# Hey White Women! Your internalized misogyny put Trump in office! **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [November 16, 2016, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-white-women-your-internalized-misogyny-put-trump-in-office/772113 "2016-11-16T00:28:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-white-women-your-internalized-misogyny-put-trump-in-office/772113/1 "2016-11-16T00:28:47Z")
Just so you’re perfectly clear who’s to blame in this debacle. It’s you! [Clinton Campaign Official Invokes ‘Internalized Misogyny’ in Talking About Women’s Vote](http://www.mediaite.com/tv/clinton-campaign-official-invokes-internalized-misogyny-in-talking-about-womens-vote/) > [@](#): > > Jess McIntosh, who was director of communications outreach on the Hillary Clinton campaign, talked on MSNBC tonight about why the white female vote didn’t go more for Clinton like people expected. > > Chris Hayes pointed out how Clinton didn’t really get that much more of the white women vote than President Obama did in 2012––”a point better.” > > McIntosh responded, “Internalized misogyny is a real thing.” Video Interview [Stats from Oberlin Review](http://oberlinreview.org/11676/opinions/misogyny-played-pivotal-role-in-election/) > [@](#): > > According to The Washington Post exit polls, 62 percent of white women without a college degree voted for Donald Trump; 45 percent of white women with a college degree also voted for Trump. In comparison, 95 percent of Black women with no college degree voted for Hillary Clinton, and of those with a college degree, 91 percent voted for Clinton. As a white woman, I am ashamed of my demographic and furious that I have a just cause to feel this shame. The above numbers show that it wasn’t “women” as a monolithic whole who largely supported Trump, but white women. In that respect, the interest of white people in maintaining white supremacy largely decided this election. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-white-women-your-internalized-misogyny-put-trump-in-office/772113/2 "2016-11-16T00:38:20Z")
Oh the love of God - title and intro spelling jacked up - “misogyny” ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-white-women-your-internalized-misogyny-put-trump-in-office/772113/3 "2016-11-16T00:40:39Z")
Of course. It’s been well established that if you don’t worship Hillary Clinton then you have a perverted hatred of all women. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-white-women-your-internalized-misogyny-put-trump-in-office/772113/4 "2016-11-16T01:43:06Z")
I wish I could say this is the first article I’ve seen on the topic, but that’d be one on Slate about White Women Selling Out ‘the Sisterhood’ :rolleyes: There literally aren’t eyerolls enough to express my thoughts about being told I owed Clinton my vote because we both sit to pee. ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-white-women-your-internalized-misogyny-put-trump-in-office/772113/5 "2016-11-16T02:04:51Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Of course. It’s been well established that if you don’t worship Hillary Clinton then you have a perverted hatred of all women. It takes a certain amount of self-hatred to vote for someone like Trump, no matter who he is running against. If he had been running against Ronald Reagan, I would have voted for Reagan. I would have voted for a post-Watergate Nixon before I’d vote for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![drewder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/57b2e6/32.png) [@drewder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewder)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-white-women-your-internalized-misogyny-put-trump-in-office/772113/6 "2016-11-16T02:17:48Z")
So does that mean I was supposed to vote for trump because I have a penis? ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-white-women-your-internalized-misogyny-put-trump-in-office/772113/7 "2016-11-16T02:19:57Z")
Why did having a college education drive white women (and white men) away from Trump but it made black women more supportive of him (or at the very least, less pro-Clinton)? Really, this race was about education, at least in white people. High school educated whites broke for Trump more than they did for Romney in 2012, while college educated whites broke for Clinton more than Obama in 2012. If you need a demographic to look at to see how lopsided it was, it is high school educated white men. They gave Trump something like a 45-50 point margin. They handed over the northern midwest to him. I think in 2008, Obama only lost that demographic by 20ish points. Then it was 30something points in 2012. Then Clinton lost them by almost 50. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-white-women-your-internalized-misogyny-put-trump-in-office/772113/8 "2016-11-16T03:41:03Z")
