# Hillary Clinton's Presidential Campaign Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 4, 2016, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873 "2016-05-04T11:09:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/721 "2016-08-20T16:49:06Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > This. > > But hey. Trump was doing his part to help Louisiana flood victims get over the [devastating play-doh shortage.](http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/donald-trump-goes-to-louisiana-flood-zone-spends-49-seconds-handing-out-play-doh-to-kids-leaves/25753/) What a hero! [He spent all of 49 seconds helping too!](http://www.mediaite.com/online/watch-donald-trump-spend-exactly-49-seconds-helping-out-louisiana-flood-victims/) Once you go over a minute, it becomes _real_ work. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/722 "2016-08-20T17:03:22Z")
> [@computergeek](#): > > It would just be theater really, but I do agree that in an election year, you need to be mindful of the optics. Obama probably should have gone off vacation once it became apparent the floods were really bad and been more visible (at the White House) making sure things got done as well as playing up how much FEMA and others were helping. As I said, it would have just been playing theater, but you gotta grab the optics when politics is involved This definitely looks bad for the President’s re-election. Oops, he’s not running again. From the previously linked\*[The Undoing of George Bush](http://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/08/28/hurricane-katrina-was-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-george-w-bush)\*: > [@](#): > > While all this was going on, the president of the United States remained aloof from the disaster. Day after day, George W. Bush continued a long-planned vacation at his 1,600-acre Prairie Chapel Ranch in Crawford, Texas, and his staff didn’t want to burden him with detailed information about the situation on the Gulf Coast. When Katrina made landfall, Bush had been on holiday at his ranch for 27 days, according to a tabulation kept by CBS News. > > As the hurricane grew into a catastrophe, and as the nation watched the TV coverage in horror, Bush’s aides decided they had to inform the president about it in stark terms. One of his aides put together a video showing scenes of hurricane-ravaged communities and showed it to the president. At this point, Bush decided he should cut his vacation short and return home two days early to preside over the federal response from Washington. He flew back to Washington on August 31, after 29 days at his ranch. I’m pretty sure President Obama hasn’t been sheltered from any of the news. Even on vacation, he can ensure the Feds are doing their part. Hey, he can also walk & chew gum simultaneously; unlike Bush. [Then there’s this:](http://samuel-warde.com/2016/01/hey-conservatives-lets-compare-obama-and-bush-vacations/) > [@](#): > > Last December, CBS News reported that the number of vacation days President Obama has taken since the beginning of his presidency stood at 161 days. If you add the 28 days of vacation he has taken this year his total comes to 189 days. If you add his current vacation in Martha’s Vineyard to the mix that still puts him at under 200 days so far. Even if he took every day off the rest of his term in office that would only add an additional 153 days to his total – still placing him at less than half the vacation days of he predecessor. > > However his predecessor, two-term President George W. Bush, took 879 days of vacation, including 77 trips to his Texas ranch according to a report by The Washington Post. > > According to The Washington Post, “No modern president took less vacation than Jimmy Carter (79 days), while Ronald Reagan spent 335 days at his beloved California ranch.” (Has George even visited his “ranch” since leaving Washington? Or was it just part of his image–like Trump’s “compassion.”) ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/723 "2016-08-20T19:34:04Z")
> [@choie](#): > > [Clinton first tweeted about the floods four days ago, on Aug. 16, suggesting donations to the Red Cross](https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/765675613034250240?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw), before Trump had said a word about it or tied up resources for his little photo op. Nice try at false equivalence, though. You are correct that I missed that tweet: “Closely monitoring the flooding in Louisiana & Mississippi. The @RedCross is helping displaced families in need: [Flood Relief | Disaster Relief | American Red Cross](http://rdcrss.org/2aYiT5W) -H” The point, made more precisely, still however remains: Clinton’s attention to this disaster has been … relatively sparse. From a practical perspective it is of no matter. It does not help flood victims for a candidate to be talking about it and she is not in a position to do anything to help. But from a political POV it was a missed opportunity to message that inclusiveness includes the lower SES rural Whites who right now are overwhelmingly against her. Her election does not depend on winning them over, but it would be easier if the margin of her loss within the demographic was less dramatic, and making progress in the demographic would help inordinately in fighting for the House. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/724 "2016-08-20T19:43:36Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > You are correct that I missed that tweet: “Closely monitoring the flooding in Louisiana & Mississippi. The @RedCross is helping displaced families in need: [Flood Relief | Disaster Relief | American Red Cross](http://rdcrss.org/2aYiT5W) -H” > > The point, made more precisely, still however remains: Clinton’s attention to this disaster has been … relatively sparse. Yes, according to the [Breitbart](http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/18/trump-visits-louisiana-flood-victims-as-hillary-rests-and-obama-vacations/)’s of the world. Meanwhile, in reality: > [@](#): > > Hillary Clinton called Louisiana Gov. John Bel Edwards (D) Friday to discuss the deadly flooding in the state, the Democratic presidential nominee said in a statement. > > In her post, Clinton encouraged supporters to donate to the Red Cross or the Baton Rouge Area Foundation. She also sent the message out in an email to supporters with links to donation pages for both organizations. > > [The Hill](http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/292001-clinton-my-heart-breaks-for-louisiana) You seem to equate not giving out Play-Doh for nearly a minute as “relatively sparse” reaction. She was spreading awareness before Trump did, calling the state governor, actually _listening_ to him (unlike Trump) and she continues to spread awareness. Don’t be shocked when she visits at a more appropriate time (which will cue the Right Wing Media to cry about how she’s just there for a photo op and is late to that as well). I am aware that the people who read Breitbart (or hire their employees to run their campaign) have a different view. But it’s a view of idiots and more to the point, not exactly people who were going to pivot to Hillary Clinton away from Donald Trump in November. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/725 "2016-08-20T20:05:58Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Trump’s only path to victory is to win 65% of white voters. He really doesn’t have a choice but to try to run up the score among whites. That probably goes for most Republicans following him too. Get to 65%, then 70%, then 75%, and the other demographics are irrelevant. And it’s a lot easier as this point than winning more Latino or African-American votes. [White voters](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/19/us/politics/donald-trump-white-men.html?_r=0) are not a single demographic. He is doing well among non-college educated White voters … but much more poorly than Romney did among college-educated Whites and consequently overall does worse than Romney with Whites overall and even no better only looking at the White male demographic. > [@](#): > > “We’re looking at a margin among college-educated white men for him that’s less than half what Romney won,” said Gary Langer, an independent pollster who conducted an ABC News/Washington Post survey this month that showed Mr. Trump losing over all to Mrs. Clinton. “And that is problematic for Trump given his need to appeal to whites.” … > > … William H. Frey, a demographics expert with the Brookings Institution, a nonpartisan think tank, conducted several simulations that tried to determine how much the turnout among white men without college educations would have to increase for Mr. Trump to win. He used the most recent ABC News/Washington Post poll of registered voters that had Mrs. Clinton beating Mr. Trump in a nationwide two-way race, 50 percent to 42 percent. It was among the better polls for Mr. Trump lately. > > Mr. Frey tested different turnout assumptions, including improbably optimistic ones, like if 99 percent of white, non-college-educated men turned out to vote. None of the chain of events produced a Trump victory. > > In fact, even if virtually all of the white, non-college-educated men eligible to vote did so, Mr. Frey found, Mrs. Clinton would still win the popular vote by 1.1 million. > > And Mr. Frey said he did not account for the expected growth in Hispanic turnout. “Once you build that in,” he said, “it’s even worse for Trump.” … [Another take](http://www.npr.org/2016/08/12/489499596/the-latest-clinton-converts-white-college-educated-voters): > [@](#): > > GOP nominee Donald Trump is hoping that white working-class voters can fuel his own victory. But his climb becomes doubly harder as he is far behind Clinton in the