# Hey Stoneburg, you gutless, lying pusbag... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 15, 2003, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076 "2003-12-15T06:27:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Swampwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8edcca/32.png) [@Swampwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swampwolf)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/101 "2003-12-15T21:22:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by NurseCarmen \* > \*\*Give us some insight, what exactly did you argue about? \*\* Ha! He doesn’t need to tell _us!_ All we really need to know is that he argued. He must’ve, right? 'Cos he said so. I mean, it’s like, _obvious,_ duh! And he won that argument, hands down. Q.E.D.\* [sub] not **Q.E.D.,** the poster, but…oh, fuck it. You know what I mean.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![yguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/eb9ed0/32.png) [@yguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yguy)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/102 "2003-12-15T21:32:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Doebi \* > \*\*Children also know that it’s ok to play in the street, throw things a puppies, call each other names and that the world revolves around them. > \*\* They don’t _know_ that, they _think_ that, because their selfish egos incline them to do so. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/103 "2003-12-15T21:34:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by yguy \* > \*\*This presumes, of course, that my audience has the desire to understand my reasoning. Some here obviously don’t, for whatever reason. \*\* It would really help if you expressed your reasoning in ways that are backed up with fact, rather than unfounded supposition. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/104 "2003-12-15T21:40:15Z")
**yguy** , I’m still waiting to get some non-perverted lunch and watch non-perverted TV. Please advise. ---
**Author:** ![yguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/eb9ed0/32.png) [@yguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yguy)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/105 "2003-12-15T21:47:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by CrazyCatLady \* > Well, actually, **Stoneburg** hasn’t misrepresented you at all. When you first entered the thread you linked, you implied that you were working from a strictly logical, scientific standpoint. Then you started in on all this morality stuff about the Creator, and blah-de-blah-de-blah about what you “just know”. Yes, but what we’re looking for is evidence that “all this morality stuff”, etc. is the _basis_ for my statements. Kindly provide it. > [@](#): > > So you misrepresented yourself, and he called you on it. He’s not done anything but humor you and your third-grade debating style. He’s a liar. > [@](#): > > And yes, dear, when you lay something out as fact, you have to be prepared to substantiate it if someone doesn’t believe you. It’s no crime to have an opinion, but representing your opinion as fact will generally end in you getting your ass handed to you on a plate in pretty short order around here. Hey - I haven’t the slightest problem taking criticism or insults. I just don’t like liars. > [@](#): > > That’s just how a place devoted to fighting ignorance works. Too bad you guys aren’t willing to look at your own. You mostly think you know why you believe whatever you believe, and you don’t. Not knowing isn’t so much the problem - _thinking_ you know is. > [@](#): > > Do yourself and everyone else a favor and get off your little “I’ll tell you what I want to tell you when I want to tell you” power trip. I believe by now I’ve pretty well covered everything to the extent needed to refute Stoneberg’s claim as to my position, as one poster has already acknowledged, if I’m not mistaken. The “idiocy” of my beliefs is irrelevant to that. But if I missed anything, let me know. > [@](#): > > Very few people are going to wade through pages of your obfuscations and outright bullshit to find out what you think. Don’t see why not, considering they’ve been perfectly willing to make up answers they think I’d give to questions addressed to me. 🙂 > [@](#): > > To put it in terms you can truly understand, my gut tells me you’re a moronic troll who thinks he’s a brilliant debater. That’s my opinion, and until I see some evidence in the form of substantive posts, I’m sticking to it. Fair enough. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Man\_With\_The\_Golden\_Gun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dc4da7/32.png) [@The\_Man\_With\_The\_Golden\_Gun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Man_With_The_Golden_Gun)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/106 "2003-12-15T21:52:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by yguy \* > \*\*They don’t _know_ that, they _think_ that, because their selfish egos incline them to do so. \*\* Then how do we know that their “selfish egos” don’t incline them to think homosexuality is wrong, O Wise One? ---
**Author:** ![Ms2001](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ms2001/32/18463_2.png) [@Ms2001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms2001)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/107 "2003-12-15T21:53:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Phlosphr \* > **Part of this guy’s posts really sadden me. If you think about it, imagine he really is 13 and doesn’t know what he is saying, or doesn’t know how to answer, so he gives the answers we are reading.** Ah, of course! How else would he know so much about what children “really” think? But come on, I think 13 year olds have enough of a bad reputation already. We don’t need to make it worse by comparing them to folks like **yguy**. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by yguy_ > **They don’t know that, they think that, because their selfish egos incline them to do so.