# Hey White Women! Your internalized misogyny put Trump in office! **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [November 16, 2016, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-white-women-your-internalized-misogyny-put-trump-in-office/772113 "2016-11-16T00:28:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-white-women-your-internalized-misogyny-put-trump-in-office/772113/41 "2016-11-17T04:09:23Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > I’m referring to the alleged affair with Kay Summersby. After reading around its my personal preference to side with her. I’m sure the universe will forgive me…Ike being so relevant these days. The wiki is interesting but inconclusive. [Kay Summersby - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kay_Summersby) ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-white-women-your-internalized-misogyny-put-trump-in-office/772113/42 "2016-11-17T04:19:38Z")
> [@astro](#): > > The wiki is interesting but inconclusive. > [Kay Summersby - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kay_Summersby) I agree completely with you. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-white-women-your-internalized-misogyny-put-trump-in-office/772113/43 "2016-11-17T05:00:48Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > No one has said this. Strawmanning like this is a shitty thing to do. Yes, [they have](http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2016/11/09/white_women_sold_out_the_sisterhood_and_the_world_by_voting_for_trump.html). > [@](#): > > White women sold out their fellow women, their country, and themselves last night. Most white women don’t want to be part of an intersectional feminist sisterhood. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-white-women-your-internalized-misogyny-put-trump-in-office/772113/44 "2016-11-17T06:21:56Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > That is a patently ridiculous claim. Many times during this campaign and prior to it Trump has made statements that were openly misogynistic and racist by any standard… By any standard other than those in the dictionary, I assume you mean. Which brings me to… > [@Miller](#): > > That one would actually be “outside the white, Christian male bubble.” > > But it’s always useful to have the demographic with the least first hand experience with racism, sexism, and religious bigotry tell us what really is and is not racist, sexist, or bigoted. Well, who better than those being accused of holding such views to know whether they do or not? Do you not see the potential for error or abuse involved in allowing people to decide for themselves whether they’ve been victimized in some way, especially in this day and age where victimhood itself is seen as granting some sort of moral superiority? The fact is that words such as ‘misogyny’ and ‘racism’ have specific meanings, and virtually every time one hears them being bandied about by someone on the left, the grievance in question bears little to no relation to the true meaning of either term. Take for instance the so-called misogyny involved in Trump’s having grabbed women in the way he described. Such behavior is offensive, no doubt, and presumptuous and callus, but it in no way indicates a hatred or distrust of women, which is what misogyny in point of fact really is. Same with the so-called racism everyone was so quick to accuse Trump of in the wake of his comments about illegal immigrants and about halting immigration of Muslim immigrants, neither of which is remotely indicative of an attitude that Mexicans or Muslims as a whole are inferior, which is what racism really means. The reason Trump seemingly drew so many votes from a country seemingly so full of misogynist, racist haters is because the idea he did so exists only in the minds of people who are unable to make these distinctions. Yes, many of those who voted for him were put off by Trump’s forward behavior with women, but most of those who voted for him never saw it as true misogyny. Same with his insults toward Rosie O’Donnell, Megyn Kelly, etc. The left tried to play them up as indicative of a sexist attitude toward women when in fact most of those who voted for Trump saw through this and knew that in fact he was equally insulting of men he’d crossed swords with as well. They also knew that decades ago, before anyone knew anything about him, he had put several women in powerful positions in his company and had entrusted them with overseeing the construction of some of his most major hotels and office buildings. For some reason things never seem to be bad enough on their own when it comes to the left. Everything has to be exaggerated. So boorish behavior becomes misogyny and a very common-sensical desire to weed out potential terrorists from a group of immigrants who everyone already knows will contain them becomes racism. It’s ridiculous, and nobody but those on the left fall for it. But fall for it they do, and that’s why we have so much panic and tears and rending of garments in the wake of Trump’s election, and so many snowflakes trembling in horror that so many of their countrymen are such horrible bogeymen, when the reality is that all the horrible people with all these horrible views exist only in their imagination. ---
