# Hillary Clinton's Presidential Campaign Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 4, 2016, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873 "2016-05-04T11:09:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/621 "2016-08-15T18:10:15Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > As long as she’s criticizing his actual statements and general demeanor she should be fine. If she resorts to name calling (eg that silly “loser” suggested above) she’s losing the “adult in the room” advantage. Absolutely. We saw what happened to Rubio when he descended to Trump’s level. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/622 "2016-08-15T18:25:51Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > As long as she’s criticizing his actual statements and general demeanor she should be fine. If she resorts to name calling (eg that silly “loser” suggested above) she’s losing the “adult in the room” advantage. I didn’t see anyone suggest Hillary resort to name calling. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/623 "2016-08-15T18:38:58Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > I didn’t see anyone suggest Hillary resort to name calling. No, just for her high profile surrogates to resort to namecalling. Still a stupid idea. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/624 "2016-08-15T18:51:12Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > No, just for her high profile surrogates to resort to namecalling. Still a stupid idea. No, not really. You realize an effective surrogate could be any supporter with a decent sized audience. It doesn’t need to be an “above the fray” politician. A Sarah Silverman, Meryl Streep, Elizabeth Banks, Jennifer Granholm, Mark Cuban or Jon Stewart would be able to pull it off and get some buzz out of it. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/625 "2016-08-15T19:06:09Z")
Why the hell are you tap dancing for other people? Who gives a crap what those people you listed say? What was posted above was 'is it time for a Clinton surrogate (maybe Warren) to start really pushing the message: “Trump is losing the presidential race because he’s a loser.”'Elizabeth Warren is not frigging Sarah Silverman. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/626 "2016-08-15T19:25:54Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Why the hell are you tap dancing for other people? Excuse me? Would you care to explain what you mean by this? > [@](#): > > Who gives a crap what those people you listed say? Well apparently not you, but that’s not my point. Likewise, not everyone gives a crap what Elizabeth Warren says. Whether you like it or not, celebrities are sometimes more influential with this kind of stuff than an Elizabeth Warren or Joe Biden or Nancy Pelosi. Satire and comedic jabs can work wonders. Highlighting Trump’s loser qualities, for instance. > [@](#): > > What was posted above was 'is it time for a Clinton surrogate (maybe Warren) to start really pushing the message: “Trump is losing the presidential race because he’s a loser.”'Elizabeth Warren is not frigging Sarah Silverman. “Maybe Warren” means just that. Maybe Warren, or maybe someone else like I suggested. And I suggested it doesn’t even need to be a politician for a message to be effective. Jon Stewart. Jennifer Granholm has done some hard-hitting attacks. Bill Maher has a following. Point being, there are effective ways to get attacks out against Trump to further ruffle his feathers other than through the campaign, sitting politicians and the party. And not everything needs to be classy. Politics never have been. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/627 "2016-08-15T19:29:03Z")
Guccifer 2.0 has released his latest batch of hacked documents, this time about the Florida campaign. The most shocking revelation? > [@](#): > > The memos lay out specific strategies for winning races in some of those districts, including advice like this for the 10th district: “consolidate the support of African American primary voters in the Orlando area.” > > [http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/dccc-hacked-florida-races-guccifer-2-227024#ixzz4HQmKfMR6](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/dccc-hacked-florida-races-guccifer-2-227024#ixzz4HQmKfMR6) Shocking. Democrats reaching out to African Americans. Who knew? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/628 "2016-08-15T19:33:23Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Seriously. Rolling around in the mud and taunting calls of “loser, loser!” is only going to diminish her reputation. That only matters if she wants to be president, and like Bernie Sanders, Warren is not presidential material. But she’s good at being a principled progressive, and we need a few of those in the senate and in the House to put pressure on the natural instincts of people like Clinton to gravitate toward the center, who would prefer to reach accord, cross something off the checklist, and move onto the next item on the agenda. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/629 "2016-08-15T19:34:35Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Excuse me? Would you care to explain what you mean by this? > > Well apparently not you, but that’s not my point. Likewise, not everyone gives a crap what Elizabeth Warren says. Whether you like it or not, celebrities are sometimes more influential with this kind of stuff than an Elizabeth Warren or Joe Biden or Nancy Pelosi. Satire and comedic jabs can work wonders. Highlighting Trump’s loser qualities, for instance. > > “Maybe Warren” means just that. Maybe Warren, or maybe someone else like I suggested. And I suggested it doesn’t even need to be a politician for a message to be effective. Jon Stewart. Jennifer Granholm has done some hard-hitting attacks. Bill Maher has a following. Point being, there are effective ways to get attacks out against Trump to further ruffle his feathers other than through the campaign, sitting politicians and the party. And not everything needs to be classy. Politics never have been. Ok great. Hopefully the Clinton campaign gets on the phone and gets Silverman or Maher to finally start calling Trump names. You’re a genius. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/630 "2016-08-15T19:34:40Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Guccifer 2.0 has released his latest batch of hacked documents, this time about the Florida campaign. The most shocking revelation? > > Shocking. Democrats reaching out to African Americans. Who knew? Keep serving up those nothing burgers Guccifer. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/631 "2016-08-15T19:37:24Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > “Maybe Warren” means just that. Maybe Warren, or maybe someone else like I suggested. And I suggested it doesn’t even need to be a politician for a message to be effective. Jon Stewart. Jennifer Granholm has done some hard-hitting attacks. Bill Maher has a following. Point being, there are effective ways to get attacks out against Trump to further ruffle his feathers other than through the campaign, sitting politicians and the party. And not everything needs to be classy. Politics never have been. Don’t see a problem with Warren or people who aren’t really presidential material calling Donald a loser, poopyface, or whatever. I would have a problem with it if it were someone like Tim Kaine, Cory Booker, Kamala Harris, or someone with a potential future as a presidential contender. Maybe Carnal’s saying it’s un-presidential and I agree that it is. But that only matters if we’re dealing with presidential contenders, which Warren is not and never will be. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/632 "2016-08-15T19:42:50Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Ok great. Hopefully the Clinton campaign gets on the phone and gets Silverman or Maher to finally start calling Trump names. You’re a genius. What’s your problem? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/633 "2016-08-15T19:46:14Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Don’t see a problem with Warren or people who aren’t really presidential material calling Donald a loser, poopyface, or whatever. I would have a problem with it if it were someone like Tim Kaine, Cory Booker, Kamala Harris, or someone with a potential future as a presidential contender. Maybe Carnal’s saying it’s un-presidential and I agree that it is. But that only matters if we’re dealing with presidential contenders, which Warren is not and never will be. Absolutely agree. It’s not something for any surrogates with presidential aspirations to touch. Other surrogates, whether political, post-political or celebrity, those kind of attacks can be effective, especially against a candidate with paper-thin skin. ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/634 "2016-08-15T19:46:21Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Guccifer 2.0 has released his latest batch of hacked documents, this time about the Florida campaign. The most shocking revelation? > > Shocking. Democrats reaching out to African Americans. Who knew? So…are they out of good material, or just trying to get Clinton supporters feeling complacent before they release a real bombshell? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/635 "2016-08-15T19:48:12Z")
😃 ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/636 "2016-08-15T19:57:32Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Don’t see a problem with Warren or people who aren’t really presidential material calling Donald a loser, poopyface, or whatever. I would have a problem with it if it were someone like Tim Kaine, Cory Booker, Kamala Harris, or someone with a potential future as a presidential contender. Maybe Carnal’s saying it’s un-presidential and I agree that it is. But that only matters if we’re dealing with presidential contenders, which Warren is not and never will be. Warren is not Presidential material but she was a Harvard law prof, a Senator and an intelligent, educated and successful consumer rights advocate. Lowering herself to Trumpian name calling battles is a big waste of her usefulness. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/637 "2016-08-15T20:04:51Z")
> [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > So…are they out of good material, or just trying to get Clinton supporters feeling complacent before they release a real bombshell? Seriously, I’m assuming that, now that the DNC is over, they’re just releasing what they have when they get it. They may have enough to drip, drip, drip throughout this whole election, but if they have a bombshell, their timing has to be exact for it to matter… and I don’t think they have it. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/638 "2016-08-15T20:05:32Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > I want to hear Hillary say something like this in a speech. > > "You know, my opponent likes to give people nicknames. Lyin’ Ted Cruz, Little Marco Rubio, Pochantas. And, of course, Crooked Hillary. He does this because he feels that he needs to help people remember why they’re not supposed to like them. > > "So I was thinking about whether I should come up with a nickname for my opponent. I tried to think of something that would remind the voting public about his failures, about his misogyny, about his bankruptcies, about his ties to Russia, about his racism, and about the kind of person he is beneath his thin-skinned schoolyard bully veneer. And do you know what I came up with? > > “Donald Trump. I just couldn’t think of anything worse.” I like it! Maybe better coming from a surrogate, though. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/639 "2016-08-15T20:06:11Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Guccifer 2.0 has released his latest batch of hacked documents, this time about the Florida campaign. If you visit the Wordpress page, even the couple commenters seem struggling for something to say 😛 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/640 "2016-08-15T20:10:32Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > I want to hear Hillary say something like this in a speech. > > "You know, my opponent likes to give people nicknames. Lyin’ Ted Cruz, Little Marco Rubio, Pochantas. And, of course, Crooked Hillary. He does this because he feels that he needs to help people remember why they’re not supposed to like them. > > "So I was thinking about whether I should come up with a nickname for my opponent. I tried to think of something that would remind the voting public about his failures, about his misogyny, about his bankruptcies, about his ties to Russia, about his racism, and about the kind of person he is beneath his thin-skinned schoolyard bully veneer. And do you know what I came up with? > > “Donald Trump. I just couldn’t think of anything worse.” That’ll give the over 70 crowd a chuckle! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873.md?page=33)