# Hilary Clinton and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Personal E-mail Account **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 3, 2015, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092 "2015-03-03T14:10:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/161 "2015-03-09T13:17:25Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I will admit that even as the criticism grows, the content has begun to shift away from the accusation that laws were broken and towards the more generic “bad judgement,” or “no transparency,” critiques, which are less defensible inasmuch as they rely on subjective opinion and not a defined legal standard. What does this mean? Very many things in life depend on subjective opinion and not a defined legal standard. You can’t limit yourself to discussing only things which are determined by defined legal standards. > [@](#): > > But even that transition is troubling, because the fervor was triggered by initial accusations of lawbreaking, and shifted here only after it emerged that those accusations were not justified. I don’t think this is correct, and I suspect that you focused on your area of interest. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/162 "2015-03-09T13:29:01Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > “It’s not going anywhere,” seems increasingly inaccurate as a description, wouldn’t you say? Again, _I_ didn’t say it wasn’t going anywhere. I thought it was a dumb idea on Clinton’s part, and said so from the start. But yes, I imagine even a cynic would now have been won over by your defense of Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/163 "2015-03-09T15:34:17Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > It’s been a week and the issue is still generating ink, with the trend still growing. I’m not sure that’s the case, and I realize it’s hard to support a general impression about media trends…but I saw a lot less over the weekend. That may just be because I was busy, admittedly. What outlets did you see spending more time on the issue over the weekend? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/164 "2015-03-09T16:52:40Z")
> [@andros](#): > > I’m not sure that’s the case, and I realize it’s hard to support a general impression about media trends…but I saw a lot less over the weekend. That may just be because I was busy, admittedly. > > What outlets did you see spending more time on the issue over the weekend? Face the Nation had Schumer and Gowdy trading barbs about the issue for a good chunk of time. Gowdy said there were gaps of months and months and months, including during her trip to (gasp) Benghazi; Schumer said this would be be forgotten six months from now. Point being: it certainly wasn’t forgotten NOW. Feinstein was on Meet the Press: “From this point on, the silence is going to hurt her.” Lindsay Graham said some independent group, and not the State Department, should review the mails. ABC’s “This Week” had a segment on the issue. The President addressed it during a CBS News interview following his Selma appearance. ---
**Author:** ![davida03801](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b5e925/32.png) [@davida03801](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davida03801)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2015, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/165 "2015-03-10T01:34:32Z")
I am waiting for someone to look directly into the camera, wag their finger, and sternly state “I did not send email from that account” ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2015, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/166 "2015-03-10T13:22:57Z")
> [@andros](#): > > I’m not sure that’s the case, and I realize it’s hard to support a general impression about media trends…but I saw a lot less over the weekend. That may just be because I was busy, admittedly. > > What outlets did you see spending more time on the issue over the weekend? Having now seen the Monday and Tuesday morning press, do you agree I was correct? ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2015, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/167 "2015-03-10T14:42:57Z")
Yeah, thanks muchly. Wishful thinking on my part, probably. I tend to avoid the Sunday Morning Shitshow like the plague, and it often comes back to bite me when it comes to being up to date on the current State of Outrage. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2015, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/168 "2015-03-10T16:19:32Z")
This could be just the break needed to add more momentum to the Draft Romney movement! ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/169 "2015-03-11T04:46:51Z")
I’m wondering why President Obama felt the need to ah, um, dissemble over the issue. On Sunday, he said that he learned of Secretary Clinton’s private email account on the news, just like everyone else. But on Monday, his press secretary, Mr. Earnest\*, admitted that President Obama emailed her on her private account. > **[Earnest: Obama, Hillary corresponded via her personal email](https://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/obama-hillary-clinton-personal-email-115899)** > > “I would not describe the number of emails as large." Surely the President knew that [clintonemail.com](http://clintonemail.com) was a private account, since it didn’t end in [state.gov](http://state.gov). \*His name cracks me up every time, due to his disingenuousness in every briefing. He seems slightly less slimy than Jay Carney, but not by much. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/170 "2015-03-11T04:54:30Z")
If you are old enough to remember Ron Zieglar, its hard to be impressed. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/171 "2015-03-11T05:01:33Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > If you are old enough to remember Ron Zieglar, its hard to be impressed. Old, but not that old. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/172 "2015-03-11T06:24:45Z")
