# Hillary CLinton deliberately lost the election ... **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 18, 2019, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-deliberately-lost-the-election/845037 "2019-12-18T18:08:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-deliberately-lost-the-election/845037/21 "2019-12-19T11:05:07Z")
It’s nice to know that the staffer thinks that Trump is so horrible at his job that this is the only possible way he could have won. I’m not sure how that is a message that helps Trump, though. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-deliberately-lost-the-election/845037/22 "2019-12-19T13:57:12Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > Did you mean to say “If Hilary wanted **Pelosi** to be President . . .” ? Because otherwise I can’t seem to parse this. Paul Ryan was Speaker of the House in 2017 and 2018. Nancy Pelosi didn’t become Speaker until 2019. That’s why I mentioned the timing. [ul] [li]If Trump is impeached and removed from office in 2017 (when he first took office), or in 2018, or 2019, or 2020, Pence becomes President.[/li][li]If Trump and Pence are both impeached and removed in 2017 or 2018, Paul Ryan becomes President.[/li][li]In 2019, if Trump and Pence are both removed from office, before Pence can get a VP approved, then Pelosi becomes President.[/li][/ul]So it isn’t a very good plan. It assumes that impeachment doesn’t happen in 2017 or 2018, that the Dems take over the House in 2018 so impeachment can happen in 2019. The Dems did take over the House, but not the Senate, so the impeachment part isn’t going to result in Trump being removed from office. Or Pence, for that matter. Also, since the Dems don’t control the Senate, they aren’t going to be able to block whoever Pence nominates as VP. The whole theory is preposterous, but these are a few of the more obvious reasons. The problem isn’t that Hillary threw the election. Pretty much the opposite - she was way too confident that she would win easily. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-deliberately-lost-the-election/845037/23 "2019-12-19T21:51:37Z")
Pence doesn’t need to get a VP approved. He just names an acting VP. Confirmation hearings are for suckers! ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-deliberately-lost-the-election/845037/24 "2019-12-20T00:19:30Z")
From another thread: Originally Posted by DrDeth View Post Just like trump sez, it’s obviously all Hillary’s fault: [https://washingtonpress.com/2019/12/...E8\_\_YM9jAAEo2Y](https://washingtonpress.com/2019/12/...E8__YM9jAAEo2Y) Hillary lost in 2016 on purpose so Trump could be impeached, claims White House source Please note, this is NOT from the Onion. Not from The Onion, but from the satirical Borowitz Report from 2017. [https://www.newyorker.com/humor/boro...ion?verso=true](https://www.newyorker.com/humor/boro...ion?verso=true) ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-deliberately-lost-the-election/845037/25 "2019-12-20T01:07:19Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > From another thread: > > Originally Posted by DrDeth View Post > Just like trump sez, it’s obviously all Hillary’s fault: > > [https://washingtonpress.com/2019/12/...E8\_\_YM9jAAEo2Y](https://washingtonpress.com/2019/12/...E8__YM9jAAEo2Y) > Hillary lost in 2016 on purpose so Trump could be impeached, claims White House source > Please note, this is NOT from the Onion. > Not from The Onion, but from the satirical Borowitz Report from 2017. > > [https://www.newyorker.com/humor/boro...ion?verso=true](https://www.newyorker.com/humor/boro...ion?verso=true) Neither of those links work for me. But that’s the problem with modern satire. No matter what outrages a normal mind can dream up, they are so quickly eclipsed by reality that all are believable. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-deliberately-lost-the-election/845037/26 "2019-12-20T01:24:40Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I’m not sure how that is a message that helps Trump, though. Even if this odd claim originated with someone attempting satire, the fact that Trump fans have taken it up shows that it fits in with their beloved article of faith: namely, that **Everyone Is Out To Get Trump™**. In their cult, Trump is simultaneously _All-Powerful God-Emperor_ and _The Eternal Target and Victim Of Terrible People Who Hate Us_. ---
**Author:** ![RioRico](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f04885/32.png) [@RioRico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RioRico)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2019, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-deliberately-lost-the-election/845037/27 "2019-12-24T05:23:24Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > In their cult, Trump is simultaneously _All-Powerful God-Emperor_ and _The Eternal Target and Victim Of Terrible People Who Hate Us_. But it’s their friends who will cut off their Medicare and Social Security. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2019, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-deliberately-lost-the-election/845037/28 "2019-12-24T06:06:05Z")
How would one lose an election while still getting most of the votes? That seems a level of control that is hard to imagine. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2019, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-deliberately-lost-the-election/845037/29 "2019-12-24T15:26:10Z")
> [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](#): > > How would one lose an election while still getting most of the votes? That seems a level of control that is hard to imagine. It’s deepity state stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2019, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-deliberately-lost-the-election/845037/30 "2019-12-24T23:26:07Z")
> [@RioRico](#): > > But it’s their friends who will cut off their Medicare and Social Security. That’s right. But so long as those “friends” keep assuring them they are superior to those Others (dark-skinned or Libruls or Mooslums or what-have-you), they will suck up the loss in their standard of living, and go on singing hymns of praise to their idol. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-deliberately-lost-the-election/845037.md?page=1)