High School Student "Free Speech" Case Before SCOTUS

Yes, and I brought it up for a reason. I’ve taught a fair number of 14-year-olds, and while their signatures are not legally binding, they certainly understand rules and policies, which was my point: Levy understood the rules, and by applying to be on cheer, she at least tacitly agreed to them.

Don’t be too sure. Accordubg to WaPo, Roberts wrote the decision on Morse v. Frederick (aka “Bong Hits 4 Jesus”) that upheld the rights of schools to discipline students for speech off-campus. Thomas, in Morse, wrote that the Constitution “does not protect student speech in public schools.” And

Justice Sonia Sotomayor, as a judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit, joined an opinion that sided with school administrators who barred a student from running for student council after she wrote in a blog post that officials were “douchebags” for interfering with a battle of the bands concert.

Those who assume that Levy’s Snap wasn’t injurious to other students may want to think again. It was her fellow cheerleaders took umbrage–“fuck cheerleading” seemed personal to those who were, in fact, cheerleading. That’s Levy’ opinion, and she’s entitled to it, but she’s not entitled to publicly (and as others have noted, any social media post is public) diss her squad mates after agreeing not to do so.

It’s not the “anti-free speech side” at all. I’ve stood up for high school students’ rights to freedom of speech a number of times, most of which dealt with students’ political beliefs. But unlike adults, high school students’ rights to free speech is balanced against other compelling interests. For instance, you have the right to wear a tee shirt advertising your favorite brand of beer; a high school student does not have the right to wear such a shirt in school.

Who, if anyone, is helping the school district with legal bills? I don’t know, but a coalition of anti-bullying organizations have filed amicus briefs.

@nelliebly : Yes, that was an overly snide characterization on my part. Withdrawn.

Looking up in Websters it seems it was originally short for “University”. So it probably started as the main team that represented the University or school.

See, that’s exactly the problem I have. If it’s offered as an actual class, then it should be an obligation. You can take a different class for your math credit, too. But that doesn’t mean I’d support having a contract you’d have to sign that said you couldn’t say “fuck calculus” to get into that class.

Such a contract treats these classes like they are some sort of private club situation rather than a class offered in a public education context. I am aware that the courts have decided that some classes get treated differently than others. I just do not agree with that.

If cheer is not entitled to being treated like a full class, it shouldn’t be offered in a class slot as part of the school day. Same with every other class with extracurricular activities. Other sports, band, choir, etc. Either they are part of providing a public education (which I believe they are) or they are not.

This is, of course, just my opinion. It’s my reaction to how schools often overly inflate the importance of sports, forgetting that they are just classes like any other. Cheer in particular is still too often treated like a popularity contest–a club of people who are “better.”

And that to me is what this whole thing smells of—that cheerleaders need to be “better” by not swearing. Not just while in uniform or at school, but EVER.

Interestingly, the University of Toronto’s student newspaper is called the “Varsity,” and the university’s sports teams are known as “Varsity Blues.” Since the university had trademarked “Varsity Blues,” there was a bit of a legal kerfuffle with Paramount Pictures over the use of Varsity Blues as the title for a 1999 film.

The suit was settled; the university received an undisclosed amount of money, and Paramount established eight scholarships. And in the fine print on DVD cases and end credits, there is a notice that the film is not endorsed by the University of Toronto, and the university had nothing to do with the film.

Do we have any evidence to suggest that cheerleading is offered as an actual class at that school? It is in some places, but not everywhere. The Student Handbook for Mahanoy Area Jr/Sr High School (PDF!) seems to place cheerleading in the same category as Ski Club, Student Council, and Teens Against Tobacco (I doubt those are actual credit-bearing classes), and the Course Selection Guide (also PDF!) makes no mention of it.

I’m imagining job and college interviews a few years in the future.

“Can you tell us about a time when you faced adversity?”

“Well, when I was 14 I posted some stupid stuff on the internet and got thrown off the cheerleading squad”.

(chuckles) “Well, we all do dumb things when we’re young. How did you handle that situation and what do you think you learned from it?”

“Well, I had a long talk with my parents about it…”

(chuckles) “I’ll bet you did”

“…and they sued the school board to get me back on the team!”

(stunned silence)
“Well, it was nice to meet you. I’ll keep your application on file and we’ll reach out if we have any further questions.”

I wouldn’t be surprised if in ten years she’s suing her parents for making her unemployable by any company that knows how to use Google.

Why do you think she would be unemployable? I don’t get that conclusion from reading what you wrote, let alone from the actual facts of the case.

ETA: BTW, she’s already in college.

A lawsuit-wary company might be loathe to hire somebody who has shown a willingness to air grievances publicly and settle disputes via lawsuit.