**Author:** ![Krouget](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b38774/32.png) [@Krouget](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krouget)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-white-women-your-internalized-misogyny-put-trump-in-office/772113/45 "2016-11-17T13:25:56Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > No one has said this. Strawmanning like this is a shitty thing to do. It’s not strawmanning, there is validity to the claim **elfkin477** made. There was [this](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/08/us/politics/gloria-steinem-madeleine-albright-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders.html), which later [earned an apology](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2016/02/07/gloria-steinem-is-apologizing-for-insulting-female-bernie-sanders-supporters/). ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-white-women-your-internalized-misogyny-put-trump-in-office/772113/46 "2016-11-17T16:10:46Z")
Speaking of bubbles, the one that burst most forcefully on Election Day was the one cherished by Democrats/progressives which declared that victory would follow naturally as a result of demographic changes in the electorate. Instead, we saw not only women (OK, _white women_ :eek:) deserting the coalition in favor of Trump, but an astoundingly high percentage of Hispanic voters (close to 30%) voting for him, and even 8% of black voters. Republicans would be stupid to assume that marshaling white voters and counting on just enough disaffected “minority” voters is enough to win. Democrats would be even dumber to think that this is a one-time blip, and that all they have to do in the future is sell themselves as champions of oppressed minorities, never mind having coherent and appealing policies/candidates. ---
**Author:** ![Tee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@Tee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tee)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-white-women-your-internalized-misogyny-put-trump-in-office/772113/47 "2016-11-17T23:22:33Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > For some reason things never seem to be bad enough on their own when it comes to the left. Everything has to be exaggerated. So boorish behavior becomes misogyny and a very common-sensical desire to weed out potential terrorists from a group of immigrants who everyone already knows will contain them becomes racism. It’s ridiculous, and nobody but those on the left fall for it. But fall for it they do, and that’s why we have so much panic and tears and rending of garments in the wake of Trump’s election, and so many snowflakes trembling in horror that so many of their countrymen are such horrible bogeymen, when the reality is that all the horrible people with all these horrible views exist only in their imagination. Portraying his offenses as imaginary is a waste of everyone’s time. They’re real, and [strategic.](http://www.breitbart.com/social-justice/2016/03/25/in-defense-of-donald-trumps-heidi-cruz-tweet/) > [@](#): > > Because Trump’s campaign is almost entirely self-funded, he has leeway to be a total asshole on the public stage. He doesn’t have to worry about what polite society thinks of him, because unlike the other candidates, he isn’t thinking about the next fundraising dinner in D.C. > > This has given him the unique ability to smash our culture’s stifling language codes with a sledgehammer. In the process, he’s certainly lowering the tone — but it badly needs to be lowered. Only by totally ignoring people’s feelings can we end the left’s culture of grievance, offense, and victimhood. It’s what I’ve been doing for years, and it’s what Trump is now doing on the national stage. > > Sure, the rudeness is uncomfortable to decent conservatives who appreciate good manners and a civil tongue. But if we really want to beat the left, we need Trump’s crassness. A few mean tweets about Heidi Cruz is a small price to pay to end a quarter-century of grievance culture. I’m not of the left, but I am female and did vote for Clinton for reasons other than her being female…I doubt anyone cared about her gender by then. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2016, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-white-women-your-internalized-misogyny-put-trump-in-office/772113/48 "2016-11-18T03:14:02Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Speaking of bubbles, the one that burst most forcefully on Election Day was the one cherished by Democrats/progressives which declared that victory would follow naturally as a result of demographic changes in the electorate. > > Instead, we saw not only women (OK, _white women_ :eek:) deserting the coalition in favor of Trump, but an astoundingly high percentage of Hispanic voters (close to 30%) voting for him, and even 8% of black voters. > > Republicans would be stupid to assume that marshaling white voters and counting on just enough disaffected “minority” voters is enough to win. Democrats would be even dumber to think that this is a one-time blip, and that all they have to do in the future is sell themselves as champions of oppressed minorities, never mind having coherent and appealing policies/candidates. This is one of the weaknesses in the Democratic approach to winning the White House. It depends on black voters consistently voting 90% Democratic. Batting at that sort of high average (for lack of a better expression) every single time is a very risky strategy. You can’t consistently count on winning 90% of a demographic every time, without fail. If the Republicans ever fielded a presidential candidate capable of winning 20-25% of the black vote, that alone could sink a Democratic opponent and win the White House for the GOP. Now whether the GOP \*would \*do this or not is an entirely different matter, but the Democrats’ over-reliance on black voters to always vote overwhelmingly blue, is a vulnerability. It’s akin to relying on a pitcher to always turn in an outstanding pitching performance game in and game out. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-white-women-your-internalized-misogyny-put-trump-in-office/772113.md?page=2)