# Hey Stoneburg, you gutless, lying pusbag... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 15, 2003, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076 "2003-12-15T06:27:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Cerowyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/82dd89/32.png) [@Cerowyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cerowyn)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/61 "2003-12-15T20:17:01Z")
Glad to have you aboard, **Stoneburg**. It’s sort of inevitable that when you’re fighting ignorance at its worst, you will hear the sort of laughable drivel that **yguy** is spewing. Keep up the good fight, and don’t let the troglodytes drag you down. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/62 "2003-12-15T20:18:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by yguy \* > \*\*It’s a sexual perversion, of course. \*\* Yay, we have an answer! A seemingly bigoted one, but at least it’s there. So expand please: perversion by what or whose definition? Evolutionary? God stuff? One down, two to go. ---
**Author:** ![carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrot)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/63 "2003-12-15T20:20:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jjimm \* > \*\*Yay, we have an answer! A seemingly bigoted one, but at least it’s there. > > So expand please: perversion by what or whose definition? Evolutionary? God stuff? > > One down, two to go. \*\* I’m sorry, **jjimm**. But you seem to have misunderstood. It’s just **obvious** that it’s a sexual perversion. And that obvious-ity is supported, somehow, by a quote from Frank Herbert. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/64 "2003-12-15T20:24:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by yguy \* > \*\*It’s a sexual perversion, of course. \*\* After all that tapdancing around, this is the best you got? Geez, even **His4Ever** was more interesting than this. ---
**Author:** ![yguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/eb9ed0/32.png) [@yguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yguy)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/65 "2003-12-15T20:27:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jjimm \* > \*\*Yay, we have an answer! A seemingly bigoted one, but at least it’s there. > > So expand please: perversion by what or whose definition? \*\* The question is meaningless, since children, at least if they haven’t been abused, know it’s a perversion before they ever learn the definition of the word, just like they know it’s wrong to kill their siblings. Whatever tells them the second tells them the first. ---
**Author:** ![carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrot)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/66 "2003-12-15T20:29:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by yguy \* > **The question is meaningless, since children, at least if they haven’t been abused, know it’s a perversion before they ever learn the definition of the word, just like they know it’s wrong to kill their siblings.** Cite, please. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/67 "2003-12-15T20:31:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by yguy \* > \*\*The question is meaningless, since children, at least if they haven’t been abused, know it’s a perversion before they ever learn the definition of the word, just like they know it’s wrong to kill their siblings. Whatever tells them the second tells them the first. \*\* What do children have to do with the matter? That’s pedophilia, a completely different matter. What about homosexual relationshisp between consenting adults? Still a perversion? Why? I can name many Dopers here, including me, who can testify that homosex feel normals in a way that heterosex does not. ---
**Author:** ![Palo\_Verde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/65b543/32.png) [@Palo\_Verde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palo_Verde)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/68 "2003-12-15T20:32:39Z")
Hmmm… my 4 and 6 year old children (who have never been abused) don’t think so. They learned that sometimes men and women fall in love, and sometimes men and men do, and sometimes women and women do. They don’t think it’s strange, complicated, unusual, gross or anything. And they think it’s wrong to kill a _spider_, let alone a sibling! ---
**Author:** ![yguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/eb9ed0/32.png) [@yguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yguy)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/69 "2003-12-15T20:32:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by carrot \* > \*\*Cite, please. \*\* Please. I don’t work that way, for the most part. If you can look within and not see the truth of what I’m saying, then don’t believe it. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/70 "2003-12-15T20:33:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by yguy \* > \*\*The question is meaningless, since children, at least if they haven’t been abused, know it’s a perversion before they ever learn the definition of the word, just like they know it’s wrong to kill their siblings. Whatever tells them the second tells them the first. \*\* That’s interesting. When I discovered masturbation as a child I thought it was pretty damn perverted and was pretty sure it was as wrong as killing my brother. So, is masturbating a sexual perversion too? ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/71 "2003-12-15T20:33:17Z")
**Yguy** is pulling the old not answer any questions because as soon as he does we’ll slice them up to ribbons trick. A miserable failure you are. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/72 "2003-12-15T20:36:08Z")
> [@](#): > > Please. I don’t work that way, for the most part. If you can look within and not see the truth of what I’m saying, then don’t believe it. If you cannot back up your assertion with supporting evidence, then you’re really not making an argument, but just airing your bigotry. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/73 "2003-12-15T20:37:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by yguy \* > **Please. I don’t work that way, for the most part.** _You_ may not, but this board does. > [@](#): > > \*\* If you can look within and not see the truth of what I’m saying, then don’t believe it. \*\* So what you’re saying is that this is “obvious” only to… you (and people who share your unfortunate worldview). Well, how can anyone argue with that? “It’s right because I say it is, and if you don’t agree with me, then you’re just wrong.” (Puts fingers in ears and goes “nya nya can’t hear you”.) That’s about it, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrot)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/74 "2003-12-15T20:37:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by yguy \* > \*\*Please. I don’t work that way, for the most part. If you can look within and not see the truth of what I’m saying, then don’t believe it. \*\* I’m tired of this shit. You claim that children “know [homosexuality] is a perversion”. You back it up, or fucking withdraw it. ---
**Author:** ![MrVisible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@MrVisible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrVisible)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/75 "2003-12-15T20:38:38Z")
I should have known. **yguy** has the morality of a child. And the intelligence, besides. ---
**Author:** ![yguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/eb9ed0/32.png) [@yguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yguy)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/76 "2003-12-15T20:40:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > What do children have to do with the matter? That’s pedophilia, a completely different matter. You missed the point. Children have not yet developed the ability to rationalize, and so are more prone to see wrong as wrong, even if they don’t act according to that insight. I’m thinking of a child who witnesses a homosexual act, not one who is party to it. > [@](#): > > What about homosexual relationshisp between consenting adults? Still a perversion? Why? I can name many Dopers here, including me, who can testify that homosex feel normals in a way that heterosex does not. I would venture to say that most sex is perverted - and most eating, and most television watching…IOW, we’re all perverts. It’s not a reason to empower thought police or lynch people, but neither should perversion be seen as anything but what it is. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/77 "2003-12-15T20:42:32Z")
> [@](#): > > I would venture to say that most sex is perverted - and most eating, and most television watching…IOW, we’re all perverts. It’s not a reason to empower thought police or lynch people, but neither should perversion be seen as anything but what it is. What the diddly? If “IOW we’re all perverts,” by what standard are you making this judgment? ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/78 "2003-12-15T20:43:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by yguy \* > \*\*Please. I don’t work that way, for the most part. If you can look within and not see the truth of what I’m saying, then don’t believe it. \*\* Oh joy. A new “my post is my cite” member of the board. My cup runneth over. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![yguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/eb9ed0/32.png) [@yguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yguy)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/79 "2003-12-15T20:43:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jjimm \* > _You_ may not, but this board does. There is some rule that provides that I must provide a cite for every claim? > [@](#): > > So what you’re saying is that this is “obvious” only to… you (and people who share your unfortunate worldview). Don’t be an idiot. You think there arent atheists who believe homosexuality? I know there are, because I spent hours arguing with one years ago - but not about homosexuality, because we agreed on that. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/80 "2003-12-15T20:43:58Z")
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