# Hillary Clinton did not run a terrible campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 28, 2017, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-did-not-run-a-terrible-campaign/792305 "2017-07-28T03:55:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-did-not-run-a-terrible-campaign/792305/201 "2017-08-01T18:01:28Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > It’s clear ElvisL1ves just heard this tidbit somewhere and just accepted it without critical thinking, as it so obviously wrong on its face. We didn’t really need any more examples, but thanks anyway for being one. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-did-not-run-a-terrible-campaign/792305/202 "2017-08-01T18:02:58Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > We didn’t really need any more examples, but thanks anyway for being one. Examples of what? ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-did-not-run-a-terrible-campaign/792305/203 "2017-08-01T18:04:59Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > How well do you think she would have done if people knew Donna Brazile fed her debate questions and Debbie Wasserman Schultz was pulling for her? Some people would call that cheating. > > I haven’t mentioned plurality or majority. I think that is about as relevant which team got more yards during a football game. Unless the difference is humongous (like one team got twice as many yards as the other team and still lost), who gives a shit? You still prosecuting this cheating thing? Is this grammar school? People didn’t vote based on delivering “justice” to Hillary for cheating, any more than they did to deliver it to the goldfish for lying (both to and about them), cheating, theft, sexual assault, corruption, fraud, and possibly some capital offenses to be named later. What are you on about? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-did-not-run-a-terrible-campaign/792305/204 "2017-08-01T18:08:36Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > There is an inclination by some of the supporters of bigotry to pretend that’s not what they’re doing, and that history wasn’t what it was, or has no continuing relevance today. > > The Independent Republic of Rhode Island? 🙂 Tell us another. So if you can’t conflate things with slavery just call the other guy a racist… I don’t know where you think you are but that sort of argument never worked here absent an actual expression of racism. Hopefully this thread will prompt you to re-examine everything you thought you knew for a fact. (it’s taking longer than we thought) ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-did-not-run-a-terrible-campaign/792305/205 "2017-08-01T18:10:45Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > You still prosecuting this cheating thing? Is this grammar school? This is a thread about Hillary’s campaign. I think it’s fair game to discuss thngs about the campaign. Call me crazy. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-did-not-run-a-terrible-campaign/792305/206 "2017-08-01T18:16:52Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > You still prosecuting this cheating thing? Is this grammar school? > > People didn’t vote based on delivering “justice” to Hillary for cheating, any more than they did to deliver it to the goldfish for lying (both to and about them), cheating, theft, sexual assault, corruption, fraud, and possibly some capital offenses to be named later. What are you on about? Well, at first she denied it: > [@](#): > > Brazile at first denied receiving or furnishing the Clinton campaign with any town hall questions, and dismissed the Wikileaks organization as “sad ass whipper leakers [trying] to destroy [her] groove” But eventually she fessed up: > [@](#): > > On March 17, 2017, Brazile admitted to forwarding debate questions to Clinton’s campaign during the 2016 Democratic primary, while she was Vice Chair of the DNC and working as a CNN commentator > **[Donna Brazile](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Brazile)** > > Donna Lease Brazile (/brəˈzɪl/ brə-ZIL; born December 15, 1959) is an American political strategist, campaign manager, and political analyst who served twice as acting Chair of the Democratic National Committee (DNC). She is currently an ABC News contributor, and was previously a Fox News contributor until her resignation in May 2021. Brazile was also previously a CNN contributor, but resigned in October 2016, after WikiLeaks revealed that she shared two debate questions with Hillary Cli A memb... Didn’t you know? Or is cheating not a relevant issue for you? ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-did-not-run-a-terrible-campaign/792305/207 "2017-08-01T19:27:48Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > This is a thread about Hillary’s campaign. I think it’s fair game to discuss thngs about the campaign. Call me crazy. OK you’re crazy. I didn’t say you shouldn’t discuss it. Have at it. But get real. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-did-not-run-a-terrible-campaign/792305/208 "2017-08-01T19:28:51Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > You still prosecuting this cheating thing? Is this grammar school? > > People didn’t vote based on delivering “justice” to Hillary for cheating, any more than they did to deliver it to the goldfish for lying (both to and about them), cheating, theft, sexual assault, corruption, fraud, and possibly some capital offenses to be named later. What are you on about? Get real, would ya? At long last… ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-did-not-run-a-terrible-campaign/792305/209 "2017-08-01T20:13:31Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > OK you’re crazy. I didn’t say you shouldn’t discuss it. Have at it. But get real. I don’t care about the debate questions scandal. I was just quibbling with your saying “are you still prosecuting this?”. This whole thread is about rehashing the election. Except for the slavery bits. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-did-not-run-a-terrible-campaign/792305/210 "2017-08-01T20:54:44Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > I don’t care about the debate questions scandal. I was just quibbling with your saying “are you still prosecuting this?”