Well, I certainly thought so, anyway.
I wonder who else has summed up my contributions to the SDMB over the last 2.3 years, in GQ, GD, and elsewhere, and come to the same conclusion - that I have a “God-given talent for being dense”.
The following aside from the fact that you are correctly pointing out that I am arguing with you ad hominem.
Now sir, if you would be so kind to explain what my side is? I have not taken sides in your favorite conflict. I have pointed out a number of times that I do not believe that taking sides on this specific issue is constructive. My arguments against you over the last couple of dozen or so posts where we have exchanged words on the topic Israel, Islam, Arabs, EU and related issues can be summarized as follows:[ol]
Rectification of factual errors on your part
Non acceptance of your repeated use of biased sources such as Op Ed articles and political diatribe as ‘proof’ of a point
Outrage at your intolerance and hatful statements towards specifically Arabs and Europeans
Outrage at your generalizations and blanket statements regarding the same two ‘groupings’
Repeated requests that you come clear and clarify to me and the board what underlying opinion, hence what motive you have for your subtle, but vicious posts versus the same (which you have in as much as that you have admitted to being an anti-Muslim, but as of yet I am still waiting for your stand on us Europeans and the EU)
Understanding of your outrage on behalf of the attacks and suffering that people of your religious background have suffered and still do
One apology for blowing the top at you when you did not do something that was provably a provocation[/ol]I most often cannot even get to the point of debating with you due to the cloak and dagger games you play. I am sure that you followed the debate between me and DSeid in the ‘Arafat’s turning down a peace offer being a western myth’ thread started by Ethic. As you might note in that thread I do actually debate the issue at hand. DSeid points to a factual fallacy in my argument that started with a rather snide retort to you. I conceded DSeid’s point and we go on debating the issue from better grounds. Or follow the debate where I started an argument with sirjamesp regarding the EU in one thread and then toned down our rhetoric to a civilized debate in a new thread more suited. You’ll also find some examples of the opposite in my post count, were I have taken people to town on their bigotry and insulted, mocked and ridiculed them to make my point. Which is that I deplore racism, intolerance, hatred, ignorance and bigotry. As I clarified in your intolerance thread that went so far off the topic due to your intolerant statements re Islam; I see it as a personal duty to debate against and combat intolerance before it takes forms (such as terrorism) that I cannot tolerate. That is my point and nothing else.
Further I have no problem conceding or even officially repenting from a view if someone defeats my point. I hold it a point of honor to do so and I try to live by that humility as well as I can. You have *not * shown that I am in error and as others have pointed out we have collectively done the reverse, while you have refused to either answer or concede
I might be somewhat high tempered and overtly prone to ad hominem attacks even low and base insults here in the Pit, but I have no problem in retaining myself as long as the debate is carried on a factual, sensible and informed level. I am sorry to say, but I see little of those three qualities in most all of your posts.
You might tell me that I won’t change your mind on these topics by taunting, mocking and insulting you. That might very well be, but I and others once in a while manage to provoke you to discard your mask and show your ugly opinions of intolerance and hatred rather than hiding behind the construct of facts that you have adopted as truths. My point in point being your recent admittance to being a convinced anti-Muslim. On the way we might hopefully have managed to demonstrate your errors in fact and rhetoric to other impressionable souls that might stumble on the garbage you post and actually believe it the same way you seem to do.
Sparc
I don’t know. Why don’t you do a search? Considering the length of your prestigious tenure here it ought to keep you busy for quite a while.
What, suddenly hyperbole is outlawed? It’s the Pit, for Chrissake!
You know what I find when I do a Search? A thread where I stuck up for you, a complete and total stranger to me, after you had been BANNED.
I guess you really didn’t give a shit who stuck up for you, and felt like insulting me after that. Going after my post here was fine and all - if I post something assholic or off the cuff, I expect to be called on it. What you said about me personally was wrong, and your continued snipes at me (as above, yet again) and categoric refusal to apologize, after I tried to stand up for you when you were BANNED, is baffling.
No, not baffling. There’s another word I’m searching for…I’m sure it’s not “honorable”.
Remember - you were the one that came out of nowhere not to attack my argument, but to attack me. It’s on the first page of this thread, in case you have forgotten that as well.
Wall to **sparc[/b[
Please, quit beating your head against me. It ain’t gonna help.
In order to avoid further hijacking this thread, Anthracite and anybody else who cares can join me here.
december, sorry to have hijacked.
He’s out. JDM
Dear Wall,
I’d love to stop beating my head against you, but wherever I turn you’re there again.
