# Hey Stoneburg, you gutless, lying pusbag... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 15, 2003, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076 "2003-12-15T06:27:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2003, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/121 "2003-12-16T00:42:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by yguy \* > \*\*They don’t think it, they know it. Until the question comes before them that knowledge lies dormant. \*\* My god, you are the craziest dipshit I have seen on the SDMB in a long time. I can’t believe how fucking _nice_ people are being to you. Are on crack, by any chance? How the fuck do you know what every child thinks? So you thought that homosexuality was gross when you were a kid. Well, bully for you. Don’t speak for me or anyone else. I actually knew plenty of gay people when I was a kid and gay sex never seemed any grosser to me than straight sex. I love this line of reasoning, though. “If kids think it, it must be right.” Kids are dumb! Who the fuck cares what little kids think? When I was a little kid I hated brushing my teeth. Does that mean there’s something intrinsically wrong with tooth-brushing? When I was nine I pushed my four-year-old sister off the top bunk of a bunk bed. News flash! Kids do stupid and harmful things! I hope to god you never have any children, I’d hate to see your brilliant parenting skills in action. “Oh, Junior wants to eat ice cream for dinner. Well, he’s a kid, he must be right.” ---
**Author:** ![photopat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e95f7d/32.png) [@photopat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/photopat)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2003, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/122 "2003-12-16T00:42:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by yguy \* > \*\*This presumes, of course, that my audience has the desire to understand my reasoning. Some here obviously don’t, for whatever reason. \*\* I only found this thread earlier, so I’d like to understand it. You say homosexuality is a perversion. On what basis do you make that claim? You say children naturally know right from wrong. On what basis do you make _that_ claim. You can’t just say “this is the way things are” without providing evidence to back up your claims. So far, for the most part it appears that you haven’t done that. You may _think_ you have, but if so it’s been difficult to sort out. Please, in one post, just say why you believe those particular ideas. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2003, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/123 "2003-12-16T00:56:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by yguy \* > \*\*They don’t _know_ that, they _think_ that, because their selfish egos incline them to do so. \*\* > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by yguy \* > \*\*They don’t think it, they know it. Until the question comes before them that knowledge lies dormant. \*\* 😕 ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2003, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/124 "2003-12-16T01:08:47Z")
DNFY ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2003, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/125 "2003-12-16T02:16:23Z")
The only thing **Stoneburg** got wrong was assuming that there was a rational basis for **yguy** ’s idiotic gassbaggery. Further, I’m surprised nobody has commented on his name. Say it aloud: “why-guy.” As in one of those obnoxious children who figures out he can yank people’s chains by asking “why” after every explanation, sending the parent or teacher or whoever into a death spiral of regressive causality and thus achieving a pointlessly small amount of control over his superior. Me, I’m keeping my chain. **yguy** is free to yank something else. ---
**Author:** ![Ilsa\_Lund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a6a055/32.png) [@Ilsa\_Lund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ilsa_Lund)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2003, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/126 "2003-12-16T02:26:47Z")
GodDAMN! I take back everything bad I ever said about county and Aldebaran. **yguy** , don’t fill out your census. A million arcsins couldn’t take care fo the skew you’d put in the bell curve. ---
**Author:** ![robertliguori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@robertliguori](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robertliguori)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2003, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/127 "2003-12-16T02:35:08Z")
> [@](#): > > “Oh, Junior wants to eat ice cream for dinner. Well, he’s a kid, he must be right.” Major hijack: Kids have a surprisingly good idea of what is nutritios provided you let them exercise it. If you let kids eat what they want when they want, they’re usually good about not splurging. Conversely, if sweets and fattening foods are rare treats, then they will try to stock up when oppertunity presents itself. I’ve seen many examples of people of many ages eating healthily if they were free to eat what they wanted. And yguy is a moron. This is actually kind of funny, IMHO. Let’s keep him around. With any luck, the next time someone tries out a pseudo-rational explanation of why homosexuality is icky and evil, he’ll show up and demonstrate with Swiftian wit the fallacy of their reasoning. Or just sound off like a moron and make the other person see how dumb their theory sounds. And if you’re still reading, welcome, Stoneburg. ---
**Author:** ![yguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/eb9ed0/32.png) [@yguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yguy)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2003, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/128 "2003-12-16T02:57:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by NurseCarmen \* > Google “childs views on sexuality” if you want to read up on what some people with “PhD” “MD” and other such letters at the end of their names seem to think about the forming of opinions of sexuality. Indeed, a couple of names come to mind, including those of Bruce Rind, who co-authored [this study](http://www.paedosexualitaet.de/lib/Rind1998.html), and Martin Seligman, president in 1999 of the American Pschological Association, who, according to the study which evidently referenced a book of his, had, shall we say, a “thing” with a newspaperman, which today we would call child sexual abuse, and claims it was a positive experience. I have not been able to find any quote from Seligman objecting to being quoted in the study, which is blatant pro-pedophilia propaganda, in my view. Not to mention the Steven Pinkers and Peter Singers of the world, whom, though they have seriously proposed that there is nothing intrinsically wrong with infanticide, the academicians at MIT and Princeton have somehow seen fit to grant status as tenured professors. I’m sure others can come up with examples of academic insanity just as patent. The question then, is why anyone who is granted the imprimatur of the academic community is especially credible. As for children’s opinions about homosexuality, I never said anything about that. I said what they _know_ not what they opine. A seed doesn’t sprout until in encounters moisture; neither does the child’s knowing crystallize into an opinion that can be verbalized until he is confronted with the reality of the act. > [@](#): > > Maybe if you educate yourself a little bit, you’ll realize that your just another asshole and maybe you’ll find the spine to go punch whatever troglodytes raised you, for it’s clear that they failed in a vital part of their parenting. You don’t understand. I was not