# Hey Stoneburg, you gutless, lying pusbag... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 15, 2003, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076 "2003-12-15T06:27:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/21 "2003-12-15T17:59:19Z")
**yguy** , you’re totally unconvincing. Stop fucking around and give honest answers to the following questions, if you have any respect at all for the ninth commandment: 1. Are you religious? 2. What do you believe most accurately describes the origin of life AND the theory that species may emerge through evolution? 3. What are your beliefs on homosexuality, and does your religion influence these beliefs at all? 4. What are your beliefs on abortion, and does your religion influence these beliefs at all? Keep in mind, please that the ninth commandment (or the eighth, if you’re Catholic) states, “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.” If you follow the god of the old testament, then by pitting **stoneburg** you’re breaking one of your Lord’s commandments. In that case, it’s time to repent. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![SentientMeat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@SentientMeat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SentientMeat)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/22 "2003-12-15T17:59:50Z")
**yguy** , please state your position on each of those three issues clearly and succinctly. If you believe evolution is preposterous, you are an idiot. Idiots believe that the Earth is thousands of years old. If **Stoneburg** needs to be set straight, it is only in exactly _which kind_ of idiot you are. If you are anti-abortion, you are not necessarily an idiot. But if your morality is based strongly on your religion, then if you quibble over being described by the phrase “you are anti-abortionist on religious grounds”, you _are_ an idiot. Your quote on homosexuality is paraphrased thus: “The obvious truth is that there is something wrong with homosexuality”. Guess what this means. **Stoneburg** has emerged here with all of his (?) dignity intact, and has gained my utter respect for his patience and good grace. You, on the other hand, must state your position clearly and succinctly if you wish to have any hope of escaping the label “idiot”. ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/23 "2003-12-15T18:02:33Z")
Can I draw an inference that can be supported by the facts at my disposal? You’re an asswipe. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/24 "2003-12-15T18:03:25Z")
**yguy** : Are you a fucking creationsit or aren’t you? If you don’t accept evolution (which is ignorant all by itself), what _do_ you believe. It seems like a perfectly reasonable assertion to assume that if some jack-off constantly pops off about “God” and “souls” while denying evolution and espousing an “opposition to homosexuality” that said jack-off probably derives his moronic opinions from his religion. So why _are_ you “opposed” to homosexuality if not for religious reasons? What is the “obvious truth” about homosexuality you alluded to in the GD thread? If you base your opposition to abortion on any presumption of a “soul” then you are indeed basing it on a religious belief. I would also like to add that “oppsition to homosexuality” is _per se_ a dipshit point of view regardless of the reason. ---
**Author:** ![Monster104](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Monster104](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monster104)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/25 "2003-12-15T18:10:23Z")
> [@](#): > > Please. This thread will go 500 pages before I break a sweat. Great. A brick wall creationist. It’s always a pleasure having another dunderhead around these parts… ---
**Author:** ![yguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/eb9ed0/32.png) [@yguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yguy)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/26 "2003-12-15T18:12:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Left Hand of Dorkness \* > **yguy** , you’re totally unconvincing. Sorry. 🙂 > [@](#): > > Stop fucking around and give honest answers to the following questions, I’m under no obligation to answer any questions. Stoneburg jumped to his idiotic conclusions of his own free will. Let him substantiate them. > [@](#): > > Keep in mind, please that the ninth commandment (or the eighth, if you’re Catholic) states, “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.” If you follow the god of the old testament, then by pitting **stoneburg** you’re breaking one of your Lord’s commandments. I fail to see the connection. How exactly is pitting him equivalent to bearing false witness? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/27 "2003-12-15T18:16:59Z")
**yguy** , if you’re unwilling to state your beliefs, you’re a craven coward. You’ve certainly implied here that **stoneburg’s** guesses were wrong; either put up or shut up. If all you want to do is imply that he doesn’t have sufficient evidence to make his claims, why, I guess he’s just a telepath who can read your mind (such as it is) like a book. Your false witness comes in when you imply that he’s lying about your position. That itself is bearing false witness; Jesus is ashamed of you. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/28 "2003-12-15T18:17:20Z")
> [@](#): > > I’m under no obligation to answer any questions. Stoneburg jumped to his idiotic conclusions of his own free will. Let him substantiate them. He DID substantiate them, numbnuts. The ball is _your_ court now. If you’re not going to explain why his conclusions are false then this thread is only going to get worse for you. ---
**Author:** ![SentientMeat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@SentientMeat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SentientMeat)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/29 "2003-12-15T18:18:04Z")
> [@](#): > > I’m under no obligation to answer any questions. I contend that it is reasonable to infer, based on your own words, that the three statements in the OP describe you accurately. Rebut me. ---
