# Hilary Clinton and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Personal E-mail Account **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 3, 2015, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092 "2015-03-03T14:10:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2015, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/561 "2015-03-31T22:14:19Z")
It is good to see bold defiance on a message board, it reminds us that courage exists even without consequences. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2015, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/562 "2015-03-31T22:21:45Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Investigations are good…when based upon probable cause. Without that, they are politically-motivated fishing expeditions, and no one should be compelled to “cooperate” with their own harassment. > > Eric Holder went through the same thing: Congress demanded to see all of his files, even those not relevant to the controversy that was supposedly under investigation. Holder, very rightly, told them no. Hillary doesn’t have to cooperate, or fully cooperate, or partially cooperate, with criminal, civil, or Congressional investigations. Her actions will still be discussed by the voting public. Eric Holder? Eric “Fast and Furious” Holder? The same Eric Holder who was found in contempt of Congress for refusing to turn over documents tied to the botched Fast and Furious gun-running operation? The Eric Holder who was granted Executive Privilege, by Obama, to prevent him from talking about his, or Obama’s, participation in an illegal gun-running operation? What does he have to do with Hillary’s emails? ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2015, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/563 "2015-04-01T01:32:48Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Hillary doesn’t have to cooperate, or fully cooperate, or partially cooperate, with criminal, civil, or Congressional investigations. Her actions will still be discussed by the voting public. This is true. And the voting public doesn’t have the right to examine her personal email either. > [@](#): > > Eric Holder? Eric “Fast and Furious” Holder? The same Eric Holder who was found in contempt of Congress for refusing to turn over documents tied to the botched Fast and Furious gun-running operation? The Eric Holder who was granted Executive Privilege, by Obama, to prevent him from talking about his, or Obama’s, participation in an illegal gun-running operation? What does he have to do with Hillary’s emails? An investigating committee of the House of Representatives tried to obtain his papers, documents, files, and records…without probable cause…and were told no. There is no obligation for anyone to cooperate with an improper investigation. If Congress could demand to see any Administration branch documents, then the separation of powers would be severely undermined. What if the FBI were to demand to look at a Congressman’s files, without probable cause, just because they’re conducting an investigation? Would you insist that the Congressman turn over all his documents and cooperate with the investigation? Why should Administration officials be subject to such an unreasonable demand? ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2015, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/564 "2015-04-01T02:38:29Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > You could ask your English teacher about nouns and adjectives if you don’t believe me. > > Or you could continue pouting and reflexively denying everything you’re told - it’s your choice. Rein that back, Elvis. Heck, everyone keep it together. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2015, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/565 "2015-04-01T02:43:30Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Right at the opening, the Senate Majority Leader refers to the “Democrat” budget. This wasn’t at a political rally, or on talk radio, it was on the Senate Floor. > > [Senate Debate on 2016 Republican Budget Plan | C-SPAN.org](http://www.c-span.org/video/?324962-4/senate-debate-2016-republican-budget-plan) And he was, typically, being insulting. > [@D\_Anconia](#): > > And last week in the Senate Budget Committee, Sen. Sessions refers to his “Democrat” colleagues. > > [Senate Fiscal Year 2016 Budget Markup, Day 1 | C-SPAN.org](http://www.c-span.org/video/?324893-1/senate-committee-markup-fiscal-year-2016-budget-resolution) @ approximately 40:30 A member of the Democratic party is a Democrat and no one has claimed otherwise. You score no points by trying to change the terms under discussion. > [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > People almost never use the term “republican”, so there’s little if any room for confusion. “democratic” is quite common. > > [In addition, there’s not much alternative. The term “Democrat” is in common use by members of the Democratic Party and neutral people. I don’t see any similar alternatives for “Republican”.] This is disingenuous. One refers to a member of the Democratic Party as a Democrat and no one claims otherwise. The insulting phrase is “Democrat Party” and you score no more points than your predecessor by trying to change the terms of the discussion. > [@adaher](#): > > They were told to be sensitive about the most minor insult ever, so they dutifully take offense. Republicans meanwhile, don’t even bother to get insulted at “Repugs”, “Rethuglicans”, “Teabaggers”, etc. This is utterly inaccurate. It is possible that you, personally, have not expressed offense, but several of your political associates have. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2015, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/566 "2015-04-01T02:45:02Z")
That said, the following comments are out of line. Take insults to The BBQ Pit. > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > . . . that the speaker’s maturity level is below that which demands respect. > [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > That sounds a lot like oversensitivity to me. > > All I can say is you guys have chosen the right MB for yourselves. Safety in numbers. > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > If you think casual, juvenile, even thoughtless insults help advance \*any \*discussion, then a message board devoted to _fighting_ ignorance is always going to be hostile territory for you. > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > The one where you claim those _pointing out_ your ignorance and immaturity are just being oversensitive? [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2015, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/567 "2015-04-01T05:31:39Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > A member of the Democratic party is a Democrat and no one has claimed otherwise. You score no points by trying to change the terms under discussion. You didn’t mention my third example where the presiding officer recognized Senator Reid as the Democrat Leader. Mr. Reid could have easily said “Mr. President, I request that the Chair refer to me as the Democratic Leader.” The Chair would have said “without objection”, and they both would have moved on. Senator Reid didn’t even bother. I don’t why this is a sticking point on an internet message board, when the alleged difference between “Democrat” and “Democratic” isn’t even remarked upon by the party’s own leadership. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2015, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/568 "2015-04-01T05:37:29Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I am not a senator. I would prefer you use “Democratic.” How about it? Missed this one yesterday, but you make a fair request. I, too, am not a Senator. I would prefer you\* use “Republican”. How about it? \*Not js, the generic you. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2015, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/569 "2015-04-01T07:07:46Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > You didn’t mention my third example where the presiding officer recognized Senator Reid as the Democrat Leader. . . The presiding officer was speaking inaccurately, and probably with deliberate provocation. Senator Reid is the Democratic Leader, the ranking member of the Democratic Party. That’s the party’s name. You can read it on their letterhead and everything. > [@D\_Anconia](#): > > . . . I would prefer you\* use “Republican”. How about it? . . . Of course. That’s the proper name. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2015, 9:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/570 "2015-04-01T09:57:50Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > You didn’t mention my third example where the presiding officer recognized Senator Reid as the Democrat Leader. > > Mr. Reid could have easily said “Mr. President, I request that the Chair refer to me as the Democratic Leader.” The Chair would have said “without objection”, and they both would have moved on. Senator Reid didn’t even bother. > > I don’t why this is a sticking point on an internet message board, when the alleged difference between “Democrat” and “Democratic” isn’t even remarked upon by the party’s own leadership. You are still changing the terminology. He did not say “the leader of the Democrat party.” I have already noted that the word Democrat correctly identifies a member of the Democratic Party. You are trying to weasel away from the issue by changing terms. And this hijack is now at an end. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2015, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/571 "2015-04-01T16:39:28Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > You are still changing the terminology. He did not say “the leader of the Democrat party.” I have already noted that the word Democrat correctly identifies a member of the Democratic Party. You are trying to weasel away from the issue by changing terms. > > And this hijack is now at an end. > > [/Moderating] Can you clarify this? Are you saying that - having made several assertions of your own on the subject and called people’s posts disingenuous etc. - that anyone who responds to your posts on the subject is now in violation of moderator instructions? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2015, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/572 "2015-04-01T16:57:24Z")
nm - he’ll just deny it. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2015, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/573 "2015-04-01T17:00:13Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > If there’s nothing to it, cooperation would end it. Benghazi, son. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2015, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/574 "2015-04-01T17:13:31Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > nm - he’ll just deny it. > > Regards, > Shodan This was actually a genuine request for clarification. It’s hard to imagine that he would do this type of thing, but OTOH it’s hard to imagine what else he might have meant. Personally, I would like to respond to his assertion that I was being disingenuous - which I believe was based on his misinterpreting my words and ignoring their context - but don’t want to get involved in rules violations. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2015, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/575 "2015-04-01T19:06:00Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > Can you clarify this? Are you saying that - having made several assertions of your own on the subject and called people’s posts disingenuous etc. - that anyone who responds to your posts on the subject is now in violation of moderator instructions? This can be discussed in ATMB. ETA: Clarification: A discussion regarding whether “Democrat Party” is insulting can be taken up in a new thread rather than further hijacking this one. A discussion of the Mod Notes may be taken up in ATMB. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2015, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/576 "2015-04-01T20:08:22Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > This is true. And the voting public doesn’t have the right to examine her personal email either. > > An investigating committee of the House of Representatives tried to obtain his papers, documents, files, and records…without probable cause…and were told no. There is no obligation for anyone to cooperate with an improper investigation. (post shortened) It was Hillary’s poor choice to store government emails, and her personal emails, on the same non-government server. The voting public does have a right to view her government emails, and it should not Hillary’s choice to decide which emails are the governments, and which emails are hers. An exception applies for those people who believe that Hillary must never be questioned. 😃 IIRC, the investigation of the Fast and Furious operation led to Eric Holder’s Just-Us dept… Requesting Just-Us dept., and Holder’s, records would be part of a proper investigation. The down-side to all this is that I don’t believe Eric “Fast and Furious” Holder can be trusted to investigate himself, or Hillary, even if it is his job. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2015, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/577 "2015-04-01T20:17:16Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > An exception applies for those people who believe that Hillary must never be questioned. 😃 Do you believe I fall into this camp? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2015, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/578 "2015-04-01T20:21:09Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > The voting public does have a right to view her government emails, and it should not Hillary’s choice to decide which emails are the governments, and which emails are hers. Why not? Apparently, Republicans are on the honor system when they say they never use personal accounts for government business; why can’t we demand to see all of Ted Cruz’s personal emails, just to be certain there are no government emails mixed in there? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2015, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/579 "2015-04-01T20:56:03Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Do you believe I fall into this camp? No. I’m under the impression that you were asking that Hillary not be treated like every other politician. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2015, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/580 "2015-04-01T21:00:44Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > No. I’m under the impression that you were asking that Hillary not be treated like every other politician. I suppose that’s true. In actuality, I’m asking that she, and all other politicians, be treated the same way, but not the way they’re currently treated. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092.md?page=30)