# Hi Ianzin **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 7, 2006, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-ianzin/351721 "2006-04-07T14:37:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![lskinner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@lskinner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lskinner)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-ianzin/351721/101 "2006-04-13T02:20:44Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Either you are aware that the Wiki citation to which you initially linked in two threads actually refutes the claims you made about it (making your claims lies) or you are too stupid to recognize the fact. It seems of little difference to me. Which claims and which parts of the Wiki citation? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-ianzin/351721/102 "2006-04-13T02:29:16Z")
\*\*ianzin \*\*, consider my suggestion earlier in the thread: Just tell **lskinner** , [At this point, you can declare “victory” and we will all point at you and laugh.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7281339&postcount=56) If you look over the couple of threads in which he has intruded (or has begun) you will notice that he has not come for the purpose of engaging in discussion, but simply to to imply racist claims without being caught making any. He never actually advances a position; he simply (snidely) asks a leading question and then responds to every post of information with “Cite?” or a denial that the poster has made his or her case or with another question demanding proof or evidence. His intent is to imply lots of things without actually saying them, then refuse to actually advance a position that he would have to defend. Let him have his “win” and you can both be happier. ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-ianzin/351721/103 "2006-04-13T02:43:07Z")
> [@lskinner](#): > > i.e. you don’t care to examine evidence that might threaten your cherished beliefs. You’re comfortable and happy wallowing in your ignorance. > > So you’re an ignorant fool. Why? It hasn’t been established the IQ tests are significant in anything particularly useful. What exactly would you want to use a moderate predictor of student performance _for_? What can the test tell you that, say, the early year school teachers can’t, and how would you act on it? **lskinner** , why don’t you quit while at least you have one point going for you - there _is_ a correlation between IQ tests and something measurable within a given demographic group (academic performance). But the fact is, that’s not a particularly useful thing to know (what are you going to do - stop educating the ones who do poorly because it won’t do them any good anyway, or stop educating the ones who do well because they don’t really need it?), and it’s pretty clear that IQ tests are not meaningful \*across \* demographic groups. So why would **ianzin** want to go to a lot of trouble to investigate the validity of a study that doesn’t tell us anything of particular interest anyway? Just what is the point here? Yes, knowledge on any topic is probably a good thing, but no one has time for everything - you have to pick and choose what is worth the time and effort to you. I’m not clear on what good it would do even if IQ tests _were_ valid across demographic groups, let alone the narrow area in which they actually \*are \* valid. What’s the actual idea here - to label some groups as incapable of learning and therefore cut off financial aid? Or better yet, to conquer them for “their own good?” Look, if you want to be a dick, you don’t need the rationalization of IQ tests to do so. You’re allowed to just go ahead and be a dick, with or without soi-disant “proof.” Labeling some folks as terminally stupid (aside from being a rather silly idea even if cross-demographic testing were valid as there is always as wide variation within a group as there is across a multiple groups) isn’t going to make anyone think you’re \*not \* a dick if you act like one. The question isn’t **ianzin** ’s deeply cherished beliefs here - he just finished saying that he doesn’t find the topic worthy of further research. The question comes down to why is this belief so important to _you_? Just what do you get out of the idea that other nations are less intelligent than ours, and why is it so important for you to believe that it’s true? Seriously, you seem reasonably bright yourself and I’m sure you did/do well in school. Isn’t that validation enough for you? Do you need to believe that you’re smarter than entire nations or cultural groups? ---
**Author:** ![lskinner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@lskinner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lskinner)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-ianzin/351721/104 "2006-04-13T02:59:02Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Let him have his “win” and you can both be happier. So the lying liar returns. Fuck off you fucking scumbag. I won’t even bother demanding that you back up your latest lies. You have no credibility whatsoever. You are a disgusting piece of shit. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-ianzin/351721/105 "2006-04-13T03:03:07Z")
Cite? ---
**Author:** ![lskinner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@lskinner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lskinner)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-ianzin/351721/106 "2006-04-13T03:12:28Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Cite? LOLOLOL. Here ya go you lying sack of shit: In an earlier post, you claimed to be linking to an “actual” bidding document relating to condom sizes. > [@](#): > > However, the actual UNFPA Bidding Document ( .pdf ), does not have three sizes as he claims, only two, (page 17) and makes no mention of actually targeting any condoms for any region–he simply invented a claim to support his theory. Faking evidence is generally not considered good science. However, the document that you linked to was published AFTER the claim in question was made. So it was impossible that the document you linked to could be the “actual” bidding document. You were caught in a dead cold lie. You are a piece of shit hypocrite who fakes evidence so he can accuse somebody else of faking evidence. You are complete scum. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-ianzin/351721/107 "2006-04-13T03:14:09Z")
That does not say what you claim it said. ---
**Author:** ![lskinner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@lskinner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lskinner)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-ianzin/351721/108 "2006-04-13T03:21:42Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > That does not say what you claim it said. You gotta be kidding me. You think I misquoted you? You think I misread the “bidding document” you linked to? Or are you just posting random nonsense to distract from your lies? And by the way, scumbag, when I first mentioned your lie, you never denied it. You just accused me of lying. And then refused to point out my supposed lies. Here’s what you said: > [@](#): > > As to lying? Not so much as your initial posts You are total scum of the earth. I am shocked at your scumminess. Other people here have played games with me, engaged in logical fallicies etc. But only you lied about evidence to support your arguments. You are a worthless hypocrital lying sack of shit. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-ianzin/351721/109 "2006-04-13T03:28:09Z")
You have presented no evidence that the 2001 bidding document differed in any way from the 1991 document which I noted from a 1996 article that is not on-line said the same thing. Rather than provide evidence that the 1991 document differed, you simply began hurling insults, much as you have in most of your posts. Are you going to hide from this situation by name-calling the way you hid from using a Wiki article dishonestly? ---
