# Hilary Clinton and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Personal E-mail Account **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 3, 2015, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092 "2015-03-03T14:10:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 51
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/1001 "2015-04-25T17:09:00Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > I’m not sure if you’re aware of this (or that you even care, should you be aware), but your constant use of “Ol’ Hillary” causes me to hold your views with about as much credibility as **Shodan** ’s “Regards.” > > I’m politely, respectfully asking you to please stop it. It doesn’t help your argument. It hurts it. To me, anyway. But I’m sure others would say something similar, should they be asked. > > (editing of your post done by me. Not to change what you said, but to illustrate that it becomes monotonous reading “Ol’ Hillary” over and over) Thank you for sharing your concern. I will no longer refer to Hillary as, well, you know, in this thread. We meet as friends, we talk as friends, we depart as friends. Life is good. However, the use of the term doesn’t change my argument. I am interested in how my decision has changed your views (opinion?) of my credibility. If it hasn’t changed, then why should you expect me to make the effort (and it will be an effort 😃 ). In other words, if nothing changes, then why bother changing. just sayin’ Isn’t the term “Regards” considered a polite ways to end a letter. What possible objection could you have to it’s use? Would you prefer that someone used the term “sincerely”, instead? ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/1002 "2015-04-25T17:28:07Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Isn’t the term “Regards” considered a polite ways to end a letter. What possible objection could you have to it’s use? A post on a message board isn’t a letter? I mean, by the same standard, we could be beginning each post with the address of the recipient and start “Dear \_\_\_\_\_”. The standards of one setting aren’t guaranteed to be appropriate for all. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/1003 "2015-04-25T17:31:36Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > …Of course there’ve been Republican efforts to inflate stuff like Fast and Furious and Benghazi, but these have been small potatoes as scandals go. > > This will not be the case with a new Clinton Administration. Hillary and Bill (you know Bill will have some significant role) think the rules do not apply to them, and they will set the tone for their appointees and underlings. It will be one sleazy mess after another. > > I can’t believe there aren’t substantial numbers of Democrats with revulsion and dread at the prospect, who wouldn’t support a decent alternative. (post shortened) The _Fast and Furious_ investigation was never completed. Obama played the Executive Privilege card, which only applies when the President is actually involved. Neither Eric Holder, or Obama, have to testify as to what occurred at the highest levels of the F&F operation. The F&F investigation will continue after a future President rescinds Obama’s EP. A lesson I suspect Hillary and Sweet O’l Bill will remember for the future. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/1004 "2015-04-25T17:42:01Z")
> [@Revenant\_Threshold](#): > > A post on a message board isn’t a letter? > > I mean, by the same standard, we could be beginning each post with the address of the recipient and start “Dear \_\_\_\_\_”. The standards of one setting aren’t guaranteed to be appropriate for all. Dear **Revenant Threshold** , You are free to post anyway you wish. You are also free to demand that others post to your particular standards. What you can’t do, is force others to meet your standards, such as they are. Has the term “regards” actually become a target of the politically-correct, word-nazis? Seriously? ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/1005 "2015-04-25T17:45:38Z")
I’ll try to find a cite, **doorhinge** , but **Shodan** has stated on this board that his “regards” can mean a genial “regards,” or a “fuck you.” I have a [link](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10872100&postcount=31) to a post where they mention that he’s admitted it, but haven’t found the actual admission by him yet. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/1006 "2015-04-25T17:45:55Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Dear **Revenant Threshold** , > You are free to post anyway you wish. You are also free to demand that others post to your particular standards. What you can’t do, is force others to meet your standards, such as they are. > > Has the term “regards” actually become a target of the politically-correct, word-nazis? Seriously? I don’t recall trying to force anyone to do anything. Or demanding so. Or even asking so, in fact. Am I misremembering? Has “A post on a message board isn’t a letter” become the target of the politically-correct word-nazis? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/1007 "2015-04-25T17:59:18Z")
