# Hi, Jack! (ckalli1998) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 11, 2017, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922 "2017-03-11T07:08:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/221 "2017-03-13T19:28:59Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > There we go. That’s a perfectly reasonable and the correct thing to do, to have a civil discussion between conservatives and liberals on major policy issues without ad hominem attacks. That’s what democracy is all about. The Pit is not for “civil discussions”, though occasionally they happen incidentally. The Pit is the place to point out things like plagiarism and cowardice, both of which you have engaged in multiple times in your posts. If you want people to treat you civilly, then you should start behaving civilly yourself – that means (at the very least) admitting that you plagiarized multiple times and apologizing for it without reservation or excuse. That means not making excuses for the inexcusable things Trump has said or done, like years of evidence-free racist lies about Obama. It doesn’t mean you have to stop being conservative, or even stop supporting Trump in general. If you do that, I’d be happy to treat you civilly, as I would treat any other civil coward. Now if you don’t want to be treated like a gutless coward, then you’ll stop advocating for putting other Americans in harm’s way when you’re not willing to share the risk personally. ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/222 "2017-03-13T19:35:22Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The Pit is not for “civil discussions”, though occasionally they happen incidentally. The Pit is the place to point out things like plagiarism and cowardice, both of which you have engaged in multiple times in your posts. If you want people to treat you civilly, then you should start behaving civilly yourself – that means (at the very least) admitting that you plagiarized multiple times and apologizing for it without reservation or excuse. That means not making excuses for the inexcusable things Trump has said or done, like years of evidence-free racist lies about Obama. It doesn’t mean you have to stop being conservative, or even stop supporting Trump in general. > > If you do that, I’d be happy to treat you civilly, as I would treat any other civil coward. Now if you don’t want to be treated like a gutless coward, then you’ll stop advocating for putting other Americans in harm’s way when you’re not willing to share the risk personally. I know that the BBQ Pit isn’t for civility, it expressly allows personal attacks. However I think it is ironic for you to lecture me on civility, considering how many times you called me a gutless coward whenever you got the chance ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/223 "2017-03-13T19:37:59Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > I know that the BBQ Pit isn’t for civility, it expressly allows personal attacks. However I think it is ironic for you to lecture me on civility, considering how many times you called me a gutless coward whenever you got the chance I treat civil people civilly. I treat unrepentant plagiarists and gutless cowards uncivilly. Not everyone deserves civility. I’m still willing to be civil to you on the off chance that you start behaving civilly. I’ll even knock of the gutless coward stuff if you show me that it’s not true. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/224 "2017-03-13T19:38:44Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > I know that the BBQ Pit isn’t for civility, it expressly allows personal attacks. However I think it is ironic for you to lecture me on civility, considering how many times you called me a gutless coward whenever you got the chance “Don’t start nothin’, won’t be nothin’.” - Agent J, MIB. ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/225 "2017-03-13T19:44:08Z")
This thread reminds me of how unfortunate it is that widespread use of the internet was fairly new when I turned 19 and that the sites I graced with my brilliant opinions and public statements no longer exist. It’s a damn shame. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/226 "2017-03-13T20:02:16Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > There we go. That’s a perfectly reasonable and the correct thing to do, to have a civil discussion between conservatives and liberals on major policy issues without ad hominem attacks. That’s what democracy is all about. > > However, I am saddened that you believe those acquaintances of yours who supported Trump or ill-informed or selfish. TLDR: right-wing bombthrower laments the incoming left-wing bombs. “Why does it have to be like this?” he asks. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/227 "2017-03-13T20:06:21Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > All of what you wrote is vile and false; there were some fringe characters supporting Trump, and there were some fringe characters who supported Hillary, like the [national head of the Communist Party USA](http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/jeffrey-lord/2016/09/03/communist-party-usa-endorses-hillary-media-yawns), which of course the media airbrushed away. [Snopes.](http://www.snopes.com/did-the-communist-party-of-the-usa-endorse-hillary-clinton/) The Communist Party USA did not endorse a candidate. They urged their follower (I need a cite that they have more than one) to vote against Trump. [Even in the statement](http://www.cpusa.org/article/unity-can-defeat-trump-new-dangers-and-new-opportunities/), Clinton’s name is only used twice: once in reference to the “lock her up” chant and once in reference to the “demonizing” of her. I don’t think that statement constitutes an endorsement. ---