**Author:** ![carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrot)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/30 "2003-12-15T18:19:05Z")
You know, after some reflection, I’m not sure **yguy** needs much help in looking like an absolute tool. ---
**Author:** ![carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrot)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/31 "2003-12-15T18:25:21Z")
Although, let me hasten to add, that was quite well done, **Stoneburg**. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/32 "2003-12-15T18:25:59Z")
One more thing; **Stoneburg** framed his conclusions in such a way that he was asking you to refute them. He was essentially stating “this is the impression I get, am I right.” I think that he showed that his reasoning was sound in making his assumptions and he was basically inviting you to correct him if he was wrong. You have refused either to correct him or to affirm him in his conclusions so your own accusations simply have no weight behind them. You’re losing this fight, in case you haven’t noticed. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Great\_Unwashed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_great_unwashed/32/4791_2.png) [@The\_Great\_Unwashed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Great_Unwashed)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/33 "2003-12-15T18:28:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by yguy \* > \*\*I’m under no obligation to answer any questions. Stoneburg jumped to his idiotic conclusions of his own free will. Let him substantiate them. > \*\* You pusillanimous worm – no one is saying you have any _obligation_ to do anything, but if you’ve been somehow mischaracterised then that was your opportunity to put that right. You’re failure to do so speaks volumes. ---
**Author:** ![Gadfly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/aeb1de/32.png) [@Gadfly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadfly)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/34 "2003-12-15T18:29:29Z")
Welcome to the board, Stoneburg. Yguy, go get impaled on a tuna. ---
**Author:** ![yguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/eb9ed0/32.png) [@yguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yguy)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/35 "2003-12-15T18:34:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Left Hand of Dorkness \* > **yguy** , if you’re unwilling to state your beliefs, you’re a craven coward. Oh, but I have, in part. Likely more will emerge in due time. Who gets to decide when that is? Why me, that’s who. 🙂 > [@](#): > > You’ve certainly implied here that **stoneburg’s** guesses were wrong; either put up or shut up. Thank you for your admission that he didn’t know what the hell he was talking about. > [@](#): > > If all you want to do is imply that he doesn’t have sufficient evidence to make his claims, why, I guess he’s just a telepath who can read your mind (such as it is) like a book. That is certainly one possibility, from your perspective. However, I happen to know that he’s lying, seeing how I am the formost authority on my beliefs. > [@](#): > > Your false witness comes in when you imply that he’s lying about your position. It’s only false witness if I’m lying, right? Well, I’m not, so there’s no problem. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Early\_Out](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Early\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Early_Out)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/36 "2003-12-15T18:40:16Z")
And to think that some of you thought that sophistry had no place on these boards! ---
**Author:** ![yguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/eb9ed0/32.png) [@yguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yguy)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/37 "2003-12-15T18:40:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Diogenes the Cynic \* > One more thing; **Stoneburg** framed his conclusions in such a way that he was asking you to refute them. He was essentially stating “this is the impression I get, am I right.” In his first post to me, that is indeed what he did. There was no such questioning in the one that provoked this thread. He pointedly accused me of misrepresenting my position, and he’s a liar. > [@](#): > > I think that he showed that his reasoning was sound in making his assumptions and he was basically inviting you to correct him if he was wrong. That is certainly not evident in his second post. > [@](#): > > You have refused either to correct him or to affirm him in his conclusions so your own accusations simply have no weight behind them. You’re losing this fight, in case you haven’t noticed. Don’t be silly. I _never_ lose. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![yguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/eb9ed0/32.png) [@yguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yguy)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/38 "2003-12-15T18:43:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Diogenes the Cynic \* > \*\*He DID substantiate them, numbnuts. \*\* He didn’t even come close, especially when he said I “misrepresented my position”. ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/39 "2003-12-15T18:47:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by yguy \* > **I’m under no obligation to answer any questions.** And I’m under no obligation to leave this thread open, should you keep this dumb game up. Your call. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/40 "2003-12-15T18:48:18Z")
> [@](#): > > **yguy** : This thread will go 500 pages before I break a sweat. Maybe so, if you continue to avoid putting the slightest effort into actually _arguing_ your point of view. Of course, the rest of us are going to have to find something interesting to talk about, if this thread is expected to have a second page in it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076.md?page=3)