# Hi, Jack! (ckalli1998) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 11, 2017, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922 "2017-03-11T07:08:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Debillw3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3bc359/32.png) [@Debillw3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debillw3)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2017, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/341 "2017-03-16T11:55:42Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > [Here ya go.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=20069326#post20069326) That’s oddly specific. What’s the technical difference between saying “fuck you” & “fuck off”? I mean, aren’t they both commands to go do the exact same thing? I’m not well versed on the slang of teenagers nowadays, so I could be wrong here, but that’s the way I understand it. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2017, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/342 "2017-03-16T12:00:46Z")
> [@Debillw3](#): > > That’s oddly specific. > > What’s the technical difference between saying “fuck you” & “fuck off”? I mean, aren’t they both commands to go do the exact same thing? Ask [Miller](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18828431&postcount=17). 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2017, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/343 "2017-03-16T13:04:16Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > **C’hump** says “fuck off” is shorthand for “welcome to my ignore list”. He keeps that up and eventually all he’ll see are posts by himself, **ck** , and a couple others. And the downside is…? ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2017, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/344 "2017-03-16T13:09:28Z")
> [@Debillw3](#): > > That’s oddly specific. > > What’s the technical difference between saying “fuck you” & “fuck off”? I mean, aren’t they both commands to go do the exact same thing? > > I’m not well versed on the slang of teenagers nowadays, so I could be wrong here, but that’s the way I understand it. Saying “fuck off” to someone means that you want them to go away and be an annoying asshole somewhere else, to someone else. It is not an insult like saying “fuck you” is. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2017, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/345 "2017-03-16T13:10:42Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Saying “fuck off” to someone means that you want them to go away and be an annoying asshole somewhere else, to someone else. It is not an insult like saying “fuck you” is. Is this kind of like how “wetback” isn’t a bigoted slur because reasons? ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2017, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/346 "2017-03-16T13:41:27Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Just a little friendly advice: > > So long as you feel the need to tell people your age as a means of validation, you are not yet a man. > > So long as you feel the need to tell people that you have taken honors courses as a means of validation, you are not yet educated. > > There are a lot of posters here who first started in college. I was one of them. When I go back and look at my first posts, they’re pretty cringeworthy. I had a weird idea, back then, of what constituted good writing. And yeah, I was an honors student. And yeah, I probably would have described myself as “a 19-year-old man.” And yeah, that would have been laughable. > > You’re a kid. Kids are dumb. It’s okay. > > If you have any intention of sticking around this board, do yourself a favor and don’t come back to this thread. Keep posting about the things that interest you, dial back the personal insults, and you’ll learn a thing or two. Eventually you’ll be forgiven for the douchery of your first few weeks. > > Or you won’t, and you’ll flame out and nobody will even remember you when they’re talking about the greatest trolls this board has seen. Those are **big** shoes, my friend. As long as we’re giving friendly advice to **ckalli1998** , here’s some more, this time from a fellow unabashed conservative (though not a Trump admirer) who has been around a while, based on my own experience here and elsewhere. [ol] [li]If you are a sensitive sort, who is troubled by being insulted, then stay out of political discussions (or leave the board entirely). There are things that will get you abused more versus less, but there is no possibility that you can avoid it entirely.[/li][li]When being attacked, never try to defend yourself. It won’t work and is extremely counterproductive. Not only will you be giving your attackers more rope to work with, but it will be perceived as weakness, and this will itself encourage even more bullies to pile on.[/li][li]When being attacked, you only have two options. Ignore it, or counterattack. The purpose of the latter is mostly if you happen to find that type of exchange entertaining. However, it’s also possible that over the long run it will deter a certain type of bully.[/li][li]To the last point, when counterattacking stick with insults which are actually true. While it might sometimes be tempting to just call someone a stupid idiot or similar, fact is that if the guy is in fact of above-average intelligence he is probably well aware of this based on his RL situation, and your assertion otherwise is just empty words. But most people do have weak points, character or personality flaws, and are far more sensitive about these, even if they don’t come off as forceful.[/li][li]When discussing your positions on issues, be careful not to overstate your case. Try to avoid exaggeration or over-certainty, as these will be seized on. Not to say that following this advice is a panacea, since even if you do, many of your opponents will pretend that you’ve overstated your case anyway, and you can get bogged down in denying this. Nonetheless, it’s better than actually being responsible for these positions.[/li][li]Despite everything, the first point above still stands. There are many conservatives who have found this board and everything that goes with it unpleasant and have bailed. There’s no shame in leaving the board and no honor in remaining. It’s purely a matter of personal taste.[/li][/ol] ---