**Author:** ![Crazy\_Canuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazy_canuck/32/5282_2.png) [@Crazy\_Canuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazy_Canuck)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/228 "2017-03-13T20:14:29Z")
So, Ckalli, let me tell you a couple of things I’ve learned over the years. First of all, if you ever use a number to prove that you are “a man” then you aren’t. It’s not about the years, it’s about the mileage. Secondly, if you are advocating military actions while refusing to risk your own precious little life … yeah, that qualifies you as a gutless coward. Especially since you’re not refusing to serve out of some higher moral calling, but sheer gutless self preservation. And finally, before you dismiss this advice as just the rant of another “lib-tard,” I’ll point out that I am a radical anarchist who thinks both sides are idiots for fiddling while Rome burns. I do like your moxie though, so I do hope you hang around FWIW. > [@QuickSilver](#): > > Some are chaos monkeys who just want to troll and watch the world burn. I’m totally stealing that line for my next set of business cards, and I’m kinda tempted now to change my username to Chaos Monkey. ---
**Author:** ![Crazy\_Canuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazy_canuck/32/5282_2.png) [@Crazy\_Canuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazy_Canuck)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/229 "2017-03-13T20:26:49Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > Would a troll back up his assertions with citations and links and fact-based arguments? Missed this, and wanted to point out the incredibly obvious. **Of course they would.** The best trolls are 80-90% sincere. They seem reasonable, open to change, and just don’t quite understand what the point of the argument is. Much like you are coming across here, amazingly enough. Only the dumb trolls go full retard. ---
**Author:** ![sleestak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@sleestak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sleestak)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/230 "2017-03-13T20:44:31Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > He’s an honor student, guys! An honor student!! I mean, that’s impressive! We should respect this honor student man!! Well, so far he appears to be smarter than 98% of the fucktards that post on the Dope. You included. Slee ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/231 "2017-03-13T20:45:47Z")
> [@Crazy\_Canuck](#): > > I’m totally stealing that line for my next set of business cards, and I’m kinda tempted now to change my username to Chaos Monkey. There’s already a **ChaosMonkey.** ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/232 "2017-03-13T20:52:48Z")
> [@Crazy\_Canuck](#): > > So, Ckalli, let me tell you a couple of things I’ve learned over the years. First of all, if you ever use a number to prove that you are “a man” then you aren’t. It’s not about the years, it’s about the mileage. Wait. It’s not about the inches either?!?! ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/233 "2017-03-13T21:02:34Z")
> [@sleestak](#): > > Well, so far he appears to be smarter than 98% of the fucktards that post on the Dope. You included. > > Slee So you’re saying 2% of the fucktards here are smarter than this kid? Which fucktards would that be specifically, just so I know which fucktards are smarter than an honest-to-goodness honor student? And do you consider all the people that post on the Dope fucktards, or is “fucktard” a subset of the whole? ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/234 "2017-03-13T21:41:21Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > No, you disappear from the thread and pretend it never happened. You are completely incapable of posting honestly or accurately on political topics - which is weird, because your non-political posts are perfectly normal and often interesting. That statement is completely incorrect. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/235 "2017-03-13T21:51:31Z")
No shit. You won’t go away, you could probably post honestly regarding politics but don’t because the facts do not lean your way, and you’re neither normal nor interesting. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/236 "2017-03-13T22:03:48Z")
> [@sleestak](#): > > Well, so far he appears to be smarter than 98% of the fucktards that post on the Dope. You included. > > Slee Big fan of plagiarism and cowardice, huh? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/237 "2017-03-13T22:21:51Z")
> [@Crazy\_Canuck](#): > > Missed this, and wanted to point out the incredibly obvious. **Of course they would.** The best trolls are 80-90% sincere. They seem reasonable, open to change, and just don’t quite understand what the point of the argument is. Much like you are coming across here, amazingly enough. Only the dumb trolls go full retard. There’s a small desk plaque I got from Disney Land about 45 years ago. It says “I know all the answers. Its the questions I don’t understand.” Then there’s like I told my niece and nephew, each upon their graduation from High School: “You think you know everything, because you know everything about your world. But your world is this big (hands to basketball size). The real world is the size of this planet and you’ll never know everything.” ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/238 "2017-03-13T22:38:50Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > There’s two very regular posters who have been posting for years who I am convinced are trolls ( **curlcoat** and **Fotheringay** )[…] Out of curiosity, did you make that assessment before or after you sent me the friend request? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/239 "2017-03-13T22:42:03Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > Out of curiosity, did you make that assessment before or after you sent me the friend request? **Idle Thoughts** has 803 SDMB friends (that’s just the ones who _accepted_). I’m pretty sure he sends a friend request to every single poster. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/240 "2017-03-13T22:43:28Z")
I’m aware he sends a lot of them. That’s one reason I ignored his request. But guys he’s convinced are trolls seems a bit much. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922.md?page=13)