** Please explain how you know the difference between what children “know” and what children “think”. (This ought to be good.) It seems awfully convenient that the “knowledge” that you claim springs forth from every child’s internal fount of wisdom just happens to agree with your unsubstantiated opinions, while the children’s beliefs you don’t share are mere figments of their selfish egos. ---
**Author:** ![yguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/eb9ed0/32.png) [@yguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yguy)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/108 "2003-12-15T22:06:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mr2001 \* > Please explain how you know the difference between what children “know” and what children “think”. (This ought to be good.) I remember being one. How about you? I knew when I was being treated unjustly, such as being blamed for something I didn’t do, and I know when I _thought_ I was being treated unjustly, such as when I was told to take out the trash or whatever. Didn’t you? ---
**Author:** ![yguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/eb9ed0/32.png) [@yguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yguy)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/109 "2003-12-15T22:14:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by NurseCarmen \* > \*\*Give us some insight, what exactly did you argue about? \*\* The existence of God, the Masturbator-in-Ch… I mean, Clinton… Probably more. Been awhile. It was a riot. Tables were pounded on, and eardrums were shattered - but we always parted friends. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Palo\_Verde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/65b543/32.png) [@Palo\_Verde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palo_Verde)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/110 "2003-12-15T22:17:16Z")
I’m still waiting for a single shred of evidence that children **do** think that homosexuality is wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Early\_Out](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Early\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Early_Out)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/111 "2003-12-15T22:20:04Z")
Christmas vacation, every year, like clockwork… ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/112 "2003-12-15T22:26:08Z")
I certainly didn’t think homosexuality was wrong, as far back as I can remember. ---
**Author:** ![yguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/eb9ed0/32.png) [@yguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yguy)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/113 "2003-12-15T22:26:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by autz \* > I’m still waiting for a single shred of evidence that children **do** think that homosexuality is wrong. They don’t think it, they know it. Until the question comes before them that knowledge lies dormant. ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/114 "2003-12-15T22:28:13Z")
> [@](#): > > Not knowing isn’t so much the problem - thinking you know is. This is exactly the problem we have with you dickhead. You clearly think you are right even though you aren’t willing to support your reasoning. Just because you remember your childhood doesn’t make you an expert. I remember being a child, and I didn’t have the fucked up worldview you have. Google “childs views on sexuality” if you want to read up on what some people with “PhD” “MD” and other such letters at the end of their names seem to think about the forming of opinions of sexuality. Maybe if you educate yourself a little bit, you’ll realize that your just another asshole and maybe you’ll find the spine to go punch whatever troglodytes raised you, for it’s clear that they failed in a vital part of their parenting. ---
**Author:** ![Palo\_Verde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/65b543/32.png) [@Palo\_Verde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palo_Verde)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/115 "2003-12-15T22:29:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by yguy \* > \*\*They don’t think it, they know it. Until the question comes before them that knowledge lies dormant. \*\* Again, I’ll ask for a single shred of evidence to back this up? Any, any at all? ---
**Author:** ![carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrot)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/116 "2003-12-15T22:30:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by yguy \* > \*\*I remember being one. How about you? > \*\* Don’t see why you shouldn’t. Can’t have been that long ago. > [@](#): > > **I knew when I was being treated unjustly, such as being blamed for something I didn’t do, and I know when I _thought_ I was being treated unjustly, such as when I was told to take out the trash or whatever.** You know now, or you knew then? And what does any of this have to do with knowing homosexuality is wrong? > [@](#): > > **They don’t think it, they know it. Until the question comes before them that knowledge lies dormant.** Look, self-serving rationalizations for your beliefs and their consequences do not amount to evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/117 "2003-12-15T22:33:42Z")
Can there possibly be a clearer case of DNFTT? Let him drop. (My apologies for bumping the thread with this post, but it’s already being bumped once every 3-5 minutes; another bump will hardly pull it to the top of the page). He’s clearly not interested in rational discourse, nor in being charming. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/118 "2003-12-15T22:43:51Z")
Wow. Just… wow. It’s been quite a long while since we’ve seen an **ambushed** thread of this speed and magnitude. Who can keep up? ---
**Author:** ![Earthworm\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f07891/32.png) [@Earthworm\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earthworm_Jim)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/119 "2003-12-15T23:10:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by yguy \* > \*\*We all have faults don’t we? Is that because other people think we have them, or because they exist of themselves? \*\* That depends. Is morality relative or absolute? ---
**Author:** ![Ms2001](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ms2001/32/18463_2.png) [@Ms2001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms2001)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2003, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/120 "2003-12-16T00:40:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by yguy \* > **I remember being one. How about you?** I sure do. Can’t say I remember “knowing” that homosexuality was wrong, though. Now, since you didn’t answer my question, here it is again: **Please explain how you know the difference between what children “know” and what children “think”.** Suppose you’re talking to a child, and he tells you something that he believes to be true, but you believe to be false. How would you determine whether it’s _knowledge_ from his internal spring of wisdom, or just a _thought_ from his selfish ego? > [@](#): > > **I knew when I was being treated unjustly, such as being blamed for something I didn’t do, and I know when I _thought_ I was being treated unjustly, such as when I was told to take out the trash or whatever.** At what point did you realize you were wrong? That is, when did you decide that one belief was “knowledge” and the other was just a “thought”? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076.md?page=7)