# Hillary Clinton's Presidential Campaign Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 4, 2016, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873 "2016-05-04T11:09:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/681 "2016-08-18T11:32:42Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Thanks to Trump, both realists and neocons have learned to love Clinton: > > [Hillary Clinton’s neoconservative fan club, explained | Vox](http://www.vox.com/2016/8/17/12494052/hillary-clinton-neocons) Thanks to Trump, the election is less about policies and has become a choice between voting for or against an unhinged, ignorant lunatic. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/682 "2016-08-18T11:46:15Z")
Substantively though, he’s the most isolationist candidate we’ve had in the post-war era. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/683 "2016-08-18T12:20:51Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Substantively though, he’s the most isolationist candidate we’ve had in the post-war era. His stance on foreign policy is all over the place. Killing the families of terrorists, and torturing suspects, aren’t isolationist policies at all. Nor is the idea that we should have kept some troops in Iraq. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/684 "2016-08-18T12:46:46Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > Clinton needs to fear attacks on her marriage from twice divorced, now married to young enough to be his daughter Trump? …while still making weird suggestive remarks to/about his own daughter… (John Oliver is my cite) “Get Off of her, Mr Trump! That’s NOT what we meant by ‘[Family Values](http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/double_x/2016/03/160314_DX_Ivanka-Pregnant.jpg.CROP.article250-medium.jpg)’!!!” > [@msmith537](#): > > Thanks to Trump, the election is less about policies and has become a choice between voting for or against an unhinged, ignorant lunatic. 2016: The [Staples](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YmMNpbFjp0) Election 😃 ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/685 "2016-08-18T12:49:52Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > My son was among the 2,000-some who saw Clinton speak at a high school in Cleveland today. He said she was flat and not all that inspiring, but the crowd was fired up anyway. I saw that speech on telly, and I was impressed, don’t know about the live experience. Contrasted it in my head with Trump’s foreign policy speech, which I caught a bit of as well, and the difference was night and day. Trump was all “read sentence from left teleprompter, pivot head, read sentence from right one, pivot, read…” Clinton was engaging and animated, came across as invested in issues, and actually quite smart. Probably the _smartest_ thing she said, to me, was “I don’t have all the answers” - but we’ll see how that’s spun by the opposition, I’m sure. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/686 "2016-08-18T14:09:24Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Substantively though, he’s the most isolationist candidate we’ve had in the post-war era. You cannot use the substantive in discussing Trump. He has no knowledge on any subject nor does he have the slightest interest in becoming better informed. He reads right wing conspiracy sites and dismisses anything that doesn’t fit his opinion. Isolationist today? Isolationists don’t repeatedly ask why they can’t use nuclear weapons. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/687 "2016-08-18T14:15:57Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > …Isolationists don’t repeatedly ask why they can’t use nuclear weapons. Nor does anyone but a headstrong idiot. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2016, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/688 "2016-08-18T18:05:18Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Nor does anyone but a headstrong idiot. It is always interesting to see how the sides paint their opponents. The GOP makes up crazy lies and half-truths. The Dems mock and joke. And this year, we have\* so much material. \*😛 ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/689 "2016-08-19T03:10:46Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > You cannot use the substantive in discussing Trump. He has no knowledge on any subject nor does he have the slightest interest in becoming better informed. He reads right wing conspiracy sites and dismisses anything that doesn’t fit his opinion. Isolationist today? Isolationists don’t repeatedly ask why they can’t use nuclear weapons. Isolation is not pacifism. Our country was arguably at its most brutal fighting wars when we were isolationist. Isolationist is closer to “don’t give a shit” than “no war!” ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/690 "2016-08-19T03:51:07Z")
[Hillary must have brain damage, because she wears glasses. And she was wearing glasses when she testified about Benghazi, QED.](http://freakoutnation.com/2016/08/fox-and-friends-its-a-sign-of-brain-damage-that-hillary-wears-glasses-video/) ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/691 "2016-08-19T05:50:52Z")