> [@astro](#): > > Hey White Women! Your internalized misognony put Trump in office! > > Just so you’re perfectly clear who’s to blame in this debacle. It’s you! (post shortened) As far as I’m concerned, the only white woman who should be blamed for Hillary’s loss should be Hillary. Hillary is the one who failed to entice enough voters to vote for her angry ol’ self. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-white-women-your-internalized-misogyny-put-trump-in-office/772113/9 "2016-11-16T04:28:14Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > As far as I’m concerned, the only white woman who should be blamed for Hillary’s loss should be Hillary. Hillary is the one who failed to entice enough voters to vote for her angry ol’ self. That’s the real truth but it’s always convenient to blame some other than your hard working, justice warrior self as the lady in the video did. She was the very model of educated, sophisticated contempt for the female Trump voters. And not to get all Mars Venus about it, but I have found women \*really, really \*do not like that kind of superior, supercilious shit from anyone and do not forget or forgive it even decades afterward. There are still women for whom Hillary’s > [@](#): > > “I suppose I could have stayed home and baked cookies and had teas, but what I decided to do was to fulfill my profession.” is unforgotten and rankles to this day I voted for Hillary. Unlike Obama I did not contribute money to the campaign, put up yard signs or do any other things that someone who really wanted a certain outcome would have done because I didn’t find her engaging and believed all the “she’s going to win anyway” chatter. In looking back I’m to blame also for being too passive and disengaged about the race. ---
**Author:** ![Sahirrnee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sahirrnee/32/13937_2.png) [@Sahirrnee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sahirrnee)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-white-women-your-internalized-misogyny-put-trump-in-office/772113/10 "2016-11-16T05:02:18Z")
Oh whatever, stupid people come up with stupid ideas. Does she even know one woman who voted for Trump? Has she talked to any women who voted for Trump? Probably not, but it won’t stop her from running her mouth. I can’t stand people who jabber on when they don’t know what they are talking about. I know a lot of women who voted for Trump, as in know them and talk to them. The majority vote Republican because they are pro-life. Some don’t like Hillary and only voted for Trump because they would not vote for Hillary. I know a lot of people who voted for Trump and I can assure you, I don’t know a single one for whom it was about race. I don’t know one who is against SSM, or who wants to start deporting people. I don’t know any who are racist, want to round up Muslims, wants to send Blacks back to Africa, or are going to beat up gay people. Maybe if all these so called experts on why Trump won actually got out there and talked to the Trump supporters, instead of making assumptions and calling them Deplorables, they wouldn’t have been so damn surprised that Trump won. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-white-women-your-internalized-misogyny-put-trump-in-office/772113/11 "2016-11-16T05:35:59Z")
Every single day, Slate and HuffPo cost their side more votes. Every day. You’re going in the wrong direction Dems. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-white-women-your-internalized-misogyny-put-trump-in-office/772113/12 "2016-11-16T06:26:18Z")
Oh, good grief! Too much left wing activism, in all its permeations, combined with all the reasons to hate/distrust/dislike Hillary Clinton is what put Donald Trump in office. It wasn’t angry old uneducated white guys and it wasn’t self-hating women and it wasn’t a half country of stupid people, or any of the other dodges you keep coming up with to avoid looking at the real problem - yourselves. And the sooner you guys stop looking everywhere but your own goals and your own behavior, the sooner you’ll be able to understand and come to grips with what happened and perhaps get an outcome more to your liking in the future. I happen to like and support most of the major planks of what liberalism favors - an end to racism, equal pay and equal rights for women, etc. - but so much ridiculous nonsense accompanies both the left wing planks I support and those I don’t, combined with the angry and insulting behavior that invariably accompany them, that even people like me become passionate and determined enemies of your cause. So if you would learn to moderate your behavior and stop coming on so strongly and so aggressively and so insultingly, and stop insisting that society affect social change yesterday and behaving as though anyone not willing to immediately jump on board is some sort of evil asshole, you would very likely find society in the main moving more in the direction you want rather than the opposite. Rome wasn’t built in a day and teeth aren’t successfully moved with a hammer. It takes time and a steady, gentle pressure if you want to try to create meaningful and permanent change without shooting yourself in the foot and manufacturing your own opposition in the process. So you’re gonna