# Hey Stoneburg, you gutless, lying pusbag... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 15, 2003, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076 "2003-12-15T06:27:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![yguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/eb9ed0/32.png) [@yguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yguy)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/1 "2003-12-15T06:27:20Z")
You posted [this:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=4351817#post4351817) \*Aha, so my suspicion was correct. I can summarise your beliefs for you yguy, and by doing so I think it is obvious why you prefer not to state them: You’re anti-abortion on religious grounds. You’re a creationist. You’re anti-gay on religious grounds. From the beginning you have misrepresented your case. \* You are more than welcome to make an idiot of yourself in a vain attempt to substantiate the above, you lamentable paragon of poltroonery. 🙂 _You care not about science other then to use the standard creationist tactics to miscredit it. Those attacks are based on flaws in your system of belief by the way, not science. So, please, stop trying to justify your opinions with nonsense and just say what you mean: “Abortion is wrong, being gay is a sin, the earth was created 5800 years ago. I know this because it says so in the bible and I have a gut feeling it is true.”_ LOL!! 😃 😃 What a moron. And here I was thiking this place would be devoid of entertainment value. 🙂 Kindly substantiate your claim that I am “anti-abortion and anti-gay on religious grounds”, that I “have misrepresented my case”, that I believe “the Earth was created 5000 years ago”, and that I believe all this “because it says so in the bible and I have a gut feeling it is true”… …or stand exposed as the craven, prevaricating scoundrel you are. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ice\_Wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@Ice\_Wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Wolf)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/2 "2003-12-15T06:41:50Z")
Hey, **yguy** , could you use the quote coding in your posts when quoting other posters? It makes things easier to follow. Ta. ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/3 "2003-12-15T06:54:39Z")
My impression is that **Stoneburg** identified **yguy** ’s stripes pretty accurately. ---
**Author:** ![Stoneburg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@Stoneburg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoneburg)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 9:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/4 "2003-12-15T09:02:34Z")
Hello. So, I stated that my conclusion was that: You’re anti-abortion on religious grounds. You’re a creationist. You’re anti-gay on religious grounds. Let’s see if I interpret this quote from you right: > [@](#): > > _yguy_ > You are more than welcome to make an idiot of yourself in a vain attempt to substantiate the above, you lamentable paragon of poltroonery. I am not familliar with some of the phrases, like “lamentable paragon” or ‘poltroonery’ (even though I note that simmilar patterns emerge in your posts when you start to lose the argument more obviously), but I am assuming that what you really just want is for me to back up what I said. Let’s first establish the “religious” grounds. You refer on multiple occasions in your post to a ‘Creator’, and claim that the ‘soul’ decides what is moral. Throughout the thread this seems to be where your views on abortion stem from so I will just assume that you won’t argue that A) You’re against abortion, and B) It is because of religious beliefs. That leaves creationism and negativity towards homosexuality. **Creationism** > [@](#): > > _yguy_ > Yes, this is the familiar logical consequence of the evloutionist view. Likewise you will not be surprised that I find that view preposterous I am not familliar with any other view that contradicts the theory of evolution, other then creationism. I therefore assume that anyone not believing in evolution is a creationist. The standard belief in creationism is based on a calculation of the generations in the bible which results in the earth being aproximately 5800 years old (and created on 13:th November at around 14:00 I think). Of course, you not believing in evolution does not equal you being a creationist, it is just by far the most common thing. I asked you to clarify what you believed in, you didn’t, your response to that was simply “Why?”. **Homosexuality** > [@](#): > > _yguy_ > I’m gonna take a wild guess and say you see nothing wrong with homosexuality either. This is an example of your power of complex logical thought taking you away from the obvious truth, IMO. Do I need to explain this? I’m not exactly sure what a “craven, prevaricating scoundrel” is, but I doubt I am or will be exposed as one (unless it contradictory to my assumption means really cute and nice guy). I mentioned in one of my posts a list submitted by someone on this board that had 6 points if I recall correctly, about how creationists behave when they come here. I distinctly recall this (ie: this thread and its intent) being one of the points near the end. I’m actually going to be so smug as to pat myself on the back and claim that by reacting as you have, you have pretty much proven me right. And the insults hurt. Yes, I am gutless (but how did YOU know that, you don’t even know me!), but I only lie in extremely rare cases and usually only to my mother. Pusbag? Don’t even know what that is so I’ll just assume I am not. However, am I to assume that you have passed the point where you can (almost) argue rationally and we are to witness the final “Go down in flames” spectacle that tends to be the swan song of your ilk? To everyone else: Sorry about casuing a thread in the Pit. I was careful to read the user agreement when I signed up and had every intention to stay out of trouble, I now feel embarrased to have ended up as a ‘cause’ of a Pitting (even though I believe it is unjustified). I apologise for the disturbance and added sum total of grief on the forum. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/5 "2003-12-15T09:16:13Z")
Well, that clears it up for me. Nice work, **Stoneburg**. BTW: if this is representative of your posting style, you are neither a pusbag nor gutless. And you get extra points for politeness. Postulations of prevarication are pointedly premature. ---
**Author:** ![Ms2001](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ms2001/32/18463_2.png) [@Ms2001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms2001)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/6 "2003-12-15T11:08:54Z")
Wow. I knew that GD thread was going to lead to a Pitting, but I assumed **yguy** would be on the _receiving_ end. It’s not too late to turn this one around, is it? ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/7 "2003-12-15T13:23:29Z")