[Hillary leads by 25 percent!](http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/hillary-clinton-gets-25-point-lead-donald-trump-latest-poll-1576340)… …[wait, no, 2 percent!](http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/hillary-lead-trump-poll/2016/08/18/id/744164/) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/692 "2016-08-19T06:12:32Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > [Hillary leads by 25 percent!](http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/hillary-clinton-gets-25-point-lead-donald-trump-latest-poll-1576340)… …[wait, no, 2 percent!](http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/hillary-lead-trump-poll/2016/08/18/id/744164/) Well, that is Rasmussen, assume about 2 or 3 points more in favor of Clinton. As for the former pollster, it seems that the poll is from New York. Only useful to report that Trump is certifiably deluded for thinking that New York is in play. > **[News](https://www.siena.edu/news/)** > > Siena College News > [@](#): > > Hillary Clinton now holds a 30-point lead over Donald Trump, 57-27 percent (up from 54-31 percent in June), and a 25-point lead in a four-way matchup, 50-25 percent, with 16 percent for other candidates, according to a new Siena College poll of New York State registered voters released today. - See more at: [News | Siena College](https://www.siena.edu/news-events/article/clinton-expands-lead-over-trump-to-30-points#sthash.tg5UeFeN.dpuf) ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/693 "2016-08-19T08:49:35Z")
Average lead is about 6 points. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/694 "2016-08-19T14:24:48Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Well, that is Rasmussen, assume about 2 or 3 points more in favor of Clinton. As for the former pollster, it seems that the poll is from New York. Only useful to report that Trump is certifiably deluded for thinking that New York is in play. > > [News | Siena College](https://www.siena.edu/news-events/article/clinton-expands-lead-over-trump-to-30-points) My bad. I thought it was a 25% lead nationally. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/695 "2016-08-19T20:36:05Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > [Hillary leads by 25 percent!](http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/hillary-clinton-gets-25-point-lead-donald-trump-latest-poll-1576340)… …[wait, no, 2 percent!](http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/hillary-lead-trump-poll/2016/08/18/id/744164/) I’m getting a little carsick here. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/696 "2016-08-20T04:26:31Z")
FWIW, here’s CNN’s latest Electoral College projection: [http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/19/politics/road-to-270-electoral-college-map-3-august/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/19/politics/road-to-270-electoral-college-map-3-august/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![john\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@john\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/john_L)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/697 "2016-08-20T05:17:49Z")
FNC said LAtimes had race at around 1 point. 44 - 43 … ?? meanwhile … Hillary’s home for 3 days resting up. Obama’s golfing in NE libland. but Trump visits Louisiana flood areas… terrible disaster. then flies to MI. for another speech tonight. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/698 "2016-08-20T05:24:06Z")
> [@john\_L](#): > > FNC said LAtimes had race at around 1 point. 44 - 43 … ?? > > meanwhile … > Hillary’s home for 3 days resting up. > Obama’s golfing in NE libland. > > but Trump visits Louisiana flood areas… terrible disaster. > then flies to MI. for another speech tonight. And the La. Governor asked Obama to wait a few days so his visit (security) won’t tie up resources. [Trump tours flooded Louisiana, Obama to visit next week](http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-weather-idUSKCN10U1B3) > [@](#): > > **U.S. Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump toured flood-battered Louisiana on Friday, shrugging off the Democratic state governor’s plea for politicians not to stop in areas affected by deadly rains.** > > President Barack Obama said he was also eager for a firsthand look at the damage done by floods that damaged more than 40,000 homes and killed at least 13 people, announcing plans to visit Baton Rouge on Tuesday. > > Obama’s travel requires a massive retinue of Secret Service agents and assistance from local and state law enforcement officials, so the White House usually waits to visit disaster zones to avoid tying up police and emergency resources needed elsewhere. Nice to see Trump is thinking of [del]others[/del] himself. ---
**Author:** ![john\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@john\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/john_L)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/699 "2016-08-20T05:51:39Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > And the La. Governor asked Obama to wait a few days so his visit (security) won’t tie up resources. > [Trump tours flooded Louisiana, Obama to visit next week](http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-weather-idUSKCN10U1B3) > > Nice to see Trump is thinking of [del]others[/del] himself. seen as only an HRC supporter could see it. i can promise you … Louisiana folks don’t see it that way. in fact… Obama scolded Bush for same thing during Katrina. convenient memory loss on that huh. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/700 "2016-08-20T05:58:42Z")
Well, he’s had a lot of those, from debt limits, to trade deals, to changing politics. A typical politician behaving like a typical politician should not shock us. Let’s just hope we don’t fall for it ever again. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873.md?page=36)