have to try to change minds through education and example, rather than through anger and insult. And you’re going to have to focus on major, important issues and stop the scattershot approach that demands society accept and go along with you on a thousand different things at the same time upon pain once again of anger, insult and belittlement. Simply put, people are fed up with this shit. And as a result you’re now faced with a Republican House, a Republican Senate, 33 or 34 Republican governors, Donald Trump in the White House, and a Supreme Court that may well end up with a 6-3 or 7-2 conservative majority, whose rulings will predominate for at least a generation. So the sooner you recognize and accept that your demands and your behavior are what brought you to this state of affairs, and the sooner you learn from it and change your ways, the more the more successful you will be in trying to affect societal change the happier everyone will be in the meantime. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-white-women-your-internalized-misogyny-put-trump-in-office/772113/13 "2016-11-16T06:30:53Z")
> [@Sahirrnee](#): > > Oh whatever, stupid people come up with stupid ideas. > > Does she even know one woman who voted for Trump? Has she talked to any women who voted for Trump? Probably not, but it won’t stop her from running her mouth. I can’t stand people who jabber on when they don’t know what they are talking about. > > I know a lot of women who voted for Trump, as in know them and talk to them. The majority vote Republican because they are pro-life. Some don’t like Hillary and only voted for Trump because they would not vote for Hillary. > I know a lot of people who voted for Trump and I can assure you, I don’t know a single one for whom it was about race. I don’t know one who is against SSM, or who wants to start deporting people. I don’t know any who are racist, want to round up Muslims, wants to send Blacks back to Africa, or are going to beat up gay people. > > Maybe if all these so called experts on why Trump won actually got out there and talked to the Trump supporters, instead of making assumptions and calling them Deplorables, they wouldn’t have been so damn surprised that Trump won. Of the few who have expressed an opinion to me as conservative women it’s pretty much like you said. Abortion is a driver for the more religious and … I don’t know how to characterize it for the rest other than pure antipathy, they viscerally don’t like Hillary Clinton on some fundamental level. She just rankles them. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-white-women-your-internalized-misogyny-put-trump-in-office/772113/14 "2016-11-16T06:37:33Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So the sooner you recognize and accept that your demands and your behavior are what brought you to this state of affairs, and the sooner you learn from it and change your ways, the more the more successful you will be in trying to affect societal change the happier everyone will be in the meantime. I’m not sure that kind of change is in the current Democratic Party DNA. There’s too many vested interests to move that iceberg. If a third party for pragmatic progressives ever had a chance in America now is that time. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-white-women-your-internalized-misogyny-put-trump-in-office/772113/15 "2016-11-16T07:05:55Z")
> [@astro](#): > > I’m not sure that kind of change is in the current Democratic Party DNA. There’s too many vested interests to move that iceberg. Most definitely. But it’s lacking not only in the DNA of the party but within the DNA of the rank and file liberal as well. Impatience, verbal (and sometimes physically violent) aggression, and a seemingly limitless capacity for outrage and reflexive but poorly examined demand for change seem baked into the liberal DNA to begin with, and it seems to me these qualities are going to require conscious resistance if liberals are ever to achieve a harmonious and successful conversion of American society to a more liberal way of life. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-white-women-your-internalized-misogyny-put-trump-in-office/772113/16 "2016-11-16T08:34:54Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Why did having a college education drive white women (and white men) away from Trump but it made black women more supportive of him (or at the very least, less pro-Clinton)? > . What are you talking about? Black women massively supported Clinton, with 96% voting for her. i haven’t seen stats breaking down their vote by education, but I’m doubtful education differed significantly among black female Trumpsters and Clintonites. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-white-women-your-internalized-misogyny-put-trump-in-office/772113/17 "2016-11-16T12:07:23Z")