**Author:** ![Debillw3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3bc359/32.png) [@Debillw3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debillw3)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2017, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/347 "2017-03-16T13:44:06Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Saying “fuck off” to someone means that you want them to go away and be an annoying asshole somewhere else, to someone else. As I said, I don’t speak fluent slang, but it reads to me like an order to go masturbate. “Fuck you” and “go fuck yourself” read the same. None of them seem to be insults, as they’re all commands (which can’t, by their very nature, be insulting). The only thing close to an insult would be calling someone a “fucker”, but I fail to see what’s insulting about telling someone that they’re sexually active. You kids and your crazy language. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2017, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/348 "2017-03-16T13:47:23Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > And the downside is…? Aren’t you supposed to be some sort of voice of reason in an attempt to keep this place from becoming a echo chamber of liberals? Seems counterproductive, not to mention hypocritical, to establish an echo chamber of your own by putting certain posts out of your sight. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2017, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/349 "2017-03-16T14:13:19Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Saying “fuck off” to someone means that you want them to go away and be an annoying asshole somewhere else, to someone else. It is not an insult like saying “fuck you” is. Fuck off, then. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2017, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/350 "2017-03-17T06:28:20Z")
Been busy all week. You guys still bitching about that worthless little fuck? ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2017, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/351 "2017-03-17T06:48:33Z")
Which one? There’s more than one worthless fuck posting in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2017, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/352 "2017-03-17T13:49:52Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Aren’t you supposed to be some sort of voice of reason in an attempt to keep this place from becoming a echo chamber of liberals? Seems counterproductive, not to mention hypocritical, to establish an echo chamber of your own by putting certain posts out of your sight. Not at all. If I eliminate people who are just childish assholes, then the remainder should be people capable of carrying on a rational debate. Granted, there may not be more than a dozen or so of us left, but it’s better than nothing. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2017, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/353 "2017-03-17T14:43:32Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Not at all. If I eliminate people who are just childish assholes, then the remainder should be people capable of carrying on a rational debate. Granted, there may not be more than a dozen or so of us left, but it’s better than nothing. All my attempts at rational debate with you have been ignored. When you think all liberals are either evil, stupid, dishonest, or otherwise malevolent, then rational debate seems rather impossible. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2017, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/354 "2017-03-17T15:10:47Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Not at all. If I eliminate people who are just childish assholes, then the remainder should be people capable of carrying on a rational debate. Granted, there may not be more than a dozen or so of us left, but it’s better than nothing. Yeah, keep telling yourself that. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > When you think all liberals are either evil, stupid, dishonest, or otherwise malevolent, then rational debate seems rather impossible. Apparently “rational debate” in Clothyland means “communing with my fellow Trump supporters”. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2017, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/355 "2017-03-17T15:18:20Z")
I went and looked at some of the stuff this guy has been posting just in the last few days, and now I feel like rather a bit of a tool for speaking to him as if he were a rational human being. ---
**Author:** ![Azeotrope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/0ea827/32.png) [@Azeotrope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Azeotrope)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2017, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/356 "2017-03-17T15:25:19Z")
Poster asks, [“Is Trump getting plump?”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=821763) Some say he’s a lump, others say he’s a frump. [Then our favorite new chump takes a dump](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20072912&postcount=17), then gets a thump on the rump with a warning for personal insults. Seriously, a “yo daddy so fat” crack? As if. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2017, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/357 "2017-03-17T15:31:56Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Not at all. If I eliminate people who are just childish assholes, then the remainder should be people capable of carrying on a rational debate. Granted, there may not be more than a dozen or so of us left, but it’s better than nothing. **Bone** **Sam Stone** **Bricker** **John Mace** (he disagrees, but too bad) **XT** **Martini Enfield** **PunditLisa** These are some of folks around here whose positions are far more conservative than mine, but with whom I can generally carry on a civilized, rational debate; I recognize that they reach their different positions not out of ignorance, but out of some different principles and a different understanding of the implications of the facts. Which leftists on the board do you think can carry on rational debate? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2017, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/358 "2017-03-17T15:33:24Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Which leftists on the board do you think can carry on rational debate? I predict a “fuck off” is headed your way. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2017, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/359 "2017-03-17T18:57:51Z")
> [@Azeotrope](#): > > Poster asks, [“Is Trump getting plump?”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=821763) Some say he’s a lump, others say he’s a frump. [Then our favorite new chump takes a dump](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20072912&postcount=17), then gets a thump on the rump with a warning for personal insults. > > Seriously, a “yo daddy so fat” crack? As if. You have a future as a _Variety_ headline writer. Or as the next Dr. Suess. ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2017, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922/360 "2017-03-17T19:03:56Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > **Bone** > **Sam Stone** > **Bricker** > **John Mace** (he disagrees, but too bad) > **XT** > **Martini Enfield** > **PunditLisa** > > These are some of folks around here whose positions are far more conservative than mine, but with whom I can generally carry on a civilized, rational debate; I recognize that they reach their different positions not out of ignorance, but out of some different principles and a different understanding of the implications of the facts. > > Which leftists on the board do you think can carry on rational debate? Your fucking mom is the only leftist I know good at carrying out debates, and we had a very satisfying one last night where we ended up debating whether have sexy anal sex or vaginal, and we decided to have good old, awesome pussy-busting sex. We both loved every minute of the debate, and the aftermath. I look forward to debating your mom again, **Left Hand of Dorkness**. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hi-jack-ckalli1998/781922.md?page=19)