joke over 30 years ago, in a very explicit anti-ethnic-group (but not racist) context. So, yeah, the Huxtable reference trips my offense-o-meter. However, as **World Eater** has pointed out several times, it’s hardly worth all this bruhaha. Just my 2 cents. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2004, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/119 "2004-05-29T15:35:00Z")
> [@skutir](#): > > Well, we know Soso is paid because she’s listed as staff. Just because she’s listed as _temporary_ staff doesn’t mean they paid for her report. ---
**Author:** ![Lissa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lissa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissa)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2004, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470/120 "2004-05-29T19:59:23Z")
“Taking the Browns to the Superbowl” > [@Lord Ashtar](#): > > Okay, I like this one. Would anyone living in Cleveland be offended or insulted in any way if I use it? Your answer will not effect my usage of it, I’m just curious. As a Browns fan, I would have to say I do not mind. However, this would likely be referring to a state of constipation since it is physically impossible to take the Browns to the Super Bowl. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-pizzabrat-eat-shit-you-antagonizing-horsefucker/247470.md?page=7)