# Hilary Clinton and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Personal E-mail Account **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 3, 2015, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092 "2015-03-03T14:10:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 42
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2015, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/821 "2015-04-15T04:59:35Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Unfortunately for **adaher** , all of this being “suspected of wrongdoing” has led to nothing, despite investigation after investigation. But none of that factual stuff the libtards keep insisting on matters; only that she continues to be “suspected” and therefore must be guilty of something. > > As the dear, departed Ann Landers used to say, “Wake up and smell the coffee, Buttercup.” I’ve mentioned many times that she never actually steps over the line into illegality, or at least makes sure she can’t be caught if she does. But I don’t think she deleted the emails to cover up a crime. She did it to cover up embarrassing emails that could be used against her in the coming campaign. But that’s neither here nor there. She is non-transparent, and she lies. A lot. That’s the immediate cause of her plunging poll numbers and I can live with that. I neither need nor want her to go to jail or drop out of the race. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2015, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/822 "2015-04-15T05:06:39Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I’ve mentioned many times that she never actually steps over the line into illegality, or at least makes sure she can’t be caught if she does. But I don’t think she deleted the emails to cover up a crime. She did it to cover up embarrassing emails that could be used against her in the coming campaign. Or she did it because there was no compelling reason to keep them. You are assuming she committed nefarious deeds because you want her to be a bad guy. > [@](#): > > But that’s neither here nor there. She is non-transparent, and she lies. A lot. Specific examples? Is this gonna be about the sniper? > [@](#): > > That’s the immediate cause of her plunging poll numbers and I can live with that. I neither need nor want her to go to jail or drop out of the race. Sure. I’m betting the idea of an actually accomplished person going up against the clownfarts stumblefucking through the GOP primary season isn’t in the least disheartening for someone who intends to cast a check in the box marked R. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2015, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/823 "2015-04-15T05:13:54Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Or she did it because there was no compelling reason to keep them. You are assuming she committed nefarious deeds because you want her to be a bad guy. And you are assuming she simply deleted them because there was no need to keep them, and that she had a private server because she had nothing to hide. If I actually believed you were that naive, it would be cute. > [@](#): > > Specific examples? Is this gonna be about the sniper? 1. Her excuses for the private server-“I wanted the convenience of one device”. She had multiple devices. 2. “The private emails were things like correspondence with my husband”. Her husband doesn’t use email. He’s sent two in his life. But thanks for the Bosnia thing, and the “Dead broke” comment also comes to mind. THe public does not view her as honest and I doubt she can overcome that trust gap. > [@](#): > > Sure. I’m betting the idea of an actually accomplished person going up against the clownfarts stumblefucking through the GOP primary season isn’t in the least disheartening for someone who intends to cast a check in the box marked R. Experience has almost always been a losing argument in elections for all but incumbents. Integrity and change always beat experience. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2015, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/824 "2015-04-15T05:21:28Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > And you are assuming she simply deleted them because there was no need to keep them, and that she had a private server because she had nothing to hide. If I actually believed you were that naive, it would be cute. I assume that she turned over what was required. Prove otherwise. > [@](#): > > 1. Her excuses for the private server-“I wanted the convenience of one device”. She had multiple devices. What devices and when. Specific answers. I don’t want what Hannity told you to quip. I want actual data. Did she have two phones on her at all times when she took the SOS position? Or did she have a phone, a laptop and a tablet? I have a phone and a laptop and a tablet. I do not have two phones. If you don’t understand the difference, I suspect you’re not trying. I often don’t have my tablet or laptop. I almost always have my phone. Is this starting to make sense? > [@](#): > > 1. “The private emails were things like correspondence with my husband”. Her husband doesn’t use email. He’s sent two in his life. I’m betting that he can be reached by email if you send an email to one of his assistants. > [@](#): > > But thanks for the Bosnia thing, and the “Dead broke” comment also comes to mind. THe public does not view her as honest and I doubt she can overcome that trust gap. So, you have nothing but partisan nonsense? > [@](#): > > Experience has almost always been a losing argument in elections for all but incumbents. Integrity and change always beat experience. Oh well then. Why bother to have elections. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2015, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/825 "2015-04-15T05:27:10Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I assume that she turned over what was required. Prove otherwise. She is not the judge of what is required. The State Department is. She chose what to turn over, which isn’t shady at all. > [@](#): > > What devices and when. Specific answers. I don’t want what Hannity told you to quip. I want actual data. Did she have two phones on her at all times when she took the SOS position? Or did she have a phone, a laptop and a tablet? It doesn’t matter if the devices did email. And frankly it wouldn’t matter if she had just one, since one device can manage multiple accounts. Most normal people have a work account and a personal account. Tell your job that you’re going to not use the work email, but only your personal email for official business and tell me how that works out for you. Once again we have a different standard for the powerful and the little guy. That never looks good in an election. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2015, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/826 "2015-04-15T10:00:19Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Hillary has provided some documents, in paper form, that she had government documents on her private server. “Some”? She provided 30,000 emails. Clearly she’s holding out on us. > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Then all of your portentous proclamations about “unanswered questions” are not based even on so much as your _guesses_? You can’t find any mentioned in any of the previous reports, but you know they’re there, even if _you can’t even fucking make any up?_😛 I have a co-worker that uses the exact same argument to support his belief in alien abductions. He has no evidence at all that it does happen and all current scientific evidence and theories are against him, but as long as it can’t be definitively disproven he’s convinced it must be happening. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2015, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/827 "2015-04-15T12:50:31Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > She did it to cover up embarrassing emails that could be used against her in the coming campaign. Which makes \*her \*the baddie. Of course. > [@](#): > > she lies. A lot. If you say so. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2015, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/828 "2015-04-15T12:57:56Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > She is not the judge of what is required. The State Department is. She chose what to turn over, which isn’t shady at all. > > It doesn’t matter if the devices did email. And frankly it wouldn’t matter if she had just one, since one device can manage multiple accounts. Most normal people have a work account and a personal account. Tell your job that you’re going to not use the work email, but only your personal email for official business and tell me how that works out for you. Once again we have a different standard for the powerful and the little guy. That never looks good in an election. But the regulations in force at the time permitted the head of each agency to determine the specific procedures the agency would use. In other words, if you had a good reason to use a personal e-mail address, the agency head could give you permission to do so. Right? Isn’t that the factual truth? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2015, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/829 "2015-04-15T14:31:23Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > “Some”? She provided 30,000 emails. Clearly she’s holding out on us. (post shortened) Amazing. That seems to be the same impression the current Congressional investigators have. That must be why Hillary is being requested, for the 3rd time, to testify before the Congressional Committees. The Congressional investigators have unanswered questions. I also have unanswered questions about Hillary’s actions as Sec. of State, and her reluctance to fully cooperate with the Congressional Committees. Maybe the Congressional investigators will get the answers I seek. Or are you suggesting that Hillary provided “all” of the documents requested by the Congressional investigators? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2015, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/830 "2015-04-15T14:41:26Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I assume that she turned over what was required. Prove otherwise. The fact that the Congressional investigators are requesting more documents, and are requesting access to Hillary’s personal server suggest that Hillary has not turned over what was required to satisfy the needs of the investigators. Hillary has also stated that some emails on her personal have been deleted. Your assumption is your assumption, but Hillary has not turned over what was required by the Congressional investigators. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2015, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/831 "2015-04-15T15:00:21Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > The fact that the Congressional investigators are requesting more documents, and are requesting access to Hillary’s personal server suggest that Hillary has not turned over what was required to satisfy the needs of the investigators. This is, surprisingly enough, entirely true. Of course, it’s quite likely that “the needs of the investigators” in this case involve finding some way, any way, to discredit and humiliate an individual they personally and politically despise. Those needs will never be met until they can dance on her corpse. They’d settle for doing so figuratively. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2015, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/832 "2015-04-15T15:19:38Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Amazing. That seems to be the same impression the current Congressional investigators have. That must be why Hillary is being requested, for the 3rd time, to testify before the Congressional Committees. The Congressional investigators have unanswered questions. Or, as been repeatedly pointed out, the Congressional investigators will simply never be satisfied. > [@](#): > > I also have unanswered questions about Hillary’s actions as Sec. of State, and her reluctance to fully cooperate with the Congressional Committees. Maybe the Congressional investigators will get the answers I seek. Cool. What are the questions? I seem to have missed your listing them the last time you were asked. > [@](#): > > Or are you suggesting that Hillary provided “all” of the documents requested by the Congressional investigators? Of course not. But as I said, it’s quite likely they’ll never be satisfied as long as nothing supports their pre-existing narrative. It’s much like Barack Obama’s birth certificate - no matter what he provides the Birthers always want more, rejecting the evidence they’ve been given as insufficient. Do you think this is a reasonable approach to an investigation? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2015, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/833 "2015-04-15T15:25:51Z")
> [@andros](#): > > This is, surprisingly enough, entirely true. > > Of course, it’s quite likely that “the needs of the investigators” in this case involve finding some way, any way, to discredit and humiliate an individual they personally and politically despise. Those needs will never be met until they can dance on her corpse. They’d settle for doing so figuratively. Usually, the best way to end speculation, and innuendo, is to quickly, and fully, comply with the investigators. The longer a Hillary, or a Christie, or some other poor shmuck, drags their feet complying with an investigation, the more suspicious, and guilty the public believes they look. The last time Hillary appeared before the Congressional committee, she implied that she wanted to get to the bottom of everything Benghazi. She didn’t say she was going to share that information with the investigators, or the public. And it appears that she hasn’t. Remember, Hillary is a private citizen. She currently holds no government position. She does not have the power of Executive Privilege to cover her activity. (Not yet, anyway.) There is no reason that Hillary can not be questioned by the media, the public, or by Congressional Committees. The demand that Hillary must not be questioned, is itself, questionable. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2015, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/834 "2015-04-15T15:35:26Z")
So the reasoning is…they’re investigating her! That proves the investigation is in good faith! ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2015, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/835 "2015-04-15T15:49:41Z")
And she \*must \*be guilty of something - shadiness, lying, _something_. Just look at all the investigations! ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2015, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/836 "2015-04-15T15:51:43Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Usually, the best way to end speculation, and innuendo, is to quickly, and fully, comply with the investigators. That is _so cute_! Do it some more! > [@](#): > > The demand that Hillary must not be questioned, is itself, questionable. Perhaps you could point to someone making that demand. Maybe it’s easier for you than trying to imagine a Benghazi question that hasn’t been answered. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2015, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/837 "2015-04-15T15:54:28Z")
> [@bup](#): > > So the reasoning is…they’re investigating her! That proves the investigation is in good faith! It’s not my reasoning but YMMV. The Benghazi debacle took place. The public, and Congress, wanted an explanation as to why four Americans, including a U.S. Ambassador, had been murdered. The WH and State dept proved reluctant to provide information. The investigation eventually led to Hillary’s private server. Hillary has proven that she was storing government documents on her private server. The investigation continues. As does the “LEAVE BRITTANY ALONE!”-style sturm und drang of Hillary’s fanboys. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2015, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/838 "2015-04-15T16:03:59Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Perhaps you could point to someone making that demand. Maybe it’s easier for you than trying to imagine a Benghazi question that hasn’t been answered. That seems to be your position. What government documents are still on Hillary’s personal server? What government documents has Hillary deleted from her personal server? The Congressional investigators are free to ask Hillary questions that they do not yet have answers to. I still do not have access to their list of questions. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2015, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/839 "2015-04-15T16:05:13Z")
Those are not questions about Benghazi, which is what you claim to be interested in. Try again. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2015, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/840 "2015-04-15T16:10:02Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > As does the “LEAVE BRITTANY ALONE!”-style sturm und drang of Hillary’s fanboys. That sounds interesting. Can you point us to some examples of people saying things like that? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092.md?page=41) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092.md?page=43)