# Hillary and Osama linked by GOP **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 15, 2006, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-and-osama-linked-by-gop/368878 "2006-08-15T21:39:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-and-osama-linked-by-gop/368878/21 "2006-08-16T04:06:36Z")
[QUOTE=Sublight] Have you forgotten Saxby Chambliss’ ad used against Max Cleland? [/QUOTE] Good point, but I’m a little surprised I haven’t heard a Republican say this about _Hillary_ before. Maybe they haven’t had a chance because she’s spent so much time hanging out with Gingrich and voting for their stupid war. 😛 This ad is infuriating, but let’s be honest: the man doesn’t have a chance in hell. Knowing that it won’t help him does make it a little more palatable. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-and-osama-linked-by-gop/368878/22 "2006-08-16T04:14:16Z")
Well, Spencer could hardly stand on his own record. After all, his major elective office was as Mayor of Yonkers when it became the only city ever to go bankrupt in New York State history (AFAIK). Another Republican for fiscal integrity! ---
**Author:** ![Walter\_Windchill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Walter\_Windchill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walter_Windchill)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-and-osama-linked-by-gop/368878/23 "2006-08-16T04:22:12Z")
Where are the Republicans who complain that the Democrats are shrill, combative, and divisive? ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-and-osama-linked-by-gop/368878/24 "2006-08-16T04:57:31Z")
[QUOTE=Walter Windchill] Where are the Republicans who complain that the Democrats are shrill, combative, and divisive? [/QUOTE] They’re busy aggressively shrieking about wedge issues. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-and-osama-linked-by-gop/368878/25 "2006-08-16T04:58:17Z")
[QUOTE=EddyTeddyFreddy] They’re busy aggressively shrieking about wedge issues. [/QUOTE] And class warfare. Don’t forget class warfare. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-and-osama-linked-by-gop/368878/26 "2006-08-16T05:00:13Z")
[QUOTE=EddyTeddyFreddy] They’re busy aggressively shrieking about wedge issues. [/QUOTE] they’re doing wedgies, too??!!?!!?!? the bastids!!! ---
**Author:** ![Talon\_Karrde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Talon\_Karrde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Talon_Karrde)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-and-osama-linked-by-gop/368878/27 "2006-08-16T15:14:00Z")
I missed how they were connecting her to OBL. Are they saying she’s intentionally weakening security so he can attack the US? If so, can’t she sue Spencer for slander? Or is it allowed in political ads? I mean, there’s gotta be a law against making accusations like that. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-and-osama-linked-by-gop/368878/28 "2006-08-16T16:06:00Z")
I have to disagree with the OP. This is not a new low. Republicans (and in fact politicians of all stripes) have been sinking this low for decades, at least. I remember an ad from 1972, in which a bum popped out from a man hole, and said something like “Vote for the Democrats, so we can bring back sewars and gutters!” I was only 10 at the time, but I was aghast at the incredible level of stupidity in that. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-and-osama-linked-by-gop/368878/29 "2006-08-16T18:50:32Z")
[QUOTE=Sublight] Have you forgotten Saxby Chambliss’ ad used against Max Cleland? [/quote] Oh, no – I meant that I was surprised it took the Republicans to stoop that low for _this_ election cycle. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-and-osama-linked-by-gop/368878/30 "2006-08-16T18:58:13Z")
[QUOTE=mhendo] Geez, **John** , that’s a ringing condemnation there. The way you worded your post, it sounds like you’re implying that, if the guy actually had a chance of beating Clinton, the ad might somehow be acceptable or understandable. I’m pretty sure that’s not what you think, but someone who didn’t know you better might be forgiven for misinterpreting your post. [/QUOTE] Thanks for checking up on the ideological purity of that post, **mhendo**. And note that you didn’t issue any condemnation at all. Someone who doesn’t know you better might be forgiven for interpreting that as a tacit approval of the ad. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-and-osama-linked-by-gop/368878/31 "2006-08-16T19:08:28Z")
> [@](#): > > Allen is the second GOP presidential candidate in recent weeks to utter a racially insensitive remark and then say he was unaware that it was potentially offensive. His damage-control efforts once again make the front page of the Washington Post. Potential presidential rival and fellow **Sen. John McCain (R) may get asked about it when he campaigns for Allen in Norfolk later today.** [http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14301380/](http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14301380/) ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-and-osama-linked-by-gop/368878/32 "2006-08-16T19:53:58Z")