> [@Revenant\_Threshold](#): > > I don’t recall trying to force anyone to do anything. Or demanding so. Or even asking so, in fact. Am I misremembering? Has “A post on a message board isn’t a letter” become the target of the politically-correct word-nazis? You mentioned that it wasn’t appropriate. I must have misunderstood your meaning. Your standard of what’s appropriate is obviously different than mine. Do you believe that the Congressional Committee’s investigations into all-things-Benghazi should continue? Do you believe the Congressional investigators should, or should not, question Hillary? ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/1008 "2015-04-25T18:24:08Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > You mentioned that it wasn’t appropriate. I must have misunderstood your meaning. Your standard of what’s appropriate is obviously different than mine. No, I didn’t. I said that the standards of one setting aren’t guaranteed to be appropriate for all. And even if I _had_ said that - saying something isn’t appropriate wouldn’t be trying to force someone not to do that thing. Nor is it a demand. Nor is it even asking. Even within that misunderstanding, you aren’t correct. > [@](#): > > Do you believe that the Congressional Committee’s investigations into all-things-Benghazi should continue? Do you believe the Congressional investigators should, or should not, question Hillary? I don’t know enough about the matter to venture an opinion. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2015, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/1009 "2015-04-25T18:39:31Z")
He _himself_ doesn’t even know enough about what he \*himself \*means by “all-things-Benghazi” even to ask the question. He didn’t even add the word “again”. So don’t worry about it. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2015, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/1010 "2015-04-26T17:30:52Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > I’ll try to find a cite, **doorhinge** , but **Shodan** has stated on this board that his “regards” can mean a genial “regards,” or a “fuck you.” > > I have a [link](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10872100&postcount=31) to a post where they mention that he’s admitted it, but haven’t found the actual admission by him yet. Hahahaha. Seriously? You’ve discovered a 6 year old post that states, “ **Ed** has told us that “Regards” in the sense of “Fuck You” _ **is acceptable** _ on the Straight Dope, inside or outside of the Pit”, and you still intend to pursue the issue. I have to ask, to what end? What do you hope to accomplish? _Regards_ was acceptable 6 years ago, and it’s still acceptable today. (Maybe it’s time to stop obsessing about something you have absolutely no control over? just sayin’ ) ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2015, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/1011 "2015-04-26T17:53:29Z")
Point taken, **doorhinge** , but I still find it as maddening as I did back then. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2015, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/1012 "2015-04-26T18:09:31Z")
As I previously explained - > [@doorhinge](#): > > What happened during the months leading up to the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi, what happened on the day four Americans were murdered in Benghazi, and what happened during the months after four Americans were murdered in Benghazi, plus, anything related to the murder of four Americans in Benghazi, and the State Dept’s actions before and after the four murders in Benghazi, should be included in an All-Things-Benghazi investigations. > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > He _himself_ doesn’t even know enough about what he \*himself \*means by “all-things-Benghazi” even to ask the question. He didn’t even add the word “again”. So don’t worry about it. You and I agree that the Congressional Committee’s should continue their investigations. I’m not worried about it. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2015, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/1013 "2015-04-26T18:17:17Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Point taken, **doorhinge** , but I still find it as maddening as I did back then. Maddening as in angry, or maddening as in bonkers? Sometimes, just sometimes, you have to let things go. You could be satisfied with the fact that I’ve granted your request. Something is better than nothing. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2015, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/1014 "2015-04-26T18:39:55Z")