I think **lamentable paragon of poltroonery** would make a great name for a jam band. ---
**Author:** ![London\_Calling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@London\_Calling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/London_Calling)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/8 "2003-12-15T13:33:42Z")
\<80s non-groover checking in\> Papa’s Got A Brand New Pusbag . . . yeah, yeah, yeah, baby, shake it, shake it ! \ ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/9 "2003-12-15T13:37:29Z")
It looks like we have a great new addition to the boards. And it ain’t the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/10 "2003-12-15T15:05:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Stoneburg \* > \*\*but I only lie in extremely rare cases and usually only to my mother. \*\* You lie to your mother? What a terrible, evil son you are. After all the pain she went through to give birth to you and raise you! 😃 Welcome to the boards, **Stoneburg**. I think you’ll like it here. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/11 "2003-12-15T16:29:20Z")
You have nothing to apologize for, **Stoneburg**. You acquitted your call to the pit with a decisive rebuttal of the charges, with wit and with humility. Wecome to the boards. ---
**Author:** ![ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c77e96/32.png) [@ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ed)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/12 "2003-12-15T16:59:33Z")
…er, _CoFR_ Stoneburg? If so, small world. ---
**Author:** ![Stonebow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Stonebow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stonebow)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/13 "2003-12-15T17:06:18Z")
_sigh_ and here I got all excited… _returns to corner and waits patiently to be pitted_ ---
**Author:** ![carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrot)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/14 "2003-12-15T17:29:12Z")
**Stonebow** , if I promise to pit you, will you promise not to make me look like an absolute tool, the way **Stoneburg** has done to **yguy**? ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/15 "2003-12-15T17:32:08Z")
HAW, HAW, HAW! ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/16 "2003-12-15T17:32:19Z")
So, who wants to bet this thread isn’t going the way the OP thought it would? **yguy** , if you claim that **stoneburg** is lying then perhaps you would care to refute his claims, rather than calling him names? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/17 "2003-12-15T17:37:16Z")
**stoneburg** , that is the most polite evisceration of an OP I have ever had the pleasure of seeing on these boards. Although I’m two months late, welcome! And I _do_ mean evisceration: given the OP’s current failure to show back up to his (?) thread and his previous failure to detail his views, his accusing you of gutlessness is ironic, in the most Alanis Morisette meaning of the word. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/18 "2003-12-15T17:44:24Z")
Somebody accuse me of being a left-wing Bush hater so I can pit them. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![yguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/eb9ed0/32.png) [@yguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yguy)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/19 "2003-12-15T17:50:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Stoneburg \* > Let’s first establish the “religious” grounds. You refer on multiple occasions in your post to a ‘Creator’, and claim that the ‘soul’ decides what is moral. The soul does not _decide_ what is moral, it _discerns_ it. > [@](#): > > Throughout the thread this seems to be where your views on abortion stem from There’s the problem. You cannot observe that I am against abortion, and that I have “religious beliefs”, and proceed to assume that the first is based on the second without more justification than you have shown. > [@](#): > > so I will just assume that you won’t argue that A) You’re against abortion, and B) It is because of religious beliefs. Not doing very well so far, are you? > [@](#): > > That leaves creationism and negativity towards homosexuality. > > **Creationism** > > I am not familliar with any other view that contradicts the theory of evolution, other then creationism. I therefore assume that anyone not believing in evolution is a creationist. The standard belief in creationism is based on a calculation of the generations in the bible which results in the earth being aproximately 5800 years old (and created on 13:th November at around 14:00 I think). > > Of course, you not believing in evolution does not equal you being a creationist, it is just by far the most common thing. I asked you to clarify what you believed in, you didn’t, your response to that was simply “Why?”. And you figured that, in the absence of a substantive answer, it made sense to jump to a conclusion which fit comfortably with your prejudices. Brilliant. > [@](#): > > **Homosexuality** > > Do I need to explain this? I rather believe so. Again, when you claim my opposition to homosexuality is based on my “religious beliefs”, you have drawn an inference that cannot be supported by the facts at your disposal. > [@](#): > > I’m actually going to be so smug as to pat myself on the back and claim that by reacting as you have, you have pretty much proven me right. Keep thinkin’ happy thoughts, weasel. Can’t hurt me. 🙂 > [@](#): > > And the insults hurt. Good. That is rather what I had in mind. I take great umbrage to the accusation that I do not argue my position in good faith. > [@](#): > > However, am I to assume that you have passed the point where you can (almost) argue rationally and we are to witness the final “Go down in flames” spectacle that tends to be the swan song of your ilk? Please. This thread will go 500 pages before I break a sweat. 🙂 Finally, let me remind you that you have failed to address your contentions that I have “misrepresented my position” and that I believe all this “because it says so in the bible and I have a gut feeling it is true”… ---
**Author:** ![yguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/eb9ed0/32.png) [@yguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yguy)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/20 "2003-12-15T17:55:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mr2001 \* > \*\*Wow. I knew that GD thread was going to lead to a Pitting, but I assumed **yguy** would be on the _receiving_ end. > > It’s not too late to turn this one around, is it? \*\* Bring it on, bitch. 🙂 [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076.md?page=2)