. This whole thread is about rehashing the election. Except for the slavery bits. Apparently, Hillary would have won if it wasn’t for slavery. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Evan\_Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b487fb/32.png) [@Evan\_Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evan_Drake)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-did-not-run-a-terrible-campaign/792305/211 "2017-08-01T20:55:33Z")
It’s always a good sign when a thread on modern politics devolves into a discussion of the Secession War, as our German friends call it. Back to basics ! > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Well, at first she denied it: > > But eventually she fessed up: > > \*Brazile at first denied receiving or furnishing the Clinton campaign with any town hall questions, and dismissed the Wikileaks organization as “sad ass whipper leakers [trying] to destroy [her] groove” > \* > [Donna Brazile - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Brazile) > > Didn’t you know? Or is cheating not a relevant issue for you? Whipper Leakers ? Is she related to my dear old friend C. Montgomery Burns by any chance ? ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-did-not-run-a-terrible-campaign/792305/212 "2017-08-01T21:12:34Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Sanders only did so after his Bros and Sandernistas did maximum damage to Hillary by spreading the GOPs and the Kremlins lies. And they kept doing so even after he endorsed Hillary. Are you asserting that the emails that went on Wikileaks were not actual emails, but instead were invented by the Kremlin (or the GOP)? Because the DNC and Hillary Clinton don’t support your view that those emails were lies, just that they didn’t want them to be public. Do you have any evidence that they are fabrications, or are you just mad that some of Clinton’s underhaned dealings were made public, making the already weak ‘Saint Hillary’ message even weaker? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-did-not-run-a-terrible-campaign/792305/213 "2017-08-01T21:32:00Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Apparently, Hillary would have won if it wasn’t for slavery. 😉 If this story gets out, I don’t think history will look too kindly on the institution of slavery. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-did-not-run-a-terrible-campaign/792305/214 "2017-08-01T21:44:45Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > Clinton’s underhaned dealings Specify, please. (Underhanded _or_ underhaned, if your post was intended as product placement. Wait’ll we get our Hanes on you!) ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-did-not-run-a-terrible-campaign/792305/215 "2017-08-01T21:57:01Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > I don’t care about the debate questions scandal. I was just quibbling with your saying “are you still prosecuting this?”. This whole thread is about rehashing the election. Except for the slavery bits. If you don’t care about it why would you object to reminding someone here that they are still prosecuting this? Have you seen any of the many the other posts and threads saying this same thing? No dialectic, no weighing of events, values or contexts. Just this one little fucking thing that is supposed to end all discussion? Give me a ferakin break. It doesn’t end it. It doesn’t even begin it. It’s a preoccupation that has no values or perspective behind it. Get real. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-did-not-run-a-terrible-campaign/792305/216 "2017-08-01T21:59:52Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > If you don’t care about it why would you object to reminding someone here that they are still prosecuting this? > > Have you seen any of the many the other posts and threads saying this same thing? No dialectic, no weighing of events, values or contexts. Just this one little fucking thing that is supposed to end all discussion? Give me a ferakin break. > > It doesn’t end it. It doesn’t even begin it. It’s a preoccupation that has no values or perspective behind it. Get real. Does anyone know what this post is supposed to mean? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-did-not-run-a-terrible-campaign/792305/217 "2017-08-01T22:49:55Z")
Nope. But I will reiterate that I don’t care about the debate question thing, and since he doesn’t buy my clearly stated reason, I leave it to drag dog’s wildest imaginings as to why I said what I did. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-did-not-run-a-terrible-campaign/792305/218 "2017-08-01T23:10:13Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Nope. But I will reiterate that I don’t care about the debate question thing, and since he doesn’t buy my clearly stated reason, I leave it to drag dog’s wildest imaginings as to why I said what I did. There are 20 posts on “cheating” by the clinton campaign under the stated conditions. By the same poster. This you don’t follow? Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-did-not-run-a-terrible-campaign/792305/219 "2017-08-01T23:33:00Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > 68,931,262 voted for “someone other than Hillary Clinton”. The voters, if they chose anything, chose “someone other than Hillary Clinton”. They cannot have chosen her and someone other than her. Then using the same standard, 73,684,412 people voted for someone other than Donald Trump. And every point I made stands. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-did-not-run-a-terrible-campaign/792305/220 "2017-08-01T23:39:43Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Then using the same standard, 73,684,412 people voted for someone other than Donald Trump. Correct. > [@](#): > > And every point I made stands. Not correct. It is your opinion that the voters chose Hillary. An opinion not supported by the data, and so is not a fact. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-did-not-run-a-terrible-campaign/792305.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-did-not-run-a-terrible-campaign/792305.md?page=12)