# Hey veggieheads, you might want to put Paul Mccartney on the memos **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 20, 2004, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351 "2004-06-20T21:32:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![if6was9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e47c2d/32.png) [@if6was9](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/if6was9)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/21 "2004-06-21T03:10:19Z")
> [@Thudlow Boink](#): > > I am not a vegetarian, but I’m siding with McCartney on this one. If he wants to forbid behavior that he finds objectionable—whether it’s eating meat or kicking puppies—in the people he employs, I think he has every right to do so. No one _has_ to eat meat. They can either forego it while they’re working for him or get another job. No! Idiot! What if he had a thing about, say, Americans? Wouldn’t hire any of them (the cheeky bastards!) That would be no more right than excluding the VAST majority who eat meat. You fucking militant vegans ought to shut the fuck up! I would defend to the death, your right to eat anything you want, or NOT eat anything you want. But if you try to impose your views on me, I’m gonna smack back hard, as hard as I can! Fuck you! ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/22 "2004-06-21T03:10:36Z")
> [@if6was9](#): > > Get the fuck over yourself! Most unintentionally ironic statement of the day. > [@](#): > > Just because Paul is _Paul_ doesn’t mean that he can dictate everything to his crew. His actions are wrong and **ignorant** and should be fought… as is the purpose of this board. No - the reason Paul gets to dictate is becasue he’s the one paying the bill. I’m afraid if you want to eat dead baby cows, you’ll have to do it on your own time. Doo. Fus. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/23 "2004-06-21T03:12:15Z")
I really don’t need my chain yanked tonight, OK? Real cute. ---
**Author:** ![Road\_Rash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a8b319/32.png) [@Road\_Rash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Road_Rash)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/24 "2004-06-21T03:12:25Z")
I’m going to go against the popular sentiment of the poster, and say Paul McCartney and company are being total pricks. Is it their right? To an extent, yes, but not to the extent of the quote: “We can’t control what they do in their spare time,” a spokesman for the concert organizers told Aftenposten. “But as long as they’re inside the stadium area, it’s correct that they are banned from eating meat.” To that I say “Bullshit!” They don’t own the stadium. When the crew is eating, they are on their own time. If they decide to bring their own food to eat, so be it. As far as catering goes, it is likely standard procedure for large touring bands to provide meals. If the meals are crap, I see no problem with the crew saying so. Management doesn’t have to do anything about it, but I feel no action is irresponsible. Ringo Starr provided far more to the Beatles than most give credit. He was a nice, outgoing person, that got along with the people. The other Beatles often tended to be rather prickish. I am curious what the unions say about this, or is Sir Paul employing scab labor. Oh, and I do agree that most vegetarians are not this way. Of course, most do not have the power to regulate their beliefs like Sir Paul. ---
**Author:** ![if6was9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e47c2d/32.png) [@if6was9](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/if6was9)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/25 "2004-06-21T03:14:30Z")
> [@Ferret Herder](#): > > Listen, I don’t give a fuck about Paul McCartney. All I’m saying is that musicians have a history of demanding various stuff for their shows - pick all the brown M&Ms out of the bags, serve only X brand of bottled water and Y brand of beer, fill the dressing room with arrangements of white roses, no alcohol backstage because the lead singer is a recovering alcoholic, get some of that caviar that only comes from this one particular town in Russia, etc., etc. His requirement is no more different or onerous than any other I’ve read about. BULLSHIT! Picking out the fucking brown M&M’s is PAUL’S personal choice! Telling his WHOLE FUCKING CREW that they can’t have brown M&M’s is imposing his will! Over people that he has NO control over! Does he think he is some Lord? A King? What? ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/26 "2004-06-21T03:16:36Z")
Actually, **Alice** , employing someone does not give you the right to mandate their personal eating habits. Any more than it gives you the right to tell me who I should vote for or where I should buy my clothes. It’s none of his damn business. Giving me a job does not give you rights to dictate any aspect of my personal life. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/27 "2004-06-21T03:16:59Z")
Does anyone else think that **if6was9** is showing classic symptoms of “Meat Rage?” ---
**Author:** ![if6was9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e47c2d/32.png) [@if6was9](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/if6was9)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/28 "2004-06-21T03:20:36Z")
> [@alice\_in\_wonderland](#): > > Does anyone else think that **if6was9** is showing classic symptoms of “Meat Rage?” Wow! That’s REAL intelligent! :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/29 "2004-06-21T03:25:15Z")
> [@Maureen](#): > > Giving me a job does not give you rights to dictate any aspect of my personal life. He’s not dictating personal life - he’s dictating behaviour while _at work_. My employer doesn’t allow me to drink on the job, or wear assless pants to the office. Doesn’t mean I can’t do those things on my own time. Paul’s mandate is no different. No meat on the job. The employees are free to go home and slaughter and eat a whole cow if they like. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/30 "2004-06-21T03:27:16Z")