Well, I certainly wouldn’t want to employ someone whose threshold for suing authority figures was that low. I’m sure she won’t literally be unemployable, but I’m also sure she will miss out on some opportunities she could have had if this wasn’t on the internet.

Having listened to the oral arguments earlier today (here’s a link to the PDF transcript), I think there’s a decent chance that this distinction might enter into the court’s decision. There seemed to be some willingness, among some of the justices, to draw a line between core school activities related to education, and extra-curricular stuff that is voluntary.

There was also a discussion, related to this, on the issue of what conditions the school imposed on the cheerleading students, and whether the student in question violated the conditions that she had agreed to when she joined the cheerleading team. Here’s the student’s lawyer, David Cole, responding to a question from Clarence Thomas about the distinction between regular school activities and extra-curricular activities:

The general sense I got from the oral arguments was that the court is probably not going to give the student the unequivocal victory she had at the lower courts, but that the court is also not going to give schools excessively wide latitude to police off-campus speech. The judges really struggled with the issue of exactly what sort of test they should put in place here, and the way that the reach and ubiquity of technology effectively erase the “school-house gate” that was the fundamental demarcation line in the Tinker v. Des Moines case from 1969.

There was also quite a bit of discussion about exactly what constitutes disruption, and the school district’s counsel, Lisa Blatt, got tied up in knots by a few of the judges on exactly what types of speech a school could or could not regulate under Tinker. At one stage, Elena Kagan said to her:

Quite a few of the justices seemed pretty incredulous at the school’s reaction to this student’s outburst, suggesting that the school and the cheerleading coaches need to get a thicker skin. Here’s Brett Kavanaugh:

Anyway, as I said above, I think the court is going to struggle to come up with some sort of standard here that doesn’t hamstring the schools, but that also leaves considerable space for students’ speech rights off campus. I’m not sure exactly how they’re going to do that, and I really don’t envy them the task.

By the way, if anyone wants to read a really nice book about the history of these school speech issues and other aspects of school authority in American constitutional law, I highly recommend The Schoolhouse Gate: Public Education, the Supreme Court, and the Battle for the American Mind, by Yale law professor Justin Driver.

Wait. THOMAS ASKED A QUESTION?? That’s the craziest thing in this thread so far. What does this bring his lifetime total to, five or something?

It largely depends on the form of social media. Something like Twitter? Yeah, that’s a public venue. Anyone can see what you write, unless you use a private message (in other words, how it works on the SDMB).

Facebook depends. You can put things up for everyone to read, if you want. But, by default, all your posts are only visible by the people you have added as friends. However, there are also some public pages you can post on that will go to everyone, and any comments on a public post will be visible to everyone.

Instachat appears to just be a way to have a group text or chat room. It is thus clearly entirely private. It would be the equivalent of passing notes to each other at a bar.

Oh, and of course I think government employees should be more restricted than children. A government employee has voluntarily chosen to work for the government. To some extent, the government then acts like a private employer, which can include the ability to fire people who cause the employer harm.

Children have no choice but to go to school. Thus their situation is closer to you or I being told by the government what to do. There is some additional granted authority for what is necessary to run a school, but that’s it. And there’s very little argument that what the student says or does outside of school is required for schooling.

I know there was a time as a kid that I thought that, being minors, we didn’t have freedom of speech. I since found out I was quite wrong. We had more freedom than even the teachers did.

The biggest example I remember was when I learned we kids could publicly pray in school. The teachers couldn’t. We had freedom of religion. They were actors of the state and thus could not be seen as compelling any particular religion. We could lead our Bible club in prayer. The teacher could not.

Actually, one of the most interesting consequences of the shift to telephonic arguments during the pandemic is that Thomas has been very involved over the past year.

It’s not low, though. It’s a rather unreasonable thing the school did. And it is a rather important constitutional question.

What you say goes both ways. The school’s action is such an overreaction that I would be wary of being employed by anyone who thought that the student shouldn’t have fought back. I’d be concerned they would similarly overreact to things of little significance. Heck, I’d be concerned they’d also think the word “fuck” was the worst thing ever.

Oh, no question, I would never employ anyone associated with the school’s decision to either punish her or defend against her lawsuit, either. I really keep going back and forth about which side is being more ridiculous here.

Got it in one.

But, here’s my opinion on the legal side. IANAL.


Here the state of Pennsylvania refuses to allow its citizen to exercise the privilege of participating in the extracurricular atheletic activity of cheerleading, except on condition that she refrain from disrespecting her school, coaches, teachers, and peers, and that she refrain from using foul language and inappropriate gestures.

