# Hey veggieheads, you might want to put Paul Mccartney on the memos **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 20, 2004, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351 "2004-06-20T21:32:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2004, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/1 "2004-06-20T21:32:24Z")
In many arguments with vegetarians I often get told that it’s everybody’s own business what they eat (which I agree with) and that Vegies are never proselytizing (which I don’t). I am constantly reassured that all Vegies are just making a personal decision, and not trying to force it on other people. Well aparently one of the most visible and outspoken vegetarians _is_ trying to force it on people. [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ID/5190863/](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ID/5190863/) Does Norway have any kind of ALCU type thing they can sic on his dumbass and sue him? Again I don’t have a problem with whatever people choose to eat, But can some of you people finally admit there are militant asshole vegetarians trying to change how other people eat? And those people are worth fighting. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2004, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/2 "2004-06-20T21:39:15Z")
So wait a minute - because McCartney has his concert tour catered vegetarian and doesn’t want meat brought in, suddenly all of us other vegetarians bear some responsibility or something? I don’t know what vegetarians you’re talking to who don’t know what, oh, **PETA** is, for example, but they’re on crack. Sure, there are proselytzing vegetarians/vegans, just like there are pushy omnivores who’ll harangue vegetarians about why they eat that way and aren’t they missing meat and won’t they just try a bit of this, it doesn’t have much meat, and hiding meat in their food in some idiotic attempt to ‘trick’ the vegetarians or to make them ‘eat healthy’. Yeah, so there’s a pushy veg out there. _shrug_ ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2004, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/3 "2004-06-20T22:24:28Z")
> [@Ferret Herder](#): > > Sure, there are proselytzing vegetarians/vegans, just like there are pushy omnivores who’ll harangue vegetarians about why they eat that way and aren’t they missing meat and won’t they just try a bit of this, it doesn’t have much meat, and hiding meat in their food in some idiotic attempt to ‘trick’ the vegetarians or to make them ‘eat healthy’. Yeah. What she said. This OP makes about as much sense as one of us veggies holding all meat-eaters responsible because someone tried to sneak meat into our food. As if that means anything about anything else. It’s just one jerk trying to overstep. And we veggies have seen a lot more of it, I daresay, than many of you meat-eaters. I have no doubt that many of us can trot out our own stories of meat-eaters trying to shove meat down our throats. It happens a lot. Does that all of a sudden make _you_ (the OP) responsible for what someone else does to us? ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2004, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/4 "2004-06-20T22:26:00Z")
If McCartney doesn’t want meat eaters on his crew, that’s his deal. The crew is free to raise a stink, sneak in their own meat, strike, and/or quit. ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/5 "2004-06-21T01:28:03Z")
Or blacks, or homosexuals, or women, or Jews, or atheists, or Muslims :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/6 "2004-06-21T01:30:52Z")
Oh yeah, because clearly eating meat at every meal is something that those omnivorous humans can’t change, it’s a part of their genetics, it’ll make them ill and violate their religious beliefs, and asking them to eat a vegetarian meal is like asking a straight guy to be attracted to men only, or a Christian person to worship Satan. Riiiiiight. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/7 "2004-06-21T01:35:35Z")
Meh. When I cater functions I order a vegetarian menu as well. If people don’t like it, they are free to go out after and eat a cheeseburger. I guess if McCartney is footing the bill, he can serve or not serve whatever he likes. ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/8 "2004-06-21T01:51:17Z")
> [@Ferret Herder](#): > > Oh yeah, because clearly eating meat at every meal is something that those omnivorous humans can’t change, it’s a part of their genetics, it’ll make them ill and violate their religious beliefs, and asking them to eat a vegetarian meal is like asking a straight guy to be attracted to men only, or a Christian person to worship Satan. Riiiiiight. What if crew members, even the hardcore vegan ones, had to wear leather belts, leather shoes, and eat nothing but animal products in order for them to work for a musician? ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/9 "2004-06-21T02:05:01Z")
I am not a vegetarian, but I’m siding with McCartney on this one. If he wants to forbid behavior that he finds objectionable—whether it’s eating meat or kicking puppies—in the people he employs, I think he has every right to do so. No one _has_ to eat meat. They can either forego it while they’re working for him or get another job. ---
**Author:** ![JeffB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jeffb/32/188_2.png) [@JeffB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JeffB)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/10 "2004-06-21T02:10:06Z")
I’m just amused that the linked article had a prominent ad for the Atkins diet smack in the middle. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/11 "2004-06-21T02:15:35Z")
I once went to a Hillel function, and it was catered kosher! Clearly my right to eat pork with every meal was trampled upon. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/12 "2004-06-21T02:23:28Z")
> [@wolfman](#): > > But can some of you people finally admit there are militant asshole vegetarians trying to change how other people eat? Show me one person on these message boards who has actually denied that “there are militant asshole vegetarians trying to change how other people eat.” Oh, and go fuck yourself. ---