**Author:** ![lskinner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@lskinner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lskinner)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-ianzin/351721/110 "2006-04-13T03:34:07Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > You have presented no evidence that the 2001 bidding document differed in any way from the 1991 document You claimed to be linking to the “actual” document. Not a similar document. Not a document is the same in all important respects. You claimed to be linking to the “actual” document. You lied. You lied to support your argument that somebody else is a liar. You are a worthless hypocrite. > [@](#): > > Are you going to hide from this situation by name-calling the way you hid from using a Wiki article dishonestly? More lies from the liar. I asked you many times to show what my supposed lies are. You refuse to do so. Quote me you fucking shithead. ---
**Author:** ![roger\_thornhill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@roger\_thornhill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/roger_thornhill)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-ianzin/351721/111 "2006-04-13T03:34:54Z")
> [@ianzin](#): > > Here I am again… the **lskinner’s** favourite ‘ignorant fool’! I have the perfect antidote to this thread. > > Take a look at [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=366703) and in particular [this very funny response](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7282263&postcount=2), and then imagine someone challenging **Roger Thornhill** to provide a cite to back up his assertion! (Praise be to vanity searches!) How I needed this little boost at a time when I’m being told that I’ve become bitter and twisted. Hell! I’ve been bitter and twisted since I was in short trousers. Actually, concerning this brilliant response, a) I was lucky enough to get in first (these GQ threads resemble the cavalry charge that is the start of the Grand National - being in Hong Kong and 12-15 hours ahead of the States, I have the advantage, though it’s not as great as you might think, given all the night owls and insomniacs on the Board (but that’s enough about the Mods and Admin), to have been able to achieve this goal on several occasions in my doper career); and b) I did actually double-check that A) a penguin was a bird (after all it doesn’t crap all over you when you’re sitting outside reading a book) and B) there are no types of bird whatsoever that possess hands, rather than wings, or, in the case of penguins, winglets, or whatever ornithologists call them. Only then did I proceed to the next step, the incredibly funny joke, which you have picked out for especial praise, and for which I remain Your Humble and Affectionate Savant ROT ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-ianzin/351721/112 "2006-04-13T03:41:24Z")
> [@lskinner](#): > > You claimed to be linking to the “actual” document. Not a similar document. Not a document is the same in all important respects. You claimed to be linking to the “actual” document. Unable to get a job in business, I take it? Successor documents, when they have no changes of substance, are considered the actual documents. Since you are unable to provide evidence that the document changed and since the 2001 document matches the 1996 report, the label “actual” is quite adequate. (And just to make you happy, I actually quoted you in this post. ---
**Author:** ![roger\_thornhill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@roger\_thornhill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/roger_thornhill)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-ianzin/351721/113 "2006-04-13T03:46:35Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Unable to get a job in business, I take it? Careful, Tom. You know what they say about people who make assumptions. > [@Tom](#): > > And just to make you happy, I actually quoted you in this post. He must feel as if he’s just been proferred the Pope’s ringed hand. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-ianzin/351721/114 "2006-04-13T03:53:32Z")
> [@](#): > > Careful, Tom. You know what they say about people who make assumptions. I have made no assumptions. I have asked a leading question. This is the **Pit** and such questions are fair. ---
**Author:** ![lskinner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@lskinner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lskinner)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-ianzin/351721/115 "2006-04-13T04:10:52Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Successor documents, when they have no changes of substance, are considered the actual documents. Lolololol. That’s the most ridiculous definition I’ve ever seen. Care to provide a cite for your incredibly self-serving definition? Didn’t think so. Instead of admitting that you lied, you’d rather claim that “actual” doesn’t really mean “actual.” Even the guy who claimed that his parents died on 9/11 admitted that he lied. If it had been you, you would probably be claiming that “parents” also means anyone you feel a spiritual connection to. That’s how much of a scumbag you are. > [@](#): > > Since you are unable to provide evidence that the document changed You gotta be kidding me. You accused a researcher of dishonesty. You have the burden of proof. > [@](#): > > Unable to get a job in business, I take it? Wrong again, idiot. And you still haven’t quoted my supposed lies, moron. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-ianzin/351721/116 "2006-04-13T04:18:26Z")
> [@lskinner](#): > > And you still haven’t quoted my supposed lies, moron. Why should I? I have not said you lied. ---
**Author:** ![lskinner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@lskinner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lskinner)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-ianzin/351721/117 "2006-04-13T04:25:31Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Why should I? I have not said you lied. Lol. Another lie from the lying liar. Here’s a quote from you: > [@](#): > > As to lying? Not so much as your initial posts Let me guess: Your comment was actually addressed to the invisible pink unicorn. Lol. You are such a scumbag. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-ianzin/351721/118 "2006-04-13T04:35:57Z")
Care to show me where I said you lied? ---
**Author:** ![lskinner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@lskinner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lskinner)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-ianzin/351721/119 "2006-04-13T04:56:05Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Care to show me where I said you lied? I just did, moron. Here it is again: > [@](#): > > As to lying? Not so much as your initial posts ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-ianzin/351721/120 "2006-04-13T04:58:57Z")
Nothing in what you quoted says “you lied.” Why are you making this stuff up? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-ianzin/351721.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-ianzin/351721.md?page=7)