# Hilary Clinton and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Personal E-mail Account **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 3, 2015, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092 "2015-03-03T14:10:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 46
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/901 "2015-04-21T08:58:02Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > The reason for the Congressional investigation is that the Republicans in Congress want to continue to give the impression to their credulous followers that Clinton and Obama either screwed up or actively caused the deaths of the Americans in Benghazi. Yes but they _are_ dead, aren’t they??? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/902 "2015-04-21T09:16:35Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > Yes but they _are_ dead, aren’t they??? They are. And it was a tragedy. And everyone, including Clinton and Obama, has said so. Incidentally there’s a fundraiser for Christopher Stevens’ foundation this weekend. It’s one of those “pay a lot to play golf for charity” things so probably isn’t of much interest to the board as a whole, but [there you go](http://www.eventbrite.com/e/chris-stevens-fundraiser-let-there-be-light-tickets-16046011051). ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/903 "2015-04-21T13:14:33Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Who says I didn’t accept the findings of the previous investigations? You do. By breathlessly anticipating yet another. > [@](#): > > Of course, the All-Things-Benghazi debacle includes much more than Ol’ Hillary And it’s about time you told us how much more. You’ve already stipulated that, to you, “Benghazi” means more than Benghazi, and have not denied that, to you, it means the entirety of Sec. Clinton’s tenure of office. So, what do you define as “Benghazi”, and the proper scope of further investigation? Is it the entire history of the universe, or something less? If you’re going to deny that a word means what it seems to mean, you need to explain what it \*does \*mean. But so far you haven’t offered anything other than the definition of a partisan fishing trip. And even **Bricker** says so too. > [@](#): > > but the lame stream media So you’re not concerned with being taken seriously after all. Gotcha. 😉 > [@](#): > > Now she is being given the chance to discuss those documents, and her handling of those documents, with Congressional investigators. Whose charter is Benghazi. 😉 **Robert163** , yes, they’re dead, and those deaths were a tragedy. Just as [the thirteen attacks on US embassies, with sixty deaths, during the previous administration](http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/may/12/john-garamendi/prior-benghazi-were-there-13-attacks-embassies-and/) were. How many investigations did those get, and, in your view, why the difference? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/904 "2015-04-21T14:00:41Z")
Well, now, just a second! Have we seen their long-form death certificates? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/905 "2015-04-21T14:12:34Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > That’s commonality, not continuity. These are fundamentally different things. > They’re not the reason at all for another Congressional investigation. They could be, but they aren’t. And this desperate _post hoc_ justification you’re clinging to is getting increasingly threadbare. > > The reason for the Congressional investigation is that the Republicans in Congress want to continue to give the impression to their credulous followers that Clinton and Obama either screwed up or actively caused the deaths of the Americans in Benghazi. That the previous seven investigations, including GOP-led ones, have failed to turn up anything incriminating will not deter them because they’re not interested in the truth; they’re interested in slinging as much mud as quickly as possible and they don’t mind wasting millions of taxpayers’ dollars in doing so. Ok, commonality. I’m fine with that. Either way, Congressional Committee’s provide their own justification for their investigations. There’s not a thing I can do about their creation. I am in favor of investigations into the workings of government, and the actions of government officials. And that includes Ol’ Hillary. Your reason for the Congressional investigations seems to serve your purpose. I assume you do not believe all-things-Benghazi should be investigated and Ol’ Hillary should not be questioned. Congressional Committees disagree with you. I’ll wait for the final report. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/906 "2015-04-21T14:16:03Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > I am in favor of investigations into the workings of government, and the actions of government officials. And that includes Ol’ Hillary. Once again: Are you also in favor of partisan fishing trips? > [@](#): > > I assume you do not believe all-things-Benghazi should be investigated Just what do you mean by “all things Benghazi”? What does the term include? Is there anything it does not include? > [@](#): > > I’ll wait for the final report. The last seven weren’t final, to you. Why will this one be? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/907 "2015-04-21T15:01:51Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Once again: Are you also in favor of partisan fishing trips? > > Just what do you mean by “all things Benghazi”? What does the term include? Is there anything it does not include? > > The last seven weren’t final, to you. Why will this one be? Once again, Congressional Committees hold investigations. You can call them partisan fishing trips. Either way, I’m in favor of investigations into the actions of government officials. The Congressional Committees decide what questions they will ask. What happened during the months leading up to the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi? What happened on the day four Americans were murdered in Benghazi? What happened during the months after four Americans were murdered in Benghazi? If it’s related to the murder of four Americans, and the State Dept’s actions before and after the four murders, then it should be included. None of the last seven were final because there was another investigation. This isn’t rocket surgery. Ol’ Hillary will be questioned and there’s nothing you can do about that. Ol’ Hillary doesn’t have to answer any of the Congressional investigators questions. There is nothing you can do about that, either. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/908 "2015-04-21T15:18:49Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > You can call them partisan fishing trips. Either way, I’m in favor of investigations into the actions of government officials. So you acknowledge that this is, in fact, a partisan fishing trip, or at least you cannot articulate why this isn’t one. Good. You also acknowledge that you’re in favor of partisan fishing trips, but is there a limit on them? > [@](#): > > The Congressional Committees decide what questions they will ask. If only you could tell what questions they do not yet have answers to, answers which could reasonably be expected to be in Clinton’s e-mails. If only … But thanks also for acknowledging that “Benghazi” means Benghazi. > [@](#): > > None of the last seven were final because there was another investigation. Just let that one sink in for a minute … 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/909 "2015-04-21T16:02:16Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Ok, commonality. I’m fine with that. Either way, Congressional Committee’s provide their own justification for their investigations. There’s not a thing I can do about their creation. Sure, but it negates your rationale for the need for this one. > [@](#): > > I am in favor of investigations into the workings of government, and the actions of government officials. And that includes Ol’ Hillary. Sure, but that negates your rationale that this is specifically about Benghazi. > [@](#): > > Your reason for the Congressional investigations seems to serve your purpose. I assume you do not believe all-things-Benghazi should be investigated and Ol’ Hillary should not be questioned. I don’t know why you assume that because I’ve said the exact opposite. What I don’t believe is that the investigations should be open-ended in scope and time. > [@](#): > > I’ll wait for the final report. And presumably if you don’t like what it says, you’ll want a \*\*ninth \*\*investigation. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/910 "2015-04-21T17:22:45Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > So you acknowledge that this is, in fact, a partisan fishing trip, or at least you cannot articulate why this isn’t one. Good. You also acknowledge that you’re in favor of partisan fishing trips, but is there a limit on them? > > If only you could tell what questions they do not yet have answers to, answers which could reasonably be expected to be in Clinton’s e-mails. If only … > > But thanks also for acknowledging that “Benghazi” means Benghazi. > > Just let that one sink in for a minute … 😉 You can call it anything you wish. I’m not stopping you. I call it a Congressional investigation. You don’t have to accept that but it doesn’t change my position. I still do not have access to the questions that the Congressional investigators will ask. I have previously listed several questions I would like answered. All-things-Benghazi is of interest to the Congressional investigators. Apparently, that includes the actions of former Sec. of State, Ol’ Hillary Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/911 "2015-04-21T17:32:06Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Sure, but it negates your rationale for the need for this one. > Sure, but that negates your rationale that this is specifically about Benghazi. > I don’t know why you assume that because I’ve said the exact opposite. What I don’t believe is that the investigations should be open-ended in scope and time. > And presumably if you don’t like what it says, you’ll want a \*\*ninth \*\*investigation. I don’t believe it negates my position. ymmv. Then you do believe all-things-Benghazi should be investigated and Ol’ Hillary should be questioned. Good for you. They can convene a dozen more investigations, if they so chose. Ol’ Hillary doesn’t have to answer any of their questions, even if she’s under oath. However, there may be repercussions from the voters, if not from Congress. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/912 "2015-04-21T17:35:00Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > You can call it anything you wish. You don’t deny it’s a partisan fishing trip, then. > [@](#): > > I still do not have access to the questions that the Congressional investigators will ask. I have previously listed several questions I would like answered. None that you have been able to imagine are about Benghazi. Is it that the questions themselves are a secret for some reason, or that you lack sufficient imagination about what they are, or that _there fucking aren’t any_ “unanswered questions” of significance about Benghazi? > [@](#): > > All-things-Benghazi is of interest to the Congressional investigators. Apparently, that includes the actions of former Sec. of State, Ol’ Hillary Clinton. It’s _your own choice of terminology_. Do you know what you mean by it or don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![TommyzNR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@TommyzNR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TommyzNR)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/913 "2015-04-21T17:35:19Z")