Puppy. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/173 "2015-03-11T06:30:38Z")
Or for that matter, the paragons of candor who helped bring about Operation Iraqi Madness. Watergate didn’t cause a hundred thousand innocent people to die. Ever wonder what they think when they shave? ---
**Author:** ![spifflog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@spifflog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spifflog)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/174 "2015-03-11T13:05:05Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Or for that matter, the paragons of candor who helped bring about Operation Iraqi Madness. Watergate didn’t cause a hundred thousand innocent people to die. > > Ever wonder what they think when they shave? Ever wonder why people try and derail threads that have nothing to do with Iraq with comments about Iraq? I do think that Clinton won’t get hurt too badly by this. But it does re-enforce the believe that the Clinton’s skate/don’t play by the rules and the Clinton “circus” is back in town. (The Washington Post used that term on this story, and they are hardly a bastion of right wing support). I don’t know why she continues to do this. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/175 "2015-03-11T13:13:48Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Ever wonder what they think when they shave? Cheney: “I’m sure glad I don’t have any shotgun pellets in \*my \*face”. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/176 "2015-03-11T13:26:12Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > I’m wondering why President Obama felt the need to ah, um, dissemble over the issue. > > On Sunday, he said that he learned of Secretary Clinton’s private email account on the news, just like everyone else. > > But on Monday, his press secretary, Mr. Earnest\*, admitted that President Obama emailed her on her private account. > > [http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/obama-hillary-clinton-personal-email-115899.html](http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/obama-hillary-clinton-personal-email-115899.html) > > Surely the President knew that [clintonemail.com](http://clintonemail.com) was a private account, since it didn’t end in [state.gov](http://state.gov). > > \*His name cracks me up every time, due to his disingenuousness in every briefing. He seems slightly less slimy than Jay Carney, but not by much. I seriously doubt that the President remembers the @ part of the email addresses of everyone in his staff and cabinet. I certainly don’t remember the @ part of all my friends, family, and co-workers that I regularly email. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/177 "2015-03-11T13:33:37Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Surely the President knew that [clintonemail.com](http://clintonemail.com) was a private account, since it didn’t end in [state.gov](http://state.gov). Maybe he simply hit “Reply,” and didn’t particularly notice the mail. Maybe her SMTP name was “[Hillary\_Clinton\_SOS@state.gov](mailto:Hillary_Clinton_SOS@state.gov)” and her SMTP address was [clinton22@clintonemail.com](mailto:clinton22@clintonemail.com). I venture to say that most people, unless they have to manually enter e-mail addresses into a contact list, don’t notice the specifics. No reason Mr. Obama should be any more observant in that regard than anyone else. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/178 "2015-03-11T13:37:03Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I venture to say that most people, unless they have to manually enter e-mail addresses into a contact list, don’t notice the specifics. No reason Mr. Obama should be any more observant in that regard than anyone else. Or the system doesn’t even show the email address, just the name of the sender. I have AT&T and that’s how mine works. I have to mouse over the contact name to get a tooltip that shows the actual address. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/179 "2015-03-11T13:47:29Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Or the system doesn’t even show the email address, just the name of the sender. > I have AT&T and that’s how mine works. I have to mouse over the contact name to get a tooltip that shows the actual address. Right. And we’re talking about the President of the United States, who generally has at least a couple of things on his plate at any given moment. I doubt he’s sitting in the East Wing lounge chair keying in contact info on his Blackberry. “Michelle?” “Yes, hon?” “Does Chappaqua have one ‘p’ or two?” ---
**Author:** ![Donald\_Rump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Donald\_Rump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donald_Rump)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092/180 "2015-03-11T13:55:20Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > I’m wondering why President Obama felt the need to ah, um, dissemble over the issue. > > On Sunday, he said that he learned of Secretary Clinton’s private email account on the news, just like everyone else. > > But on Monday, his press secretary, Mr. Earnest\*, admitted that President Obama emailed her on her private account. As Earnest [said](http://www.factcheck.org/2015/03/obama-on-clintons-emails/), > [@](#): > > But the president was not aware of the fact that this was a personal email server **and that this was the email address that she was using exclusively for all her business**. The president was not aware of that until that had been more widely reported. The president could have known she had a private email account without knowing that she was using the private email account for official business, not to mention using it exclusively. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hilary-clinton-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-personal-e-mail-account/714092.md?page=10)