indoctrinated with any “homophobia”. Although my mother thought it was “unnatural”, she never made much of an issue of it. I never even thought much about it until my teens. ---
**Author:** ![yguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/eb9ed0/32.png) [@yguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yguy)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2003, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/129 "2003-12-16T03:02:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Kyla \* > How the fuck do you know what every child thinks? So you thought that homosexuality was gross when you were a kid. Well, bully for you. Don’t speak for me or anyone else. I actually knew plenty of gay people when I was a kid and gay sex never seemed any grosser to me than straight sex. Did you know what anal sex was at the time? > [@](#): > > I love this line of reasoning, though. “If kids think it, it must be right.” Please. I never said anything like that. ---
**Author:** ![yguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/eb9ed0/32.png) [@yguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yguy)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2003, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/130 "2003-12-16T03:03:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Cervaise \* > The only thing **Stoneburg** got wrong was assuming that there was a rational basis for **yguy** ’s idiotic gassbaggery. Still waiting for one of you gutless wonders to provide a rational basis for the idea that murder is wrong. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Palo\_Verde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/65b543/32.png) [@Palo\_Verde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palo_Verde)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2003, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/131 "2003-12-16T03:15:10Z")
## quote: ## Originally posted by yguy They don’t think it, they know it. Until the question comes before them that knowledge lies dormant. Again, I’ll ask for a single shred of evidence to back this up? Any, any at all? ---
**Author:** ![yguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/eb9ed0/32.png) [@yguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yguy)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2003, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/132 "2003-12-16T03:26:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by photopat \* > I only found this thread earlier, so I’d like to understand it. > > You say homosexuality is a perversion. On what basis do you make that claim? I’ve answered this several times now. I know you don’t find it satisfactory, but I can’t help that. If homosexuality isn’t a perversion, I don’t see why necrophilia should be considered one either. > [@](#): > > You say children naturally know right from wrong. On what basis do you make _that_ claim. They know when injustice is being done to them. After they’re corrupted, they can be made to believe that injustices done to them are somehow their fault. I should know. It happened to me. My mother intimidated me into thinking her unhappiness was my fault. ---
**Author:** ![Palo\_Verde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/65b543/32.png) [@Palo\_Verde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palo_Verde)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2003, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/133 "2003-12-16T03:31:44Z")
What evidence leads you to the conclusion that children _know_ that homosexuality is wrong? Simple question, asked by me (and numerous others) several times. What leads you to think that they intrinsically know this? ---
**Author:** ![yguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/eb9ed0/32.png) [@yguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yguy)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2003, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/134 "2003-12-16T03:32:04Z")
Perhaps some of you have forgotten the subject of this thread, but I have not. Stoneburg claims I misrepresented myself, and he’s a liar. BTW, any of you who think I’m a moron are welcome to meet me upstairs and convince me that the [separation of church and state](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=226786) is a principle endemic to the Constitution. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2003, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/135 "2003-12-16T03:32:18Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by yguy_ > Probably more. Been awhile. It was a riot. Tables were pounded on, and eardrums were shattered - but we always parted friends. Someone considers you a friend? You got a cite for that? ---
**Author:** ![Ms2001](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ms2001/32/18463_2.png) [@Ms2001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms2001)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2003, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/136 "2003-12-16T03:41:27Z")
> [@](#): > > My mother intimidated me into thinking her unhappiness was my fault. Childhood trauma, eh? That puts everything into perspective - your fixation with the purity of childhood, your sophistry which can only be interpreted as a demand for attention, and your dissociation when confronted with unpleasant situations (i.e. ignoring and avoiding questions). Dr. Drew would have a field day with you. Too bad Adam would hang up on you after 10 seconds for being such a jackass. ---
**Author:** ![yguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/eb9ed0/32.png) [@yguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yguy)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2003, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/137 "2003-12-16T03:46:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mr2001 \* > **Childhood trauma, eh? That puts everything into perspective - your fixation with the purity of childhood, your sophistry which can only be interpreted as a demand for attention, and your dissociation when confronted with unpleasant situations (i.e. ignoring and avoiding questions).** Smarmy condescension noted. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Palo\_Verde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/65b543/32.png) [@Palo\_Verde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palo_Verde)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2003, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/138 "2003-12-16T03:46:46Z")
Lack of answer to direct questions noted. ---
**Author:** ![photopat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e95f7d/32.png) [@photopat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/photopat)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2003, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/139 "2003-12-16T03:49:34Z")
Okay, I made a civil post, but anybody who can equate homosexuality with necrophilia doesn’t deserve more than one. ---
**Author:** ![yguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/eb9ed0/32.png) [@yguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yguy)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2003, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076/140 "2003-12-16T03:53:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by photopat \* > \*\*Okay, I made a civil post, but anybody who can equate homosexuality with necrophilia doesn’t deserve more than one. \*\* But of course, I did no such thing. Neither do I equate theft with murder, but they are both illegal. What the hell’ wrong with you people? Are the most elementary principles of logic beyond your grasp? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-stoneburg-you-gutless-lying-pusbag/219076.md?page=8)