Do you believe that in the time before, during or after the events in Bengazi the Sec of State communicated via email to her associates in regards to anything having to do with the embassy in Bengazi? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/914 "2015-04-21T17:50:10Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Once again, Congressional Committees hold investigations. > > **You can call them partisan fishing trips**. Either way, I’m in favor of investigations into the actions of government officials. > > The Congressional Committees decide what questions they will ask. What happened during the months leading up to the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi? What happened on the day four Americans were murdered in Benghazi? What happened during the months after four Americans were murdered in Benghazi? If it’s related to the murder of four Americans, and the State Dept’s actions before and after the four murders, then it should be included. > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > You don’t deny it’s a partisan fishing trip, then. > > None that you have been able to imagine are about Benghazi. Is it that the questions themselves are a secret for some reason, or that you lack sufficient imagination about what they are, or that _there fucking aren’t any_ “unanswered questions” of significance about Benghazi? > It’s _your own choice of terminology_. Do you know what you mean by it or don’t you? What happened during the months leading up to the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi, what happened on the day four Americans were murdered in Benghazi, and what happened during the months after four Americans were murdered in Benghazi, plus, anything related to the murder of four Americans in Benghazi, and the State Dept’s actions before and after the four murders in Benghazi, should be included in an All-Things-Benghazi investigations. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/915 "2015-04-21T17:52:19Z")
> [@TommyzNR](#): > > Do you believe that in the time before, during or after the events in Bengazi the Sec of State communicated via email to her associates in regards to anything having to do with the embassy in Bengazi? Yes. I also believe she talked to her associates via telephone, and in person. She may even have passed them a note in class. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/916 "2015-04-21T17:52:51Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > What happened during the months leading up to the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi, what happened on the day four Americans were murdered in Benghazi, and what happened during the months after four Americans were murdered in Benghazi, plus, anything related to the murder of four Americans in Benghazi, and the State Dept’s actions before and after the four murders in Benghazi, should be included in an All-Things-Benghazi investigations. I think those questions have been answered. I also think you just don’t like the fact the answers aren’t that interesting. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/917 "2015-04-21T17:55:32Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > What happened during the months leading up to the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi, what happened on the day four Americans were murdered in Benghazi, and what happened during the months after four Americans were murdered in Benghazi, plus, anything related to the murder of four Americans in Benghazi, and the State Dept’s actions before and after the four murders in Benghazi, should be included in an All-Things-Benghazi investigations. And the previous seven investigations into \*all \*those topics somehow missed something crucial, something that would have led to different conclusions, is that it? They didn’t seem to think they were missing any information they needed. Were they all just stupid? And thank you once again for \*still \*proceeding. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/918 "2015-04-21T18:07:54Z")
Shorter **doorhinge** : She’s been around forEVER! We have to come up with something new to hang around her neck or we’re gonna LOSE this one! See if you can go hook up the battery to the 4 Benghazi corpses and make them jump around some more. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/919 "2015-04-21T18:14:09Z")
More shorter **doorhinge** : “OK, yes, it’s just another partisan fishing trip, but I’m not gonna admit it to \*you \*people!” ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/920 "2015-04-21T18:26:36Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > She may even have passed them a note in class. Apparently the deaths were not all that tragic after all. :rolleyes: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092.md?page=45) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092.md?page=47)