:THUMP THUMP THUMP THUMP Gawd is my forehead sore!:
Thanks JDM - very interesting:
Any comments, December?
and possibly even more interestingly:
So, they did report the hand-grenade? My.
p.s. since everyone seems to be being all cuddly, I’d like to apologise for the rudeness in my post to Anthracite. Snarky and unnecessary. The point still stands however, but Miller and Pulykamell pretty much said everything I was trying to, only better. And I was completely clear that you were only talking about 9/11, I just assumed that you would in turn assume I was also talking about that alone. Which I think I was.
Note that this quote is from CPJ News Alert. I presume that they are correct that the grenade was reported by Reuters, but opinionjournal.com failed to find the report of the grenade on Reuters’ web site.
Here is an even more blatant example of a Reuters story, which omits crucial information that would be favorable to Israel.
:Sparc stops thumping head on wall:
Wow. That was bad. I had this scary dream that there was this geezer called december. Some unknown power forced me to have these sensless debates with him, like all the time. When he spoke it kind of gave me the same chills as when I leave the house without my wooly sweater on in the month with same name. Because you see, no matter what you said to him he answered to something completely different, but close enough for you to get really frustrated by almost getting an answer and then… nah, no answer. To boot every progressive answer was more absurdly offensive than the next. It felt almost like being trapped in that British TV series, what’s it called again… the one with the golf carts and trapping bubbles… The Operative I think it was. Ehhh… never mind…
What was it that I was doing?
:Sparc looks around in bewilderment:
What am I doing here by the way? Jeez I must have been sleepwalking or something.
december. Why does that sound like a person? Who’s december? I don’t know anyone by that name.
Sheesh, I’m glad that’s over.
Bye, bye, see you later boys and girls.
:Sparc leaves the room:
:Sparc stops thumping head on wall:
Wow. That was bad. I had this scary dream that there was this geezer called december. Some unknown power forced me to have these sensless debates with him, like all the time. When he spoke it kind of gave me the same chills as when I leave the house without my wooly sweater on in the month with same name. Because you see, no matter what you said to him he answered to something completely different, but close enough for you to get really frustrated by almost getting an answer and then… nah, no answer. To boot every progressive answer was more absurdly offensive than the next. It felt almost like being trapped in that British TV series, what’s it called again… the one with the golf carts and trapping bubbles… The Operative I think it was. Ehhh… never mind…
What was it that I was doing?
:Sparc looks around in bewilderment:
What am I doing here by the way? Jeez I must have been sleepwalking or something.
december. Why does that sound like a person? Who’s december? I don’t know anyone by that name.
Sheesh, I’m glad that’s over.
Bye, bye, see you later boys and girls.
:Sparc leaves the room:
Sparc, that was a very poetic way of admitting that the above Reuters article is so clearly biased against Israel that no refutation is possible.
Now just a minute here, december. The original accusation that you blamed Reuters for not reporting evaporated five days later in the release without indictment of the arrested photographer. So now you’re blaming Reuters for not reporting similar accusations about a different incident? Judging by the way your previous story fizzled, it’ll probably turn out that this “armed Arab infiltrator” was actually a kid with firecrackers (actually, probably not, but it’s clear that both sides make up accusations as it suits them, with little concern for truth).
I think that in such a snake pit of war zone propaganda, minimal reporting that sticks as closely as possible to the solidest possible core of undisputed facts is evidence not of anti-Israel bias but of plain journalistic common sense. And complaining about the use of the standard term “settlements” as an example of “clear bias”? Oh, please. :rolleyes:
Kimstu, this thread was about Reuters, rather than the Palestinians and Israelis (which is what I assume you meant by “both sides.”) I will go one post into hijackville, and then it’s The Pit.
The Palestinians do indeed make up accusations with little concern for the truth, such as the recent non-existant Jenin massacre. The Israelis do not.
OTOH you have just made up an accusation against Israel, which is false. You cannot support it. Please withdraw it.
Oh, man. I wish I didn’t have to log off now…
Kimstu, I’m looking forward to your reply.
[Joseph Welch mask on]
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december . You have, once again, posted a complaint, wrapped up in a story. Your original story got shot down. It evidently didn’t happen the way you and the Israelis said it did.
But did you ever come back an apologize for your stupidly wrong OP? No! Of course not. You simply lurched into the next diatribe.
You, sir, have been exposed as a dupe! You are duped daily by opinion pieces which purport to be facts. You are not interested in finding out if the opinions are right or wrong, black or white. You simply dupe your way through life, letting others do your thinking for you. Too bad. You are actually not the worst of a bad lot here. (I don’t believe I added that last sentence):eek:
This article is an excellent example of the horrible bias being shown by Reuters.
Take special note of the paragraph which states:
I don’t recall a more blatant example of one-sided reporting. Those anti-semitic bastards.