# Hillary Clinton's Presidential Campaign Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 4, 2016, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873 "2016-05-04T11:09:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/561 "2016-08-10T12:53:25Z")
Yeah, this story seems determined to stay in the news. Now we know why she wanted the private server. To hide stuff like this. As for Omar Mateen, I fully agree with what Bob said. I don’t understand what the big deal is. I also don’t understand why the Iranian scientist is a big deal. He defected, he went back, he eventually got executed. It’s not like he was a secret source that Clinton was talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/562 "2016-08-10T13:08:33Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > In the meantime, Hillary is determined to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory: [NYT - Clinton Foundation and State Dept overlap.](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/us/politics/emails-renew-questions-about-clinton-foundation-and-state-dept-overlap.html) Anyone hoping for this to change the dynamic of the race is going to have to find a better story than “Once a billionaire maybe got to talk to an ambassador”. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/563 "2016-08-10T13:18:30Z")
These stories would be more damaging if she was facing an ethically clean candidate who wasn’t a nutcase. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/564 "2016-08-10T13:44:40Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > These stories would be more damaging if she was facing an ethically clean candidate who wasn’t a nutcase. …which rules out the entire Republican party. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/565 "2016-08-10T15:29:14Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > These stories would be more damaging if she was facing an ethically clean candidate who wasn’t a nutcase. So… Jeb? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/566 "2016-08-10T18:39:46Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Father of Orlando shooter sits right behind her at an Orlando rally. She didn’t know he was there - no one did until he was interviewed after. > > [http://www.wptv.com/news/state/orlando-shooters-father-attends-hillary-clinton-rally-in-kissimmee](http://www.wptv.com/news/state/orlando-shooters-father-attends-hillary-clinton-rally-in-kissimmee) I don’t understand why this is even a blip on anybody’s radar. The guy is a US citizen, he has a right to attend political rallies (unless you’re against Trump, then you get kicked out of his rallies). ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/567 "2016-08-10T18:46:36Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Anyone hoping for this to change the dynamic of the race is going to have to find a better story than “Once a billionaire maybe got to talk to an ambassador”. And explain how they think a billionaire wouldn’t get, or have got, to talk to an ambassador under any other regime. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/568 "2016-08-10T18:58:57Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > These stories would be more damaging if she was facing an ethically clean candidate who wasn’t a nutcase. > [@JohnT](#): > > So… Jeb? He’s a very quiet, very still nutcase. Many people say he’s low energy. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/569 "2016-08-10T19:03:51Z")
He’s just low-energy enough that he could’ve won in November, had he gotten the GOP nomination. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/570 "2016-08-10T19:17:02Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > I don’t understand why this is even a blip on anybody’s radar. > The guy is a US citizen, he has a right to attend political rallies (unless you’re against Trump, then you get kicked out of his rallies). Generally the attendees that are framing the candidate in the normal camera shots are chosen not just randomly assigned to US citizens. The guy is problematic. He’s made a bunch of political diatribe videos and part of his condemnation of his son’s actions was, paraphrased, “it’s not up to us to punish homosexuals, God will”. Lastly, when you are at a rally commemorating the victims you’d think they would want parents of victims front and center not parents of the murderer. Frankly, I’m surprised so many people here are saying “what’s the big deal”. It was an obvious misstep happily overshadowed by yet another Trumpism. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/571 "2016-08-10T19:20:02Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > And explain how they think a billionaire wouldn’t get, or have got, to talk to an ambassador under any other regime. Actually, the email chain was about getting someone a job. > [@](#): > > n one instance, top Clinton Foundation official Doug Band lobbied Clinton aides for a job for someone else in the State Department. In the email, Band tells Hillary Clinton’s former aides at the department – Cheryl Mills and Huma Abedin – that it is “important to take care of (redacted).” Band is reassured by Abedin that “Personnel has been sending him options.” Two other problems with this: 1. Clinton ageed not to have anything to do with the Clinton foundation while Secretary of State. 2. The emails Judicial Watch gained access to were not turned over by Clinton. these emails were deleted by Clinton. They still existed because Huma Abedin still had them. Good on her. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/572 "2016-08-10T19:21:49Z")
