Hidden Figures

ivylass, you might want to read look at this website, which I’ve already linked to once:

The character of Al Harrison (played by Kevin Costner) wasn’t a single real person. This composite character was based on three different people. Also, the segregation in the restrooms and the offices where people worked went away during the 1940’s and 1950’s, not during the 1960’s. The film mushed together events from a couple of decades. Hidden Figures is a good movie for showing you the general idea of what went on, but the details of the film aren’t remotely correct.

Yep, I read it, then realized I was too late to edit. I appreciate the link…lots of insight there. According to that link, Katherine didn’t encounter any racism at work and used whatever restroom she needed to.

I saw the movie a few weeks ago, and was curious enough about the story to get the book. What struck me was that virtually none of the incidents depicted in the film are found in the book. Thanks to the History vs. Hollywood link above, I now know why: the book had not been finished when the script was written. The film was based on a 55-page treatment that author Margot Lee Shetterly had submitted to the publisher. Shooting was already under way when the book was released.

From my (increasingly unreliable) memory, here are a few things that the movie either invented or took from sources other than Shetterly’s book:

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[li]The opening incident of the women being stopped by a cop on their way to Langley. [/li]
[li]The three women being particularly close friends and regularly commuting together. [/li]
[li]The whole business about Katherine having to run to another building to use the colored bathroom. By the mid-1950s, there were no colored bathrooms at Langley.[/li]
[li]Therefore Kevin Costner’s character (a fictional composite) never tore down a “colored” sign.[/li]
[li]Mary Jackson had to get special permission to take night engineering classes in the white high school, but the book says nothing about her going to court and persuading a racist judge with her powerful rhetoric. [/li]
[li]Katherine did calculate the re-entry formulas for Glenn’s mission to check them against the IBM’s results, but there was no last minute discrepancy and he didn’t refuse to get into the capsule until she okayed them. The book doesn’t even say that he specifically asked for her to check them, although other sources apparently do. [/li]
[li]Dorothy Vaughan was one of the first women, black or otherwise, to learn FORTRAN and to learn to use the early IBM computers, but she didn’t do it by slipping into the computer room at night and reading the manuals, thereby stumping the dumb guys who had installed it. Particularly egregious (IMHO) is the scene in which she grabs a meter probe, clips it to the one right wire in a rat’s nest of wires to get the thing to work right, and says something like, “It helps that my daddy was an electrical engineer.” Complete balderdash. [/li][/ul]And that’s just a few things I can recall off the top of my head. Of course, not all of them are particularly important.

This is not a historical anachronism or fictionalized incident, but the most ludicrous scene for me was the one in which Jim Parsons’ engineer character explains how Glenn’s capsule, unlike the previous sub-orbital missions, is going to orbit the earth. He uses the standard, “it’s falling, but the earth is also curving away under it, so it keeps on going” explanation that is typically given to grade-schoolers. But he’s talking to a roomful of NASA engineers! Okay, I get that the audience needs to have a basic understanding of what’s happening, but couldn’t he, or Katherine, have been shown explaining it too some kids or civilians instead? The idea that these engineers would need this dumbed-down pap completely took me out of the story.

So I’m somewhat torn about the movie. Not knowing anything about these women, I was as impressed and moved by the film as many others. The story of these women, and hundreds of others who worked with them, is incredible and has been hidden far too long. It is an important part of U.S. history that should be told.

But the film has made up so much of it from whole cloth that one has to be concerned that too many people will take every fictional detail as gospel. This is always the problem when Hollywood makes movies based on “true stories,” but after reading the book I was really troubled by how little correspondence there was between the “true story” as presented there and the film.

Now, since they didn’t have the finished book to work with, they have some excuse. And it makes sense, to a certain extent, to present dramatized accounts of the kind of prejudice and discrimination that all blacks experienced at that time, even successful, well-educated professionals.

Even if they had had the finished book, it is a work of history that covers much more than the primary three characters, and is not presented with the flowing narrative of a novel or screenplay. So some liberties would have been expected.

But after reading the book, I felt I had been deceived and manipulated by the film. It just went too far in overdramatizing the story, IMHO.

