# Hillary Clinton VP choice **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 25, 2015, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-vp-choice/738511 "2015-11-25T04:45:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-vp-choice/738511/81 "2015-11-30T23:44:16Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Based on recent statements about Syria and the region, he’s advocating for more war, whatever his past views on Iraq. Which statements are you referring to in particular? All the statements of Webb on Syria I’ve seen are sceptical of intervention and criticize previous administrations for destabilizing the Middle East. > [@](#): > > Further, he’s explicitly pandered to confederate-flag waivers during the flap a few months ago. I’d prefer all the Confederate flags on public grounds go down, but in the big picture its not even in the top one hundred of important and/or relevant issues especially when he has literally no control over this question. EDIT: If its with regards to Webb’s opposition on the Iran Deal, I agree its a very unfortunate stance but its not as if plenty of other Democrats (ie Chuck Schumer) are also against the deal. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-vp-choice/738511/82 "2015-11-30T23:46:45Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Which statements are you referring to in particular? All the statements of Webb on Syria I’ve seen are sceptical of intervention and criticize previous administrations for destabilizing the Middle East. You missed my edit 🙂 It was about the Iran nuclear deal (he opposed it), not Syria. > [@](#): > > I’d prefer all the Confederate flags on public grounds go down, but in the big picture its not even in the top one hundred of important and/or relevant issues especially when he has literally no control over this question. He answered it exactly wrong, and it’s a big indicator of me about how he approaches these sorts of issues. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-vp-choice/738511/83 "2015-11-30T23:49:25Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > You missed my edit 🙂 It was about the Iran nuclear deal (he opposed it), not Syria. > > He answered it exactly wrong, and it’s a big indicator of me about how he approaches these sorts of issues. I’d say Webb’s stances on actual issues (like incarceration reform) are more relevant. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-vp-choice/738511/84 "2015-11-30T23:51:25Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > I’d say Webb’s stances on actual issues (like incarceration reform) are more relevant. That’s fine. I wouldn’t vote against Hillary if she chose Webb, but I’d be very upset and might contribute a lot less money to the campaign. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-vp-choice/738511/85 "2015-11-30T23:53:05Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > I’d say Webb’s stances on actual issues (like incarceration reform) are more relevant. So your opinion is that the display of Confederate flags on public grounds is not an actual issue? ---
**Author:** ![GloryDays](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9c0ed/32.png) [@GloryDays](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GloryDays)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-vp-choice/738511/86 "2015-11-30T23:53:33Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > That’s fine. I wouldn’t vote against Hillary if she chose Webb, but I’d be very upset and might contribute a lot less money to the campaign. Webb is a real man, he is tough. He may be a good choice. He’s Southern. The Democrats may need Southern in 2016. He doesn’t like politics however, but a Clinton/Webb ticket would be formidable. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-vp-choice/738511/87 "2015-11-30T23:54:12Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > How so? Of all of Clinton’s opponents in the Democratic primaries, Webb is in the best position to help her. Sanders is out for the reasons mentioned above while Chafee and O’Malley are both generic Blue Staters and utterly vanilla both literally and figuratively. I already have a DINO Congressman whom I refuse to vote for (California has top two general elections and open primaries), I don’t want a candidate for VP that pretends to be a Democrat when agrees with all of the Republican platform points. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-vp-choice/738511/88 "2015-11-30T23:54:26Z")
> [@GloryDays](#): > > Webb is a real man, he is tough. He may be a good choice. He’s Southern. The Democrats may need Southern in 2016. He doesn’t like politics however, but a Clinton/Webb ticket would be formidable. Is that what your friends think? ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-vp-choice/738511/89 "2015-11-30T23:54:33Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > So your opinion is that the display of Confederate flags on public grounds is not an actual issue? I was perhaps being a bit hyperbolic but I don’t think it is an issue that matters all that much in the bigger picture. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-vp-choice/738511/90 "2015-11-30T23:56:09Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > I already have a DINO Congressman whom I refuse to vote for (California has top two general elections and open primaries), I don’t want a candidate for VP that pretends to be a Democrat when agrees with all of the Republican platform points. Who is this “DINO Congressman” if this isn’t too personal a question? At any rate, Jim Webb agrees with something like 80-85% of the Democratic platform, excepting a few issues where he dissents more due to his cultural and geographic background as a Scotch-Irish Appalachian military man. ---
**Author:** ![GloryDays](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9c0ed/32.png) [@GloryDays](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GloryDays)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2015, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-vp-choice/738511/91 "2015-11-30T23:58:51Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Is that what your friends think? Actually, I don’t know. I’ll ask them about it when I see them next week. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2015, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-vp-choice/738511/92 "2015-12-01T00:01:17Z")
> [@GloryDays](#): > > Webb is a real man, he is tough. He may be a good choice. He’s Southern. The Democrats may need Southern in 2016. He doesn’t like politics however, but a Clinton/Webb ticket would be formidable. I’m a real man too, and I’m tough, and I served in the armed forces like Webb (Navy for me), and I think his position on many of the issues would greatly weaken America. I think it’s very unlikely Clinton would choose him, and I’m glad of this. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2015, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-vp-choice/738511/93 "2015-12-01T00:03:51Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > I was perhaps being a bit hyperbolic but I don’t think it is an issue that matters all that much in the bigger picture. The display of a racist symbol on public grounds doesn’t matter all that much in the bigger picture. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2015, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-vp-choice/738511/94 "2015-12-01T00:07:26Z")
