# Hillary Clinton's Presidential Campaign Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 4, 2016, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873 "2016-05-04T11:09:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/281 "2016-07-08T17:52:40Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > The ensuing Obama-Palin debate would’ve been _legen_-wait-for-it-_dary_. “Mind if I call ya Barry?” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/282 "2016-07-08T18:10:01Z")
“They call me Mr. Tibbs!” He would have done it, he would go there. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/283 "2016-07-12T04:29:35Z")
Interesting fact: I was looking at the FEC expenditures database and, starting November, the campaign began paying Hillary a $75,000/month salary to earn her a $200k/year job. Sander’s family has cashed in for about $150,000 in checks (though I’m sure they ate and slept on the campaign dollar), and Trump’s family has taken about $100k from the campaign, for comparison’s sake. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/284 "2016-07-12T15:39:03Z")
[Sanders endorses Clinton.](http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/11/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders/index.html) He must have learned her campaign pays better. Could he be a Doper? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/285 "2016-07-12T16:01:53Z")
Sanders’ endorsement speech is terrific – full throated and both highly pro-Hillary and anti-Trump/anti-Republican. What little doubts I had that the Democratic party would be united are evaporating. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/286 "2016-07-12T16:23:12Z")
[Seriously, Hillary. WTF?](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/13/us/politics/james-stavridis-hillary-clinton-vice-president.html) Your national security credentials already far exceed Trump’s. Why throw away the veep spot to a non-politician? ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/287 "2016-07-12T16:30:57Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > [Seriously, Hillary. WTF?](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/13/us/politics/james-stavridis-hillary-clinton-vice-president.html) Your national security credentials already far exceed Trump’s. Why throw away the veep spot to a non-politician? I wouldn’t expect her to pick a non-politician either. Could just be a counter to Trump floating Flynn. “You’re thinking of a Lt. General, are you? Well, my friends include a former Supreme Commander of NATO! Top that!!” ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/288 "2016-07-12T16:34:19Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > [Seriously, Hillary. WTF?](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/13/us/politics/james-stavridis-hillary-clinton-vice-president.html) Your national security credentials already far exceed Trump’s. Why throw away the veep spot to a non-politician? He is just being considered so that they can talk about how great Hillary is on national security. It’s going be Warren. They just need something to talk about between now and the convention. It’s called politics. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/289 "2016-07-12T16:34:33Z")
Besides, why wouldn’t she vet something of a variety of candidates. Never know what next “big issue” might pop up that could be countered with a specific veep choice. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/290 "2016-07-12T16:37:40Z")
She might be saving the Admiral on the off chance that Trump announces General Flynn, and Flynn is received very positively. She can afford to wait until Trump makes his selection to make hers. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/291 "2016-07-12T16:57:14Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > [Seriously, Hillary. WTF?](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/13/us/politics/james-stavridis-hillary-clinton-vice-president.html) Your national security credentials already far exceed Trump’s. Why throw away the veep spot to a non-politician? He looks good, he has impeccable Military credentials. Good choice. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/292 "2016-07-12T17:11:25Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > [Seriously, Hillary. WTF?](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/13/us/politics/james-stavridis-hillary-clinton-vice-president.html) Your national security credentials already far exceed Trump’s. Why throw away the veep spot to a non-politician? I don’t see the problem. Clinton and a politician versus Trump and a politician? She gets to say Trump has no experience in government – and Trump can’t hit back _too_ hard with some swipe at career politicians, if his running mate is, y’know, a career politician. Clinton and a politician versus Trump and a general? Trump can hit back, saying, _hey, the system is broken; I have business experience, this guy has military experience, we can do what career politicians like you and your running mate can’t. Career politicians suck!_ Clinton and an admiral versus Trump and a general? She can say _“I will be ready to serve as commander-in-chief on Day One, and my running mate will be ready on Day One, but you’ve never held office or served in the military,”_ and – what? He’d sputter about how his running mate is just as ready as hers is? Clinton and an admiral versus Trump and a career politician? She gets to do that same line – only Trump can’t breezily make that running-mate reply! She says, _if anything happens to me, the next best thing is to have an experienced military man standing by to serve as commander-in-chief,_ and Trump’s reply is, what, if this here businessman can no longer serve as commander-in-chief, the next best thing is a career politician? So _he’s_ talking up career politicians like Hillary Clinton, while _she’s_ talking about how great military officers are? Seems like a win. ---
**Author:** ![Omega\_Ego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/49beb7/32.png) [@Omega\_Ego](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omega_Ego)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/293 "2016-07-12T17:59:43Z")
Truly, the best way to prove you are an honest politician is to cede to the unrealistic expectations you’ve been campaigning against. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/294 "2016-07-12T20:06:11Z")
Stavridis would be a fantastic pick, although if she’s going that route, why not Wes Clark? Did he say no or something? Anyway, Vox does it again with probably the best two Hillary Clinton articles you’ll read this whole election. Long, but essential if you want to know what you need to know about her: > **[Why the Clinton America sees isn’t the Clinton colleagues know](https://www.vox.com/a/hillary-clinton-interview/the-gap-listener-leadership-quality)** > > Why we keep missing Hillary Clinton’s greatest strength. > **[Hillary Clinton: The Vox Conversation](https://www.vox.com/a/hillary-clinton-interview)** > > An exclusive interview reveals what she thinks about immigration, campaigning, and the crisis of America’s elites. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/295 "2016-07-12T20:08:54Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Stavridis would be a fantastic pick, although if she’s going that route, why not Wes Clark? Did he say no or something? My guess would be because Clark sucked hard in 2004. ---
**Author:** ![It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/it_s_not_rocket_surgery/32/312_2.png) [@It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/It_s_Not_Rocket_Surgery)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/296 "2016-07-12T20:27:48Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > My guess would be because Clark sucked hard in 2004. Compared to Joe Biden in 1988? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/297 "2016-07-12T20:42:57Z")
> [@It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](#): > > Compared to Joe Biden in 1988? Don’t remember that far, but compared to Biden in 08, yeah. The hype to substance and delivery ratio for Clark in 04 was astronomical. He was a huge disappointment. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/298 "2016-07-12T21:29:13Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > My guess would be because Clark sucked hard in 2004. Clark was meh, not terrible, and meh is just fine for a VP campaign. Plus he’s ready to be President. Although I guess Stavridis, having had the same position, is ready too. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/299 "2016-07-12T21:31:02Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Don’t remember that far, but compared to Biden in 08, yeah. The hype to substance and delivery ratio for Clark in 04 was astronomical. He was a huge disappointment. That’s because he let himself get handled too much and basically adopted the standard moderate Democratic platform wholesale without distinguishing himself in any way. He should have been more temperamentally like Howard Dean, which would have been more attractive in a general than it was in a small state governor. But I guess that’s a good argument for not having Clark in 2016. Clark won’t be allowed to be himself as Clinton’s VP anymore than he was with his own campaign. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/300 "2016-07-12T21:39:20Z")
Choosing a military figure could also have the advantage of helping her break the lock that the GOP has held on the pro military vote. I can imagine a lot of servicemen may not be too happy about Trump, but are also unsure about Hillary. Even though there was nothing behind it, I imagine that there are a still lot of people who think Clinton’s handling of Benghazi makes her unfit to be commander in chief. Having a strong military man by her side supporting her helpss to dispel some of those feelings. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873.md?page=16)