One final note. I am a writer and copy editor by profession. I have edited non-fiction writing from dozens of writers, and have, like most of us here, also read quite widely. Rarely have I read prose as well-written as Margot Lee Shetterly’s. Barely a page or two into the introduction, I was saying to myself, 'This is an amazing writer!"

I think most of us here understand the challenges of combining clarity, style, elegance, and accuracy in our writing, and Shetterly’s work has a grace and originality that is strikingly beautiful. Her expressions often verge on poetry, but always in service of the narrative, without being flashy, distracting, or self-indulgent. I frequently thought about some turn of phrase, “I’ve never thought of it that way, or heard anyone else put it like that.”

Her research also appears to have been extremely thorough. She worked for five years on it, interviewing hundreds of people. In the Kindle edition, the epilogue ends at 66%. The remaining one-third is notes.

And this is her first book! Needless to say, I *highly *recommend it. The film is good. The book is excellent.

Saw this last night. A good story that needed to be told, as it was likely never taught in American schools. Solid acting, as well.

As always, I have problems with anachronisms and sloppy prop department work. Using cars that weren’t made yet, and using the same vehicles in every scene was one thing, but I can get past that.

One of the first scenes in the film shows a very young Katherine doing mental math in her school class, with the teacher using a pocket calculator to check her. This would have had to have been in the 1940s, as the film takes place in 1961 when she is an adult with three children. Pocket calculators didn’t exist for the public until the 1970s.

Every scene in the 1957 Chevy that shows them driving has the car shift lever clearly in ‘park’, while we see moving scenery through the back window.

The worst one, though, is when Al calls for Katherine to check the IBM math for the reentry data. He runs over to the West building (which is at Langley, VA), she does the calcs, and they both run back to give them to Al at Mission Control (which is in Florida). That’s one hell of a run.

But despite all the prop and continuity errors, it was an entertaining effort.

The version I saw has the opening scene taking place in 1926, with Katherine walking along counting out the numbers, noting the primes. The next scene is her naming all the shapes on the stained glass window. The only classroom scene is Katherine solving the equation on the blackboard. It then jumps to 1961.

You’re not the only one to have noted the anachronistic calculator, so there must be different edits out there.

Was it an electronic pocket calculator? Because mechanical pocket calculators have been around for a lot longer. Although they were probably out of the price range of a high school teacher, especially at a black school.

It wasn’t the opening scene. I said it was one of the first scenes.

Sure looked like an electronic calculator; very slim. I liked that they came up with an actual functioning Monroe electro-mechanical calculator. I used one of those at a summer job in 1967. Long carriage with mechanical wheels that spun into place as the calculations were made. Weighed about as much as a Buick.

The Goofs webpage in the IMDb (linked below) lists a lot of anachronisms in the movie. Most of them are the sort that you’re unlikely to notice if you’re not an expert. For instance, there are a lot of cases where there was a car in a scene which wasn’t available until a couple of years later. If there really is a case where they showed a pocket calculator in a scene set in 1926, that’s an enormous mistake. They weren’t available until 50 years later. Did they really show a pocket calculator? How could they make a mistake that huge? Surely any adult knows that there weren’t even enormous computers that could do calculations as fast as a pocket calculator does today. Is it possible you misunderstood what was going on in the scene? Were they doing calculations on a pad of paper or on an abacus that you couldn’t see well?:

The teacher was pretty clearly holding a calculator and looking astonished that the child had gotten the correct answer. I can’t find any clips of that scene, so can’t be 100% sure. Perhaps the visual led my modern brain to a wrong conclusion, but I don’t know what else she could have been holding. Until the movie comes out for free, I’ll just have to wait.

The magical internet fairies just delivered a copy of the screener sent out to Academy voters. There’s no scene in the sepia-tinted young Katherine segment that matches your description. Like I said, there’s probably different edits out there.

Did you folks have the trailer to GIFTED before your screening? It’s about a little blond girl being raised by her uncle after his sister, the girl’s mother, dies. In that trailer the girl is sent to public school and the teacher asks some simple math question, which the girl snarkingly answers. To put the girl in her place the teacher asks a far more difficult math question, which the girl answers correctly, and the teacher checks via a calculator.

Beaten to the punch!
I was reading the calculator discussion, and I was all ready to jump in and suggest they may have seen this trailer before the screening. To make matters more confusing, Octavia Spencer is in both movies! (Although, Spencer does not appear in the calculator scene, that role is played by Mona-Lisa Saperstein, Jean-Ralphio’s sister).