[QUOTE=Little Nemo] The 50% of Americans who recently said they believed we found WMDs in Iraq? [/QUOTE] \*We did. \* Tonnes of them, right after Desert Storm in 1990. 😛 Oh, after that, when **W** invaded? Meh, _not so much._ A few tad ends of old useless rusted out crap left over from before and a a few other items that are rather doubtful. So you have to define _when_. But if the question was “Did we find WMD in Iraq?” without giving a time period, then the correct answer is **Yes**. And, even if we are talking about post W’s little invasion, then a _nitpicker_ would also say yes, because those few ends of outdated worthless rusted out crap still were WMD, like it or not. And then again, SH had modified quite a few of his missles to be longer range- which was illegal, and they \*could \* be considered as WMD. So, you have to define “WMD” to get a good answer. Now, if the question was worded _correctly_- “Did we find _significant_ WMD\* in Iraq after the March 2003 invasion?”, then the answer would be “No”, of course. But if there was a poll that got a result that 50% of Americans believed that we found WMD in Iraq, you’d have to know how the question was worded in order for the result to be meaningful. Too many of these poll memes are tossed around without us knowing how meaningful they are. I have :dubious: as to this one. - and a good definition of WMD ---
**Author:** ![Sean\_Factotum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Sean\_Factotum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sean_Factotum)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-and-osama-linked-by-gop/368878/33 "2006-08-16T20:10:55Z")
[QUOTE=tdn] I remember an ad from 1972, in which a bum popped out from a man hole, and said something like “Vote for the Democrats, so we can bring back sewars and gutters!” I was only 10 at the time, but I was aghast at the incredible level of stupidity in that. [/QUOTE] Are you sure that wasn’t one of Pat Paulson’s ads from _The Smother’s Brothers Show_ during the '68 election? ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-and-osama-linked-by-gop/368878/34 "2006-08-16T20:16:25Z")
I’d like to take this opportunity to say… Gooooooooooooooooooo Hillary! ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-and-osama-linked-by-gop/368878/35 "2006-08-16T20:32:40Z")
[QUOTE=Sean Factotum] Are you sure that wasn’t one of Pat Paulson’s ads from _The Smother’s Brothers Show_ during the '68 election? [/QUOTE] I was pretty unaware of politics in '68. And I remember seeing it during the daytime. In the house we lived in in '72. And it was a slam against McGovern, I’m pretty sure. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2006, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-and-osama-linked-by-gop/368878/36 "2006-08-16T20:52:42Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] Thanks for checking up on the ideological purity of that post, **mhendo**. [/quote] You’re welcome. [QUOTE=John Mace] And note that you didn’t issue any condemnation at all. [/quote] Of course, any reasonably intelligent person would have inferred my attitude to the ad from what i wrote about your post. [QUOTE=John Mace] Someone who doesn’t know you better might be forgiven for interpreting that as a tacit approval of the ad. 😉 [/QUOTE] The difference being, of course, that i didn’t make an explicit statement in which my attitude to the ad was follwed by what appeared to be a caveat regarding the candidate’s chance of winning. I don’t really think it’s a big deal; it just struck me that your post implied that the ad’s nuttiness was a _reflection_ of the guy’s poor chance of victory. In a better world, one not populated by Republican voters who actually swallow this shit, the ad’s nuttiness would be the _cause_ of this guy’s poor chance at victory. Potential Republican voters would see it and decide that the guy had no credibility whatsoever. Unfortunately, as we’ve seen in multiple races over the past few years, associating the Democrats with being unpatriotic and in bed with the terrorists only seems to energize the Republican base, not turn it off. ---
**Author:** ![Talon\_Karrde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Talon\_Karrde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Talon_Karrde)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-and-osama-linked-by-gop/368878/37 "2006-08-17T16:40:40Z")
**mhendo** , I think you’re reading too much into what **John Mace** said. I understand why you would, but you probably shouldn’t focus so much on whether or not he offers sufficient condemnation for the various GOP evils. **John Mace** might be wrong sometimes, but he has integrity. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-and-osama-linked-by-gop/368878/38 "2006-08-17T18:50:10Z")
[QUOTE=Talon Karrde] **mhendo** , I think you’re reading too much into what **John Mace** said. I understand why you would, but you probably shouldn’t focus so much on whether or not he offers sufficient condemnation for the various GOP evils. **John Mace** might be wrong sometimes, but he has integrity. [/QUOTE] Absolutely. I happen to like the guy, and although i don’t always agree with him i think he offers intelligent and often persuasive reasons for his positions. In fact, had he been someone who i thought was an idiot, i may not even have commented on his post, but just let it go as the usual blather. You’re probably right that i’m reading too much into it, though, so i’ll stop. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-and-osama-linked-by-gop/368878/39 "2006-08-17T18:56:09Z")
Better get used to it. Its all they got, and they are going to hammer away at it. “Apply directly to the forehead!” WHACK! “Apply directly to the forehead!” WHACK!.. And so forth. ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2006, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-and-osama-linked-by-gop/368878/40 "2006-08-17T19:03:37Z")
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