What’s a “real man”? And what’s everyone else? ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2015, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-vp-choice/738511/95 "2015-12-01T00:07:51Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > The display of a racist symbol on public grounds doesn’t matter all that much in the bigger picture. As opposed to issues like incarceration reform? And again, I’ve said that I favour the Rebel flag going down and indeed have sparred with other Dopers about the issue. However, bringing down every Confederate flag on public grounds is not going to improve the lot of the average black person one iota and I decline to factor it in my judgement of a candidate especially in light of said candidate’s ethnic and geographic background and his record on other issues. ---
**Author:** ![GloryDays](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9c0ed/32.png) [@GloryDays](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GloryDays)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2015, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-vp-choice/738511/96 "2015-12-01T00:10:59Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > I already have a DINO Congressman whom I refuse to vote for (California has top two general elections and open primaries), I don’t want a candidate for VP that pretends to be a Democrat when agrees with all of the Republican platform points. The Democrats may need more national security experience on the ticket. It may need reinforcements. Someone I like is **former Indiana congressman Timothy Roemer** , the former 9/11 commission member and former Ambassador to India. He was on Obama’s veep list in 2008 and may help Hillary Clinton with independent voters and Rust-Belt voters. Democrats NEED Rust Belt voters. > **[Tim Roemer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_J._Roemer)** > > Timothy John Roemer (born October 30, 1956) is an American diplomat and politician who served in the United States House of Representatives from 1991 to 2003 as a Democrat from Indiana's 3rd congressional district. Subsequently, he was the president of the Center for National Policy (CNP), a Washington, D.C.-based national security think tank. He served as U.S. Ambassador to India from 2009 to 2011. Roemer currently serves on the advisory board of Washington, D.C. based non-profit America Abroad ... > **[top ten hillary clinton running mates](https://northumbriancountdown.wordpress.com/2014/03/03/top-ten-hilary-clinton-running-mates/)** > > We are not yet at the 2014 midterm elections, and already election fever is sweeping the country- for 2016, of course.  Among the Democrats, the question is simply: will Hillary run, or won’t… ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2015, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-vp-choice/738511/97 "2015-12-01T00:13:08Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > As opposed to issues like incarceration reform? And again, I’ve said that I favour the Rebel flag going down and indeed have sparred with other Dopers about the issue. However, bringing down every Confederate flag on public grounds is not going to improve the lot of the average black person one iota and I decline to factor it in my judgement of a candidate especially in light of said candidate’s ethnic and geographic background and his record on other issues. You can’t be fucking serious. You can’t be. You cannot be serious. You really think that the supporting the display of a racist symbol by a local, state, or federal government of the United States is unimportant to your view of a candidate? Welcome back, General Lemay. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2015, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-vp-choice/738511/98 "2015-12-01T00:23:52Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > You can’t be fucking serious. You can’t be. You cannot be serious. > > You really think that the supporting the display of a racist symbol by a local, state, or federal government of the United States is unimportant to your view of a candidate? > > Welcome back, General Lemay. To come up with a few issues off the top of my head: policy towards the middle east, global climate change, incarceration reform, student debt reform, and displaying confederate flags on public grounds. Where would I put the confederate flag issue? In a presidential campaign? Dead fucking last. I’m not sure I could take you seriously if you’d claim you’d rank it elsewhere in that list. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2015, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-vp-choice/738511/99 "2015-12-01T00:30:10Z")
> [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > To come up with a few issues off the top of my head: policy towards the middle east, global climate change, incarceration reform, student debt reform, and displaying confederate flags on public grounds. Where would I put the confederate flag issue? In a presidential campaign? Dead fucking last. I’m not sure I could take you seriously if you’d claim you’d rank it elsewhere in that list. I don’t see it like that – flags aren’t that important. But seeing it the way Webb does shows an incredible ignorance of history, or an incredible disinterest in the legitimate concerns of black people. Both are pretty close to deal-breakers, and would be if the Republican candidates weren’t so much worse. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2015, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-vp-choice/738511/100 "2015-12-01T00:34:48Z")
> [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > To come up with a few issues off the top of my head: policy towards the middle east, global climate change, incarceration reform, student debt reform, and displaying confederate flags on public grounds. Where would I put the confederate flag issue? In a presidential campaign? Dead fucking last. I’m not sure I could take you seriously if you’d claim you’d rank it elsewhere in that list. **Qin Shi Huangdi** has stated that it’s not even in the top hundred of his concerns. You’ve only listed five. Frankly, of the five you did list, the removal of racist symbols on government grounds in the United States would rank #2, behind only climate change. You think that incarceration reform is more important than removing the symbols that _caused_ the need for incarceration reform? You’re thinking backwards. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-vp-choice/738511.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clinton-vp-choice/738511.md?page=6)