# Hi, Jack! (ckalli1998) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 11, 2017, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922 "2017-03-11T07:08:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/201 "2017-03-13T14:44:36Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > You think the 66 million who voted for Clinton are libtards or whatever nonsense phrase you want to use today. > > What does that make you? Just like the Democrats who say Cheeto in Chief, Agent Orange, Il Douche, and a variety of other childish putdowns? Although I haven’t heard him refer to to the party as anything other than Democrats or what they prefer to be called. Guess that makes him better than the opposition. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/202 "2017-03-13T14:53:45Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > I don’t condone being jerks to conservatives simply as recreation, but let’s also keep in mind that the last few years have also seen the rise of Tea Party conservatism that is pretty much insane. To the extent that posters line up with total idiots like Louie Gohmert and declare proudly that they want to be considered as one with neonazis, Klanners, and so forth - as you did for reasons that still elude me - then you get what is coming. > > Even guys like **adaher** who occasionally fabricate things, but generally know how to use his noggin, deserves a lot more respect than you. First off…it would help if you had a clue as to what Tea Party conservatism was. In a nutshell, Tea Party was conservatism that was pushing toward libertarianism. There were no neo-nazis or Klan involved. The liberal media built that idea up in order to discredit the Tea Party groundswell, which they felt (correctly) was a true political threat to Obama. The Tea Party was never an organized movement of any kind, it was simply conservatives wanting less government interference. And I gotta love your last sentence. It is a perfect example of the lack of common sense displayed by liberals in general. You claim that **adaher** fabricates things but is worthy of more respect than I am, whereas I have never fabricated anything. And when I have been proven wrong, I have admitted it and retracted the original statement. But what the hell, why let facts get in the way of a good rant, right? ---
**Author:** ![Ace309](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ace309/32/1050_2.png) [@Ace309](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ace309)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/203 "2017-03-13T14:54:49Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Something called **ckalli1998** hijacked the Pit thread about the Trumpster fire for _pages._ > > That’s a weird username. It’s exactly like someone writing “hijack” backwards, then masking it a bit. > > Hijack > kcajiH > ckalliH > ckalli1998 > > And clearly a determined hijacker. So: _Hi, Jack!_ That’s … something. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/204 "2017-03-13T14:54:54Z")
I vote non-troll. He reminds me of **Qin** during his “everyone’s a cuck” phase, in fact. Let’s keep him. > [@ckalli1998](#): > > Alright, I’m signing off for now. I’ve took enough abuse for one day:mad::mad::mad::mad: I suggest posting in Great Debates and the other more civil portions of the board. > [@Clothahump](#): > > …when I have been proven wrong, I have admitted it and retracted the original statement. No, you disappear from the thread and pretend it never happened. You are completely incapable of posting honestly or accurately on political topics - which is weird, because your non-political posts are perfectly normal and often interesting. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/205 "2017-03-13T15:03:41Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Just like the Democrats who say Cheeto in Chief, Agent Orange, Il Douche, and a variety of other childish putdowns? > > Although I haven’t heard him refer to to the party as anything other than Democrats or what they prefer to be called. Guess that makes him better than the opposition. He calls everyone who opposes him “the enemy”. He called Obama “bad” and “sick”, not to mention the years of birtherism. Hillary was a “criminal”. “Little Marco”. “Lyin’ Ted”. … need we go on? ---
**Author:** ![1iLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/1ileft/32/4114_2.png) [@1iLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/1iLeft)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/206 "2017-03-13T15:13:08Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > It was originally started by a rogue Hillary staffer So, more plagiarism from the so called President. You follow well. Watch out for the ditch. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/207 "2017-03-13T15:48:08Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > He called Obama “bad” and “sick”, not to mention the years of birtherism. > > Hillary was a “criminal”. And both of them “founded ISIS”. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/208 "2017-03-13T15:49:40Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > He calls everyone who opposes him “the enemy”. > > He called Obama “bad” and “sick”, not to mention the years of birtherism. > > Hillary was a “criminal”. > > “Little Marco”. > > “Lyin’ Ted”. > … need we go on? I think you need to re-read what I was responding to. It wasn’t what the President/President elect/Candidate was saying. ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/209 "2017-03-13T15:51:55Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Not all of them are idiots. Some are racists and bigots of various stripes. Some are extreme nationalists and xenophobes. Some are poor, poorly educated and easily mislead. Some are narrow minded single issue voters, lacking empathy for anyone but their own self interest. Some are chaos monkeys who just want to troll and watch the world burn. Add them all up and you get 63 million who, like you, are the Trump plurality. So if you voted for Trump you’re either a numbskull, selfish, xenophobic, bigoted, lacking empathy, or a chaos monkey. Don’t you liberals get it that you will never insult people into changing their minds? All of what you wrote is vile and false; there were some fringe characters supporting Trump, and there were some fringe characters who supported Hillary, like the [national head of the Communist Party USA](http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/jeffrey-lord/2016/09/03/communist-party-usa-endorses-hillary-media-yawns), which of course the media airbrushed away. You really are a tremendously hateful person if you believe that of all 63 million of your fellow Americans. I know some liberal Clinton voters I get along fine with, including my own mother. And I have never described the 65 million Americans who voted for Hillary as being a bunch of America-hating communism-worshipping hippie-haired ultra-leftist high tax-loving zealots, as that would be an unfair and inaccurate caricature. Some people were very scared of Trump (although I feel unreasonably so because of a Democratic scare campaign), realized Hillary wasn’t perfect but wanted her because they agreed with her liberal agenda, not because they’re evil. I’m sorry you’re such a bitter person. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/210 "2017-03-13T16:14:13Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > First off…it would help if you had a clue as to what Tea Party conservatism was. In a nutshell, Tea Party was conservatism that was pushing toward libertarianism. There were no neo-nazis or Klan involved. The liberal media built that idea up in order to discredit the Tea Party groundswell, which they felt (correctly) was a true political threat to Obama. The Tea Party was never an organized movement of any kind, it was simply conservatives wanting less government interference. I didn’t say the Tea Party was made up of neo-Nazis or Klanners. I said the Tea Party simply has crazy political ideas. I said that you, personally, have embraced being lumped in with neo-Nazis and the KKK. I’m still mystified as to why you thought that was a good idea. > [@](#): > > You claim that **adaher** fabricates things but is worthy of more respect than I am, whereas I have never fabricated anything. And when I have been proven wrong, I have admitted it and retracted the original statement. But what the hell, why let facts get in the way of a good rant, right? Well, **adaher** has an advantage in that he’s actually a nice guy. You pull your special snowflake “everyone here is a librul and is so mean to me” schtick on a routine basis, whereas he’s grown-up enough to have fun debating issues for their own sake. That’s why I pointed out that I have a lot more respect for him than you… even if we set aside your defenses of the term “wetbacks” and so on. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/211 "2017-03-13T16:19:51Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Just like the Democrats who say Cheeto in Chief, Agent Orange, Il Douche, and a variety of other childish putdowns? > > Although I haven’t heard him refer to to the party as anything other than Democrats or what they prefer to be called. Guess that makes him better than the opposition. As you’ll notice, the person I’m talking about makes references to liberalism being the foundation of Nazism. You think that’s more dignified than “Cheeto in Chief?” By the way, I think all those names are childish and speak to the weak character of the people who use them. But the lesson here, young man, is that you can be dignified or you can be childish. If you engage in name-calling, it is childish, no matter who did it first. Did your parents not tell you this in third grade? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/212 "2017-03-13T17:05:35Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > First off…it would help if you had a clue as to what Tea Party conservatism was. In a nutshell, Tea Party was conservatism that was pushing toward libertarianism. There were no neo-nazis or Klan involved. The liberal media built that idea up in order to discredit the Tea Party groundswell, which they felt (correctly) was a true political threat to Obama. The Tea Party was never an organized movement of any kind, it was simply conservatives wanting less government interference. > > And I gotta love your last sentence. It is a perfect example of the lack of common sense displayed by liberals in general. You claim that **adaher** fabricates things but is worthy of more respect than I am, whereas I have never fabricated anything. And when I have been proven wrong, I have admitted it and retracted the original statement. But what the hell, why let facts get in the way of a good rant, right? You admitted to responding falsely (also known as lying) to try and spin me up (also known as trolling). So yes, you’re an admitted liar. I’m still curious if you have a defense or explanation for your usage of ethnic slurs, though… maybe it’s just that you’re a hateful bigot? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/213 "2017-03-13T17:10:13Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > there were some fringe characters supporting Trump, and there were some fringe characters who supported Hillary, like the [national head of the Communist Party USA](http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/jeffrey-lord/2016/09/03/communist-party-usa-endorses-hillary-media-yawns), which of course the media airbrushed away. This, of course, wasn’t “airbrushed away” – it was reported extensively. But almost no one cares, because communists in the US have never had any extensive influence, and have never been responsible for mass atrocities in America. White supremacists like David Duke (who Trump at first pretended to not know who he was, despite criticizing him openly years before), on the other hand, are responsible for most of the worst atrocities in American history, including slavery, near-genocide of Native Americans, mass expulsion and forced migration, mass violence and terrorism against black people, segregation, Jim Crow, and much, much more. Thus their overwhelming and enthusiastic support for Trump is bigger news, especially when he _spent years spreading evidence-free and racist lies about Obama_, called Mexican immigrants “rapists”, said a judge was biased because of his ethnicity, and much, much more. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/214 "2017-03-13T17:16:29Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > No, you disappear from the thread and pretend it never happened. You are completely incapable of posting honestly or accurately on political topics - which is weird, because your non-political posts are perfectly normal and often interesting. So, was he being political when he called me a bigot? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/215 "2017-03-13T17:20:57Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > So, was he being political when he called me a bigot? It’s amusing that an unapologetic user of ethnic slurs calls someone a bigot. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/216 "2017-03-13T18:31:59Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > As you’ll notice, the person I’m talking about makes references to liberalism being the foundation of Nazism. You think that’s more dignified than “Cheeto in Chief?” Again, that’s not what I was responding to. But to answer your new line of thought (since the other didn’t to go so well, I presume) yes I do. I think the question of whether Nazism came out Liberal/Democrat thought versus Conservative/Republican thought is worthy of debate and discussion. Much more than Cheeto in Chief, Il Douche, and the like. > [@Ravenman](#): > > But the lesson here, young man, is that you can be dignified or you can be childish. If you engage in name-calling, it is childish, no matter who did it first. Did your parents not tell you this in third grade? Do you consider that a dignified response? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/217 "2017-03-13T18:56:46Z")
@ **HeweyLogan** - You responded to this: > [@Ravenman](#): > > You think the 66 million who voted for Clinton are libtards or whatever nonsense phrase you want to use today. > > What does that make you? With this: > [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Just like the Democrats who say Cheeto in Chief, Agent Orange, Il Douche, and a variety of other childish putdowns? > > Although I haven’t heard **him** refer to to the party as anything other than Democrats or what **they** prefer to be called. Guess that makes **him** better than the opposition. I responded to you with this: > [@QuickSilver](#): > > He calls everyone who opposes him “the enemy”. > > He called Obama “bad” and “sick”, not to mention the years of birtherism. > > Hillary was a “criminal”. > > “Little Marco”. > > “Lyin’ Ted”. > … need we go on? To which you replied with this: > [@HeweyLogan](#): > > I think you need to re-read what I was responding to. It wasn’t what the President/President elect/Candidate was saying. What exactly did I misunderstand? Break down the “him” and “they”, which I’ve highlighted, in your response. I’ll be glad to apologize if I’ve misunderstood your posts. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/218 "2017-03-13T19:07:55Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Mod believes it’s a troll. A step in the right direction. So should we start a pool for when the troll will be banned? A mod thinking or calling a poster a troll in the Pit doesn’t a ban make, though. There’s two very regular posters who have been posting for years who I am convinced are trolls ( **curlcoat** and **Fotheringay** ), but it doesn’t mean they’ll be banned any time soon. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/219 "2017-03-13T19:11:50Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > So if you voted for Trump you’re either a numbskull, selfish, xenophobic, bigoted, lacking empathy, or a chaos monkey. Don’t you liberals get it that you will never insult people into changing their minds? All of what you wrote is vile and false; there were some fringe characters supporting Trump, and there were some fringe characters who supported Hillary, like the [national head of the Communist Party USA](http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/jeffrey-lord/2016/09/03/communist-party-usa-endorses-hillary-media-yawns), which of course the media airbrushed away. You really are a tremendously hateful person if you believe that of all 63 million of your fellow Americans. I know some liberal Clinton voters I get along fine with, including my own mother. And I have never described the 65 million Americans who voted for Hillary as being a bunch of America-hating communism-worshipping hippie-haired ultra-leftist high tax-loving zealots, as that would be an unfair and inaccurate caricature. Some people were very scared of Trump (although I feel unreasonably so because of a Democratic scare campaign), realized Hillary wasn’t perfect but wanted her because they agreed with her liberal agenda, not because they’re evil. I’m sorry you’re such a bitter person. Yes, I believe that the overwhelming majority of Trump supporters are ill informed and selfish, but NOT evil. The rest are bigots, xenophobes, and chaos monkeys. I’m acquainted with a few Trump supporters and I’m happy to say that none of them are in the minority group (to the best of my knowledge). And may I remind you, the day you joined this board, you started mis-characterizing and lumping all liberals together. So don’t act so shocked, hurt and deeply saddened about how others react to you and your fellow Trump supporters. But I’ll tell you what, because I really want to believe that you genuinely are hurt by how others have called you out on your positions on various topics, and I really want to believe that you and other Trump supporters on this board want to be able to have a calm and reasoned dialogue about various issues without the insults or angry accusations, I’m considering opening a new thread topic where I will try to get people to contribute in a civil and more tempered tone. Not sure how that will go but you’re welcome to join and bring your friends and let us see if we can have a kumbaya moment. I’ll start it when I have a little time to put some thought into how to best frame it. Okay? ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/220 "2017-03-13T19:21:05Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Yes, I believe that the overwhelming majority of Trump supporters are ill informed and selfish, but NOT evil. The rest are bigots, xenophobes, and chaos monkeys. > > I’m acquainted with a few Trump supporters and I’m happy to say that none of them are in the minority group (to the best of my knowledge). > > And may I remind you, the day you joined this board, you started mis-characterizing and lumping all liberals together. So don’t act so shocked, hurt and deeply saddened about how others react to you and your fellow Trump supporters. > > But I’ll tell you what, because I really want to believe that you genuinely are hurt by how others have called you out on your positions on various topics, and I really want to believe that you and other Trump supporters on this board want to be able to have a calm and reasoned dialogue about various issues without the insults or angry accusations, I’m considering opening a new thread topic where I will try to get people to contribute in a civil and more tempered tone. Not sure how that will go but you’re welcome to join and bring your friends and let us see if we can have a kumbaya moment. I’ll start it when I have a little time to put some thought into how to best frame it. Okay? There we go. That’s a perfectly reasonable and the correct thing to do, to have a civil discussion between conservatives and liberals on major policy issues without ad hominem attacks. That’s what democracy is all about. However, I am saddened that you believe those acquaintances of yours who supported Trump or ill-informed or selfish. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922.md?page=12)