**Author:** ![lezlers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@lezlers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lezlers)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/13 "2004-06-21T02:25:07Z")
I agree with the other vegetarians in this thread. I don’t believe there’s one vegetarian out there who _doesn’t_ believe there are some obnoxious ones. Of _course_ there are. Thing is, people get this crazy idea in their heads that all vegetarians are like that because the annoying ones are the _visible_ ones. You don’t notice the ones like me that are just sitting quietly trying to enjoy their meal in peace without getting any shit from pushy meat eaters. I think that’s why so many of us try to make a point that we’re not all like that. We’re trying to get across that if we’re not making a big deal out of it, than neither should you. No one is claiming that everyone is like that though. So the OP’s little “see, see, look! There ARE annoying vegetarians out there! Ha HA!” is a bit silly. And I’ll never get why people think it’s _such_ a hardship to go without meat for one freaking meal. I went on a retreat once for a job I had and the ranch we were at had a vegetarian group staying there as well, so the meals were all vegetarian. You’d think they were starving our group to death by how much people were carrying on. It was ridiculous. It’s not the same as forcing a vegetarian to eat meat. A meat eater is not going to get sick if they don’t eat meat for one meal or _gasp_ even a whole day. Asking a meat eater to go without meat for a meal or a day is not going to cause them to go against their ethical beliefs. And if someone else is footing the bill for all of your meals, I think it’s rather poor form to bitch and moan that it’s vegetarian. If the food isn’t going to make you sick and it’s not going against your ethical beliefs then suck it up and _eat_. Quit being such a baby. Sheesh. And THIS: > [@Machetero](#): > > Or blacks, or homosexuals, or women, or Jews, or atheists, or Muslims Is the stupidest comparison I’ve ever seen. Comparing asking a caterer to stick to a vegetarian menu _that you’re paying for_ to being racist is the height of absurdity. ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/14 "2004-06-21T02:29:22Z")
> [@matt\_mcl](#): > > I once went to a Hillel function, and it was catered kosher! > > Clearly my right to eat pork with every meal was trampled upon. 😃 Very true. Very funny. McCartney overstepped by (if I understand the situation correctly) insisting that his employees not bring their own meat to the set to eat. But not buying and serving meat to them? It’s done all the time, and last I checked, a person _does_ get to choose which products and services they will buy. McCartney does not _have_ to purchase meat for others to eat. Anymore than I, a non-smoker, _has_ to purchase cigarettes for others to smoke. Or alcohol for them to drink, or spandex for them to wear. > [@mhendo](#): > > Show me one person on these message boards who has actually denied that “there are militant asshole vegetarians trying to change how other people eat.” Exactly. I think we are all aware that some veggies overstep, or are complete pains in the ass. So take it up with them, personally. Don’t bitch to the rest of us as if we had anything to do with it. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/15 "2004-06-21T02:30:37Z")
> [@Machetero](#): > > What if crew members, even the hardcore vegan ones, had to wear leather belts, leather shoes, and eat nothing but animal products in order for them to work for a musician? Then they can choose to not work for that musician. ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/16 "2004-06-21T02:32:47Z")
There are some employers who insist that their female employees strip naked and dance in front of other people! How _dare_ an employer expect such a thing?!? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/17 "2004-06-21T02:41:26Z")
Let me see, if the police try to keep X and cannabis out of the concert, they are RIGHT wing. If McC tries to keep out meat, he is LEFT wing. OK, got it. Seems largely the same sort of busy-body activity to me. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/18 "2004-06-21T02:53:15Z")
> [@Paul in Saudi](#): > > Let me see, if the police try to keep X and cannabis out of the concert, they are RIGHT wing. If McC tries to keep out meat, he is LEFT wing. OK, got it. > > Seems largely the same sort of busy-body activity to me. Interesting point. I just got out of reading the “Which is meaner: right wing or left wing?” thread. 110 consecutive posts of sheer, non-stop ignorance, among the most idiotic and depression threads in SDMB history. Truth is, 99% of the time you can’t tell if a jerk is right or left. ---
**Author:** ![if6was9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e47c2d/32.png) [@if6was9](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/if6was9)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/19 "2004-06-21T02:59:47Z")
> [@Ferret Herder](#): > > Oh yeah, because clearly eating meat at every meal is something that those omnivorous humans can’t change, it’s a part of their genetics, it’ll make them ill and violate their religious beliefs, and asking them to eat a vegetarian meal is like asking a straight guy to be attracted to men only, or a Christian person to worship Satan. Riiiiiight. No. Asshole! Some of us like meat! Even some poor tortured little veal. I am a COMMITTED carnivore! Get the fuck over yourself! Just because Paul is _Paul_ doesn’t mean that he can dictate everything to his crew. His actions are wrong and **ignorant** and should be fought… as is the purpose of this board. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/20 "2004-06-21T03:04:35Z")
Listen, I don’t give a fuck about Paul McCartney. All I’m saying is that musicians have a history of demanding various stuff for their shows - pick all the brown M&Ms out of the bags, serve only X brand of bottled water and Y brand of beer, fill the dressing room with arrangements of white roses, no alcohol backstage because the lead singer is a recovering alcoholic, get some of that caviar that only comes from this one particular town in Russia, etc., etc. His requirement is no more different or onerous than any other I’ve read about. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351.md?page=2)