# Hillary Clinton promises to raise taxes. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 30, 2004, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-promises-to-raise-taxes/252894 "2004-06-30T15:14:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2004, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-promises-to-raise-taxes/252894/61 "2004-06-30T21:06:52Z")
Wow, what a moron. And his site won’t let you e-mail him unless you’re a citizen of Idaho. Well, this’ll be 37 cents I’m going to regret… ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2004, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-promises-to-raise-taxes/252894/62 "2004-06-30T21:17:47Z")
> [@NDP](#): > > Damn straight they should do that! And if you happen to get salmonella, listeriosis, E. coli, botulism, or mad cow disease as a result, it’s your own damn fault for being a stupid consumer. > > Caveat emptor, everybody! Last time I checked, the FDA was under Health and Human Services. Now go read my post again, carefully this time, and you will see that I said Department of Agriculture. Ever lived on a farm? Ever owned a farm? Ever dealt with the bureaucratic jungle that is the USDA? I have. Fire every other person in the department, then slash the remaining budget by 2/3. That will be a good start. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2004, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-promises-to-raise-taxes/252894/63 "2004-06-30T21:18:57Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Wow, what a moron. And his site won’t let you e-mail him unless you’re a citizen of Idaho. Well, this’ll be 37 cents I’m going to regret… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2004, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-promises-to-raise-taxes/252894/64 "2004-06-30T21:42:43Z")
[http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2005/pdf/hist.pdf](http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2005/pdf/hist.pdf) You think you can balance the budget through spending cuts? Be my guest; tell us what you’re going to cut. Be reasonably specific, 'kay? > [@Exgineer](#): > > when Reagan took office we were in a pretty bad recession. Taxes were cut, but revenues actually increased with economic recovery. We got deficits because the Democrats in Congress spent it all faster thatn it came in. Cite on that, please? I’ve refuted this one before, IIRC, but since it’s your assertion, I think you need to be the one to back it up. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2004, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-promises-to-raise-taxes/252894/65 "2004-06-30T21:47:44Z")
[http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=1128901&postcount=82](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=1128901&postcount=82) ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2004, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-promises-to-raise-taxes/252894/66 "2004-06-30T21:47:56Z")
> [@](#): > > Last time I checked, the FDA was under Health and Human Services. Now go read my post again, carefully this time, and you will see that I said Department of Agriculture. Ever lived on a farm? Ever owned a farm? Ever dealt with the bureaucratic jungle that is the USDA? I have. Fire every other person in the department, then slash the remaining budget by 2/3. That will be a good start. First, I didn’t mention the FDA in my post. Munch did. (As if that error completely undermined the main point of our postings.) Second, [the USDA is responsible for ensuring that meat, eggs, and dairy products are safe for human consumption.](http://www.fsis.usda.gov/regulations_&_policies/federal_inspection_programs/index.asp) The cuts that were made more than 20 years ago by the Reagan Administration have already seriously weakened the consumer’s line of defense against food poisoning. Reducing the USDA to a mere shell of itself as you propose would result in forcing me to play a game of Russian Roulette with my health whenever I bought meat or dairy products. [Hands silenus a copy of [The Jungle](http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1884365302/ref=pd_sim_books_4/102-5280689-4469707?v=glance&s=books).] > [@](#): > > You seem to think it’s only the USDA that is preventing massive outbreaks. How about public opinion? Don’t you think the networks would be all over sick children who all happened to eat at the same Jack in the Box? You don’t think Jack in the Box would be all over their meat supplier? > > I have more faith the free market, it seems. Certainly. We all know what a wonderful job the free market was doing about 100 years ago before that meddlesome government got in the way. [Hands ivylass another copy of [The Jungle](http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1884365302/ref=pd_sim_books_4/102-5280689-4469707?v=glance&s=books).] Happy reading! ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2004, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-promises-to-raise-taxes/252894/67 "2004-06-30T21:52:00Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > 😃 Hey, gotta fight ignorance where you can, no? My breadth of knowledge is so thin, I have to exercise it whenever I get the chance. An excerpt: > [@](#): > > Dear Congressman Simpson, > > I’ve recently come across your Congressional website, wherein you make the following statement: > > > [@](#): > > > > “While I support cooperation and positive relations between all nations, I oppose treaties and other agreements that seek to usurp U.S. sovereignty or infringe upon the rights given to us by the Constitution.” > > I have no problem with your right to maintain a negative stance towards the United Nations’ involvement with the United States. I may disagree with it, but it is certainly a valid dialogue this country could be having right now. What I do have a problem with is your apparent ignorance concerning the Constitution of the United States. > > Nowhere in the Constitution will you find a single right granted to US citizens. Not a single one. As any grade school civics course worth its salt will educate you, the Constitution \*protects \* our rights - it does not \*grant \* them. I hope that you will reflect this in a revision to your website. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2004, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-promises-to-raise-taxes/252894/68 "2004-06-30T21:59:23Z")
NDP Good Lord. The blind faith you put into bureaucrats in lab coats hired by career politicians with a vested interest in seizing your liquid assets, and whose studies are funded chiefly by the industries who lobby their bosses is frankly inspirational for people everywhere who might sometimes have lapses of faith. The false dichotomy that you draw, suggesting that either government must regulate the life out of industry or else that industry must be given free reign by government to defraud the public is ridiculous. Why don’t you put down your hundred-year-old hysteria novel and read some modern academic articles. Here are some Cato Institute Regulatory Studies. [http://www.cato.org/research/reglt-st.html](http://www.cato.org/research/reglt-st.html) Munch Bravo! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2004, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-promises-to-raise-taxes/252894/69 "2004-06-30T22:15:32Z")