> [@astro](#): > > Just so you’re perfectly clear who’s to blame in this debacle. It’s you! Maybe if she spent less time attacking women and hiring detectives (on behalf of her Husband) she might have done better. Kind of hard to to claim you represent women when you’re writing a check to your husband’s sexual assault victim. That makes her an enabler and a hypocrite. Her entire resume was written on the back of a coat tail and those who voted for her in the Primaries are the ones who put Trump in office. ---
**Author:** ![Omega\_Glory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7c8e57/32.png) [@Omega\_Glory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omega_Glory)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-white-women-your-internalized-misogyny-put-trump-in-office/772113/18 "2016-11-16T14:28:48Z")
Trump is openly misogynistic, and it’s surprising that so many women didn’t care and supported him anyway. > [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > What are you talking about? Black women massively supported Clinton, with 96% voting for her. i haven’t seen stats breaking down their vote by education, but I’m doubtful education differed significantly among black female Trumpsters and Clintonites. I think he’s talking about this quote, from the OP. > [@](#): > > 95 percent of Black women with no college degree voted for Hillary Clinton, and of those with a college degree, 91 percent voted for Clinton. A 4% difference is minor, and it doesn’t mean that all those people supported Trump. > [@Sahirrnee](#): > > I know a lot of people who voted for Trump and I can assure you, I don’t know a single one for whom it was about race. I don’t know one who is against SSM, or who wants to start deporting people. I don’t know any who are racist, want to round up Muslims, wants to send Blacks back to Africa, or are going to beat up gay people. > > Maybe if all these so called experts on why Trump won actually got out there and talked to the Trump supporters, instead of making assumptions and calling them Deplorables, they wouldn’t have been so damn surprised that Trump won. Some of the Trump voters that I know are really excited that he’s going to take away the safety net for the poor and that he’s going to deport the illegals (aka the people helping keep our local economy afloat). Maybe you ended up with a good batch. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-white-women-your-internalized-misogyny-put-trump-in-office/772113/19 "2016-11-16T14:51:11Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Every single day, Slate and HuffPo cost their side more votes. Every day. > > You’re going in the wrong direction Dems. I bet you’re _concerned_ about that! ---
**Author:** ![Corry\_El](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecae2f/32.png) [@Corry\_El](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corry_El)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-white-women-your-internalized-misogyny-put-trump-in-office/772113/20 "2016-11-16T15:56:14Z")
> [@](#): > > According to The Washington Post exit polls, 62 percent of white women without a college degree voted for Donald Trump; 45 percent of white women with a college degree also voted for Trump. In comparison, 95 percent of Black women with no college degree voted for Hillary Clinton, and of those with a college degree, 91 percent voted for Clinton. As a white woman, I am ashamed of my demographic and furious that I have a just cause to feel this shame. The above numbers show that it wasn’t “women” as a monolithic whole who largely supported Trump, but white women. In that respect, the interest of white people in maintaining white supremacy largely decided this election. It’s kind of shooting fish in a barrel to mock the extreme loony left like ‘Oberlin Review’. A candidate has majority white support so those voters must have been voting for ‘white supremacy’, but 90%+ black support doesn’t mean those voters are voting for ‘black supremacy’? I mean reasonable Democrats _do_ now understand that associating themselves with this kind of kind of nonsense costs them net votes in real elections, right? Anyway, the problem with analyzing the election by %'s, even sweeping aside the silly editorializing about ‘white supremacy’, is that turnout is often more important than %. The problem for Clinton among black voters was turnout. Although maybe that’s just a reversion toward a longer term mean if the presidential candidate him or herself isn’t black. And anyway even with %'s, Romney got several less % points of the black vote than Trump did. So if we looked up the (secondarily important) % of black female voters (college or no) for Romney that was probably lower, or insignificantly higher, than for Trump also. There was a bigger overall gap of women less for Trump relative to men than other recent GOP nominees. However the longer term history of gender gap is that bigger surpluses in male support for GOP candidates, the equally valid though much less common way of describing the gender gap, has seen the GOP winning with surplus of male support at least close to what Trump had this time (1980, 2000). [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-white-women-your-internalized-misogyny-put-trump-in-office/772113.md?page=2)