> [@Ferret Herder](#): > > Listen, I don’t give a fuck about Paul McCartney. All I’m saying is that musicians have a history of demanding various stuff for their shows - pick all the brown M&Ms out of the bags, serve only X brand of bottled water and Y brand of beer, fill the dressing room with arrangements of white roses, no alcohol backstage because the lead singer is a recovering alcoholic, get some of that caviar that only comes from this one particular town in Russia, etc., etc. His requirement is no more different or onerous than any other I’ve read about. Well, the no brown M&Ms actually have a really neat twist to it: (sorry, I love this one) [Van Halen and No Brown M&Ms](http://www.snopes.com/music/artists/vanhalen.htm). > [@](#): > > . . . Van Halen was the first band to take huge productions into tertiary, third-level markets. We’d pull up with nine eighteen-wheeler trucks, full of gear, where the standard was three trucks, max. And there were many, many technical errors — whether it was the girders couldn’t support the weight, or the flooring would sink in, or the doors weren’t big enough to move the gear through. > The contract rider read like a version of the Chinese Yellow Pages because there was so much equipment, and so many human beings to make it function. So just as a little test, in the technical aspect of the rider, it would say “Article 148: There will be fifteen amperage voltage sockets at twenty-foot spaces, evenly, providing nineteen amperes . . .” This kind of thing. And article number 126, in the middle of nowhere, was: “There will be no brown M&M’s in the backstage area, upon pain of forfeiture of the show, with full compensation.” > > So, when I would walk backstage, if I saw a brown M&M in that bowl . . . well, line-check the entire production. Guaranteed you’re going to arrive at a technical error. They didn’t read the contract. Guaranteed you’d run into a problem. Sometimes it would threaten to just destroy the whole show. Something like, literally, life-threatening. Heh. Okay, end highjack. It’s Paul’s show, he’s footing the bill, he makes the rules. The no leather clause though, is rather anal, and I think he’s taking it too far there. **if6was9** , I don’t know about meat, but I DEFINITELY think you need to cut the caffeine out of your diet for a while, mmmkay? ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/31 "2004-06-21T03:27:42Z")
Sooo…eating a chicken enchilada is on a par with getting sloshed? ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/32 "2004-06-21T03:33:36Z")
God, I hate not being able to edit posts and then wanting to go back and add more. **Alice** , Paul does NOT have a right to tell me what I can and cannot eat for lunch. Lunch _is_ my personal time. I am off the clock. He is not paying me to go down to my favorite taqueria. Even if I eat it at my desk, it is MY time. Not his. ---
**Author:** ![if6was9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e47c2d/32.png) [@if6was9](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/if6was9)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/33 "2004-06-21T03:33:46Z")
> [@alice\_in\_wonderland](#): > > He’s not dictating personal life - he’s dictating behaviour while _at work_. > > My employer doesn’t allow me to drink on the job, or wear assless pants to the office. Doesn’t mean I can’t do those things on my own time. > Paul’s mandate is no different. No meat on the job. The employees are free to go home and slaughter and eat a whole cow if they like. It IS! What part of TOO FAR don’t you understand? He has a responsibility to his “company” to provide his service in the best way possible. That MIGHT include the actions of his crew. They might have to look professional… as far as that might translate to a ROCK tour… :rolleyes: But… eating meat is NOT a bad thing. Not to the VAST majority of humans! This is simply a case of a militant vegan using his “power” to impose his will on his underlings. Another case of THE MAN, keeping us down! ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/34 "2004-06-21T03:34:35Z")
> [@if6was9](#): > > Wow! That’s REAL intelligent! :rolleyes: Heh. Yer doing really well here guy. Keep it up. Honestly. ---
**Author:** ![if6was9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e47c2d/32.png) [@if6was9](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/if6was9)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/35 "2004-06-21T03:34:56Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > **if6was9** , I don’t know about meat, but I DEFINITELY think you need to cut the caffeine out of your diet for a while, mmmkay? Fuck you too. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/36 "2004-06-21T03:37:35Z")
> [@if6was9](#): > > Another case of THE MAN, keeping us down! **BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA** God - yer killin’ me here. You’ve gotta keep these zinger coming!! _::wipes tear from eye::_ ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/37 "2004-06-21T03:39:26Z")
> [@Maureen](#): > > Sooo…eating a chicken enchilada is on a par with getting sloshed? I didn’t say getting sloshed, I said drinking. Or wearing assless pants. He’s paying the bills, he’s paying the salary. He’s the one that gets to dictate the rules. If the employees don’t like it, they’re free to get another job. However, somehow I bet Paul is one of the best paying gigs in town… ---
**Author:** ![if6was9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e47c2d/32.png) [@if6was9](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/if6was9)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/38 "2004-06-21T03:43:41Z")
K. You’re all right. I’m wrong. Yes sir Mr. McCartney! Anything you say sir! Look at all the great songs you’ve given us. How could I have ever thought that my personal choices wouldn’t agree with yours… I’m so sorry I thought I had a voice… ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/39 "2004-06-21T03:45:28Z")
> [@if6was9](#): > > I thought I had a voice… And you can express that voice by choosing not to work for Mr. McCartney. Oh, wait… ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2004, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351/40 "2004-06-21T03:46:47Z")
psssst… **Alice**. I note you rather selectively neglected my other post. The one in which I said he has no right to tell his employees what they can eat while they’re off the clock? No matter WHERE they’re eating it? Rather the law, y’know. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-veggieheads-you-might-want-to-put-paul-mccartney-on-the-memos/251351.md?page=3)