Said citizen brings action in federal court under 42 U.S.C. § 1983, which provides a civil cause of action for deprivation of rights under color of law. In granting jurisdiction the Court must first determine whether the defendants deprived plaintiff of her rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitutions and federal laws; second, whether the defendants did so under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage of the state of Pennsylvania. I do not think this case involves deprivation of rights secured by the Constitution or federal law, and so do not reach the second prong.

The privilege of a public education is not a fundamental right under that document. Plyer v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202 (1982). San Antonio Independent School District v. Rodriguez , 411 U.S. 1 (1973). “Clearly, since the Supreme Court has held that there is no fundamental right to public education, there is no fundamental right to participate in intercollegiate athletics, a component of public education.” Bowers v. Nat’l Collegiate Athletic Ass’n, 475 F.3d 524, 557 (3rd Cir. 2007, citations omitted).

The privileges or immunities clause of the Fourteenth Amendment applies to “privileges or immunities” of the United States, to be distinguished from privileges and immunities of the individual states. The privilege of participating in extracurricular activities is one ultimately bestowed upon plaintiff by the sovereign state of Pennsylvania, which operates the school she attends. As such, is not properly a “privilege” within the meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment. Further, it is only bestowed on the condition that she abides by the above mentioned conduct; even if this clause did apply, as I think it would in combination with the “privileges and immunities” clause, there is no underlying “privilege” to participate without abiding by such conduct.

Perhaps this is why plaintiff claims her right to freedom of speech, as protected by the First Amendment. The relevant text reads,

“Congress shall make no law […] abridging the freedom of speech,”

Longstanding jurisprudence assumes that “freedom of speech […] [is] among the fundamental personal rights and ‘liberties’ protected by the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment from impairment by the States.” Gitlow v. New York, 268 U.S. 652, 666 (1925). That clause, in turn, reads,

“nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;”

I personally believe the “privileges or immunities” clause is the proper vehicle for incorporation. Either way, the state of Pennsylvania may not abridge the freedom of speech. But has the plaintiff’s “liberty” to speak freely been deprived?

Plaintiff’s participation in cheerleading is a voluntary activity. Unlike school attendance, which is mandatory accoring to law, the state imposes no fine or penalty on students who forego participation in cheerleading. She seeks to have the Court safeguard her “liberty” to participate in this voluntary, extracurricular activity without being limited by the code of conduct, but no reasonable Court would construe the Constitution so as to protect her “liberty” to participate in cheerleading activities without attending the required practice meetings or vocalizing reasonable cheers. If she wishes to exercise her freedom to express vulgarities or flash disrespectful symbols, the state cannot and does not attempt to stop her. The one year suspension from participating in extracurricular activities does not amount to a restriction on any fundamental personal right or liberty protected by the Fourteenth Amendment. Nor does it abridge a privilege or immunity of the United States (explained above).

For these reasons, I would dismiss the case for lack of jurisdiction. I would not address the question of whether states may regulate student speech outside of the school setting.

~Max

Only one side pursued this all the way to the Supreme Court.

I picked up on that as well, but I don’t understand why there is such a distinction. States don’t have mandatory education laws simply to be oppressive. Given that there is a good reason for mandatory education laws, I feel that the government can then enact reasonable rules surrounding the education environment, and the rules have to be reasonable even with voluntary school activities. It shouldn’t be able to say that only Republicans can be on the cheer squad.

Further, we are talking about a 14 year old child. The government can’t punish me for saying “fuck Joe Biden” but acting in a parental capacity, it can certainly tell a young child not to use that sort of language. I disagree with Kavanaugh. If a kid shows that sort of disdain for the team, then she shouldn’t be on it. I mean, you could completely cut her if she showed a poor attitude at practice, so why can’t you do it when she outright says it?

This is a Clarence Thomas dream idea of the Fourteenth Amendment, but I think it is unduly crabbed. You could substitute almost anything there. If she were a Muslim and they threw her off the team for that reason, you could equally say that as the state didn’t throw her in jail, she was not deprived of any liberty protected by the Constitution.

Sorry for the triple post, but the in school/out of school distinction makes little sense in the social media context. If a student, at school lunch, posts something on Facebook, that would be actionable, but if he does it at home a half hour after school, the very same post wouldn’t be. Or he could walk three feet off of school property and flip off the coach and that is out of school speech, but if the kid misjudged the property line and was actually three feet inside the boundary, then it is fully punishable.

And like in this case, if the kid told the coach “fuck football” at practice he could be cut, but if he said the same thing at home it turns into a protected liberty, even though his attitude and the harm to the team is exactly the same. I think that as long as the government is not being oppressive, and not regulating speech based upon protected traits like race or religion, then it should have the power to conduct its activities like any other organization. If it cannot, then government organizations will by definition be less efficient (another thread :slight_smile: ) than private organizations who always use “free speech” against those in the organization’s sphere.