Of course, it’s not like we didn’t know that a Clinton administration will engage in cronyism. I think most Clinton supporters have accepted that as the price of doing business at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/573 "2016-08-10T19:29:16Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Of course, it’s not like we didn’t know that a Clinton administration will engage in cronyism. Who was the last President or nominee that you would say didn’t or wouldn’t? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/574 "2016-08-10T19:35:15Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Of course, it’s not like we didn’t know that a Clinton administration will engage in cronyism… Of course, it’s not like we didn’t know that all presidential administrations will engage in cronyism. Have ya looked at Reagans or Bushes records on this? Halliburton= the poster child of Bush-Cheney crony capitalism. [http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1989-06-27/news/8906280233\_1\_watt-reagan-administration-programs](http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1989-06-27/news/8906280233_1_watt-reagan-administration-programs) ---
**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/575 "2016-08-10T19:46:09Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Actually, the email chain was about getting someone a job. > > Two other problems with this: > > 1. Clinton ageed not to have anything to do with the Clinton foundation while Secretary of State. > > 2. The emails Judicial Watch gained access to were not turned over by Clinton. these emails were deleted by Clinton. They still existed because Huma Abedin still had them. Good on her. Well, the NYT article is behind a pay wall, but do you have anything more than “X wants a job.” “OK, we sent the resume to HR”? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/576 "2016-08-10T19:48:00Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Of course, it’s not like we didn’t know that all presidential administrations will engage in cronyism. > > Have ya looked at Reagans or Bushes records on this? > > Halliburton= the poster child of Bush-Cheney crony capitalism. Hey, it’s not like adaher denied that he too has accepted it as the price of doing business just like those cynical Clinton supporters. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/577 "2016-08-10T19:54:00Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > …The emails Judicial Watch gained access to were not turned over by Clinton. these emails were deleted by Clinton. They still existed because Huma Abedin still had them. Good on her. Was Clinton instructed to turn over all emails sent or received by everyone who worked for her? Or was she instructed to turn over all emails that _she_ sent or received? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/578 "2016-08-10T20:25:29Z")
Animal rights activist [rushes stage](http://www.ktbs.com/story/32726319/the-latest-protester-tries-to-rush-stage-at-clinton-rally) at Clinton rally. > [@](#): > > WASHINGTON (AP) - The Latest on the U.S. presidential campaign (all times EDT): > > 4:05 p.m. > > A protester has tried to disrupt a Hillary Clinton rally in Des Moines, but was quickly removed from the event. > > The woman, protesting on behalf of animal rights,\*\* tried to rush onto the stage \*\*during a rally at Lincoln High School, but, struggling, was escorted, out by security. > > Clinton is visiting the battleground state of Iowa for the first time since her narrow win in the leadoff caucuses. That always works _so_ well. ETA: So many commas. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/579 "2016-08-11T07:35:30Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > Who was the last President or nominee that you would say didn’t or wouldn’t? McCain wouldn’t have. Plus there are degrees of cronyism. The DNC has gotten a bit out of control in general with donor service. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 9:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/580 "2016-08-11T09:22:37Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > McCain wouldn’t have. Plus there are degrees of cronyism. The DNC has gotten a bit out of control in general with donor service. Yes there are degrees of cronyism. Which is worse: 1. Sending an email from Foundation staff to government staff asking if someone associated with the Foundation could get a low-level job with the government. 2. Giving a no-bid government contract for billions of dollars to a company in which the sitting Vice President has a huge commercial interest - and several other no-bid government contracts to companies with similar connection to the members of the Executive Branch and their family friends - as part of a war run with the intent to effectively turn an entire country including its oil reserves over to these and other business cronies, resulting in the deaths of thousands of US soldiers, hundreds of thousands (or more) of civilians, and the creation of ISIS. Boy, that email thing sure looks bad. Yep. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873.md?page=30)