Thanks for that link, **Lib**. Tell you what: I’ll take that “hundred-year-old hysteria novel” and Cato’s more recent hysteria “articles” and split the difference as usual. (No offense, my friend, but Cato? There’s gotta be something from a group with a less-transparent axe to grind, no?) ---
**Author:** ![Exgineer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a88e4f/32.png) [@Exgineer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exgineer)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2004, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-promises-to-raise-taxes/252894/70 "2004-06-30T22:16:31Z")
**RTFirefly** , do you have a link for the entire thread? ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2004, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-promises-to-raise-taxes/252894/71 "2004-06-30T22:23:44Z")
> [@Exgineer](#): > > **RTFirefly** , do you have a link for the entire thread? Here you go: [Ronald Reagan is GOD](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=58820) ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2004, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-promises-to-raise-taxes/252894/72 "2004-06-30T22:30:08Z")
> [@Exgineer](#): > > **RTFirefly** , do you have a link for the entire thread? > **[Ronald Reagan is GOD](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=58820)** > > Well not really, but all I saw this morning on FoxFriends was tributes to the man. Is being 90 years old that amazing? What IS the average age for people to live nowadays? I know its a lot longer than olden days. How mnay people have elderly... Top left corner of the linked page. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2004, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-promises-to-raise-taxes/252894/73 "2004-06-30T22:31:09Z")
Damn I’m lagged today. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2004, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-promises-to-raise-taxes/252894/74 "2004-06-30T23:03:10Z")
NDP– Be careful handing out those copies of **The Jungle** , that’s pornography to conservative nutjobs. They get so exited by the idea of unfettered capitalism they come just by glancing at the cover! You realize, don’t you, that those people WANT the world to be like it was in **The Jungle**. Ohh for the Good Old Days! Let The Almighty Market Reign! (besides, ground-up human fingers adds that special \*je ne c’est quois \* that makes sausage ohhh sooo tastee!) ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2004, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-promises-to-raise-taxes/252894/75 "2004-06-30T23:06:03Z")
> [@](#): > > “We’re going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.” Memo to Mr. Kerry: Please pick HRC as your running mate. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2004, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-promises-to-raise-taxes/252894/76 "2004-06-30T23:35:36Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > **duffer** , posts like these make you look like a retard. Whaddaya mean, “look like”? Anyone willing to trot out that dated “Why do you hate America?” canard in this day and age deserves to be mocked by the rest of the world as being clearly deficient in brains. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2004, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-promises-to-raise-taxes/252894/77 "2004-06-30T23:41:24Z")
> [@](#): > > Normally, they try to hide their nefarious intentions to mug us with flowery words and mysterious phrases. Lib, don’t you know anything? Hillary’s just OPEN and HONEST, which is GOOD! And Bushco is DISHONEST and CLOSED, which is BAD! Why, Hillary even said that she wants to murder puppies and children, which is honest, which is a GOOD thing! > [@](#): > > Current Republican President + Current Republican Congress = Massive debt. Maybe I’m crazy, Rjung - a distinct possibility - but my hazy recollection is that things were going pretty good until a handful of nutcases tried to blow up New York. But maybe that was a coincidence. No wait! I forgot! That was all the Republicans’ fault, too, wasn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2004, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-promises-to-raise-taxes/252894/78 "2004-07-01T00:02:10Z")
> [@SPOOFE](#): > > Maybe I’m crazy, Rjung - a distinct possibility - but my hazy recollection is that things were going pretty good until a handful of nutcases tried to blow up New York. > > But maybe that was a coincidence. No wait! I forgot! That was all the Republicans’ fault, too, wasn’t it? OK, this is the last straw. I have to ask: **Have conservatives all gone nuts? Seriously, what the fuck?** One of the things I used to credit conservatives with was sensible financial policy, which would occasionally serve as a useful check on over-zealous Democratic social programs. These conservatives from yesteryear would have said “oh, the economy is in recession and we’re gonna have to pay for an invasion all by ourselves? Well, perhaps we can’t have all these tax cuts that were planned during boom times. It’s too bad, but when the country is in danger we all have to make sacrifices.” No one is blaming Republicans for the recession happening. We’re blaming them for being fiscally irresponsible during a recession and a war, with long-term tax cuts which predominantly favor the rich. What I can’t figure out is how you all are suddenly in favor of the government spending way more than it takes in. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2004, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-promises-to-raise-taxes/252894/79 "2004-07-01T00:06:10Z")
**SPOOFE** , dude, cut down on the caffeine. ---
**Author:** ![Exgineer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a88e4f/32.png) [@Exgineer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exgineer)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2004, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-promises-to-raise-taxes/252894/80 "2004-07-01T02:45:33Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > Here you go: [Ronald Reagan is GOD](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=58820) Thanks. The buget is the buget, but the money gets spent in the appropration bills. I’ll go through that thread, but I’ve already read **RTFirefly** ’s post, and checked his cite, but I’m at a loss as to how it makes anything I’ve posted in this thread is inaccurate. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-promises-to-raise-taxes/252894.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-promises-to-raise-taxes/252894.md?page=5)