> [@Revenant\_Threshold](#): > > A post on a message board isn’t a letter? > > I mean, by the same standard, we could be beginning each post with the address of the recipient and start “Dear \_\_\_\_\_”. The standards of one setting aren’t guaranteed to be appropriate for all. > [@Revenant\_Threshold](#): > > No, I didn’t. I said that the standards of one setting aren’t guaranteed to be appropriate for all. > > And even if I _had_ said that - saying something isn’t appropriate wouldn’t be trying to force someone not to do that thing. Nor is it a demand. Nor is it even asking. Even within that misunderstanding, you aren’t correct. I don’t know enough about the matter to venture an opinion. First, I apologize for using the phrase - “politically-correct, word-nazis”. It was much to antagonistic. “Politically-correct, word-police” would be more appropriate. :o You posted a question about a post not being a letter. And something about the standards of one setting not being appropriate for all other settings. To answer your original question, a post on a message board isn’t a letter, except when the poster choses to use the same standard. It’s the posters choice, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/1015 "2018-11-22T17:16:08Z")
Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Personal E-mail Accounts are back in the news, so it seemed appropriate to bump this thread. Once again a top White House Adviser has improperly used a personal e-mail account for government business. There are at least two major differences between the two incidents: (A) Hillary’s personal account approached a “crime of the century” status with widespread calls to arrest her and “lock her up.” Ivanka’s impropriety wouldn’t make the Top 200 list of Trump family crimes. (B) Hillary was following in the footsteps of predecessors like Colin Powell who had unknowingly committed the same impropriety. But anyone who didn’t spend 2015-2016 in a two-year coma should have known such an account was improper by now. > [@D\_Anconia](#): > > To paraphrase Secretary Clinton, what difference does it make? > > She should have known better. And the President knew she was using a personal email address, because he corresponded with her using said address… Ah. Maybe this is a difference. Hillary was e-mailing Potus? Who was Senior W.H. Adviser Ivanka e-mailing? The deputy press secretary in charge of touting Ivanka’s made-in-Bangladesh shoes? > [@doorhinge](#): > > It has a nice ring to it. 😃 People still seem to know which group I’m referring. I also mispel “embareass”. > > Republican’s are investigating Hillary? I’m in favor of investigations. I’m in favor of politicians being fully cooperative with investigations. I’m not in favor of those who suggest that Hillary shouldn’t be investigated. Are you in favor of investigating Ivanka? Are you in favor of politicians cooperating fully with those investigations? Are you in favor of those who suggest that Ivanka shouldn’t be investigated? > [@doorhinge](#): > > … An exception applies for those people who believe that Hillary must never be questioned. 😃 > > IIRC, the investigation of the Fast and Furious operation led to Eric Holder’s Just-Us dept… Requesting Just-Us dept., and Holder’s, records would be part of a proper investigation. > > The down-side to all this is that I don’t believe Eric “Fast and Furious” Holder can be trusted to investigate himself, or Hillary, even if it is his job. Can Matt Whitaker be trusted to investigate Ivanka? Should the Just-us Department appoint a special prosecutor? > [@UltraVires](#): > > I didn’t vaccinate my dog from rabies, but so long as all of the other dog owners have complied with the law and vaccinated their dogs from rabies, then no harm no foul, right? I’m not sure of the context of this post, but it appears to be an allegory connecting Hillary to a possibly rabid dog. Is Ivanka also a possibly rabid dog? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2018, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/1016 "2018-11-22T18:49:41Z")
Such a freaking optimist, **septimus** , still believing that any of the people you called out can possibly be shamed. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2018, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/1017 "2018-11-23T19:15:12Z")
In the wake of Ivanka’s e-mail scandal, Fox News host Leventhal wanted to talk today about … Hillary Clinton’s e-mail. > [@](#): > > … “I thought we were talking about Hillary’s emails,” Leventhal interrupted, “but we could get to the border.” > > After an awkward apology and a short back and forth, Leventhal cut to political analyst Doug Schoen, who delved into the Clinton email topic by calling for the Mueller investigation to conclude and also for “starting a Clinton investigation.” > > “I am amazed that with everything going on in the world, we still have Hillary Clinton in the headlines,” responded Leventhal. > > At which point [regular Fox News commentator Anna] Paulina interjected: “She won’t go away. She’s like herpes.” So I ask the Trumpists and those who want to “Lock 'er up” — to which venereal disease should Ivanka Trump be compared? Chlamydia? Syphilis? Gonorrhea? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2018, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/1018 "2018-11-24T04:41:19Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > In the wake of Ivanka’s e-mail scandal, Fox News host Leventhal wanted to talk today about … Hillary Clinton’s e-mail. > > So I ask the Trumpists and those who want to “Lock 'er up” — to which venereal disease should Ivanka Trump be compared? Chlamydia? Syphilis? Gonorrhea? Is this a trap? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092.md?page=50)