I liked it after making allowances for the usual Hollywood heavy-handedness in historical films about race and gender and the equally cringe-inducing Hollywood conventions on science films. However the main characters rang true and overall in the oppressed minority/mathematics sub-genre I would rate it well above the Imitation Game and perhaps on par with the Ramanujan film.

I do wish filmmakers would handle such films with a defter touch though. For example instead of the silly bathroom sub-plot they should have gone with what actually happened:

That would be too subtle for Hollywood. Besides, they couldn’t have that scene with Kevin Costner whacking that Colored Women’s Room sign off of the wall.

A few months ago we binged on Manhattan, a highly fictionalized series about the bomb project. First episode, the main protagonist is being shown around Los Alamos by the boss so he (and the viewer) can get the lay of the land. Walking down the hall, Boss gestures towards a labeled door with the comment, “In there’s where we put the computers.” I said to DesertRoomie, "Back then ‘computers’ were people, not machines. Sure enough, a couple minutes later the door is opened to reveal eight or so (white) women.

The bathroom subplot was closer to the experiences of Janelle Monae’s character. They chose to fold it into the main character’s story for some reason. “Others had problems, but I seldom did,” doesn’t make a particularly compelling protagonist, I guess.

I just saw this, and got really mad when I discovered how much was made out of whole cloth. I’m glad that got aired out later in this thread.

As entertainment, it’s a perfectly enjoyable drama. As an inspirational tale of three black women succeeding in a very unexpected role, particularly at that time in history, it is a smashing success.

The problem is the dishonesty.

This movie is not dishonest about, as I had feared, how crucial and accomplished these three women were within the space program. That part’s true! And they should be far better known, taught in every school.

But apparently almost all of the incidents of racism and hostility from white coworkers were fabricated to gin up drama; within NASA, they were generally treated professionally and courteously, as peers. So to throw those coworkers under the bus is really scurrilous. Sure, I understand that a movie simply showing the three of them going to work and doing a good job with their equations and such would not be terribly exciting. You might even question whether there’s really a movie there at all. But slander is not the answer.

Think of a family in which Great Grandpa (almost certainly dead now and not able to defend himself) was one of those engineers in the white shirts and skinny ties. That might have really been a point of pride. But now the world has been told that Great Grandpa was actually a bigot who created a hostile work environment for these women. (Maybe Great Grandma as well, given the Kirsten Dunst character.)

I’ve been disappointed many times before with the historical inaccuracy of a film. This one is especially painful because the positive story it tells is true and incredibly moving (I got really teary at the end, when the real women were shown and their later accomplishments described). But I can’t in good conscience recommend such a slanderous film: it would be like giving a B or a C to a partially plagiarized paper, with the rationale that some of it was high quality original work. Nope, it’s all irredeemably tainted by the purposeful dishonesty.

From my reading, everything actually happened to one or more of the characters, they just transposed some of it from one to the other or from earlier to later. That’s not nearly so bad as what you describe, and doesn’t affect my appreciation for the movie.

I’m absolutely fine with seeing Katherine Johnson get a Medal of Freedom and a movie. Bottom line, though, is that she was just one of hundreds, maybe THOUSANDS of people doing vital but unglamorous work for NASA. There were countless nerds working out problems on slide rules and brainstorming. Most of them were as valuable in one way or another as Katherine Johnson, but we will never see a movie about them. We will never know their life stories. They’ll never get any medals.

No single one of them was crucial or irreplaceable. Neither was Katherine Johnson. All were doing important work, but I’d be astonished if John Glenn knew the names of more than a few of them.

I’ll clarify this – I read that one of the ladies did indeed have problems with finding a colored ladies’ room at some point, including having to walk across the campus to find one, and this was later fixed, but there probably was no dramatic moment with the director taking an axe to the segregated bathroom signs.

For a movie, though, that seems like a pretty mundane sort of Hollywood conceit. Ramp up and compress the drama on real-life truths – that of the black mathematicians being unable to easily find nearby bathroom facilities at NASA.

I’m talking about hostility from white colleagues, like the Jim Parsons or Kirsten Dunst characters.