demographic bloc that is usually reliably Republican. > > In the last presidential election, Barack Obama lost the college-educated white voters by 14 points. But now Clinton is winning this same group by about 8.7 points, according to an average of the most recent NBC/Wall Street Journal, CNN/ORC and ABC/Washington Post polls. [Most recent Pew poll:](http://www.people-press.org/2016/08/18/1-voters-general-election-preferences/) > [@](#): > > White voters without a college degree support Trump by roughly two-to-one (51% vs. 26%). By a smaller margin, college-educated white voters support Clinton (47%) over Trump (33%). Let’s imagine that those who did not pick one do not vote. That’s 66% of non-college educated Whites voting for Trump and 59% of college educated Whites voting for Clinton. Romney got 62% of the non-college educated White vote and 56% of the college educated White vote. Dial those current numbers with last time’s turnout into the [538 app](http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-swing-the-election/) and it would be a 13 to 14 point Clinton win. I can move the non-college educated White share and turnout a long long ways until it flips the Electoral College (which it does before it flips the popular vote) … I can even lower college educated White turnout to below what I place non-college at and it is still a Trump loss. This photo-op is an appeal only to the non-college educated White demographic. Going with them alone is not a path to likely victory. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/726 "2016-08-20T20:17:54Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > Yes, according to the [Breitbart](http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/18/trump-visits-louisiana-flood-victims-as-hillary-rests-and-obama-vacations/)’s of the world. Meanwhile, in reality:You seem to equate not giving out Play-Doh for nearly a minute as “relatively sparse” reaction. She was spreading awareness before Trump did, calling the state governor, actually _listening_ to him (unlike Trump) and she continues to spread awareness. Don’t be shocked when she visits at a more appropriate time (which will cue the Right Wing Media to cry about how she’s just there for a photo op and is late to that as well). > > I am aware that the people who read Breitbart (or hire their employees to run their campaign) have a different view. But it’s a view of idiots and more to the point, not exactly people who were going to pivot to Hillary Clinton away from Donald Trump in November. You are discussing the practical reality, which is nice, but it has nothing to do with how something is perceived as political reality to the demographic under discussion. The non-college educated demographic in 2012 had a turnout of only 57% and 62% of them voted Romney. She’s unlikely to get a better share of them than Obama did but it would be nice if she was able the turnout to not be much higher. Call them idiots all you want but their votes, if they vote, count as much as yours does … reaching out to them in ways that they see and hear (visit and disruption of rescue operations not required) is not enough to win them, but is enough that some are less likely to bother to come out to vote against you. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/727 "2016-08-20T20:20:14Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > You are discussing the practical reality, which is nice, but it has nothing to do with how something is perceived as political reality to the demographic under discussion. And you are ignoring the \*reality \*reality which summed up my post: > [@](#): > > I am aware that the people who read Breitbart (or hire their employees to run their campaign) have a different view. But it’s a view of idiots and more to the point, not exactly people who were going to pivot to Hillary Clinton away from Donald Trump in November. So you were wrong on the facts and you’re even more wrong if you think it matters. Nobody in any demographic cares enough about this to change their mind and nobody in any demographic that hasn’t made their mind up will use this as a determining factor. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/728 "2016-08-20T20:26:52Z")
And you are ignoring the latter portion of my post … it is not about them pivoting to Clinton away from Trump … it is about the intensity of their anti-Clinton animus and keeping it low enough that they once again don’t bother to vote. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/729 "2016-08-20T20:35:29Z")
Can anyone _imagine_ the howls of indignation that would have occurred if Clinton had gone to Louisiana for a photo-op (against the explicit request of the Governor of the state), and then spent a grand total of 49 seconds “helping” by handing out boxes of Play-doh to her VP candidate? I mean, just picture what the right wing would have made of that. Picture it. I will wait. . . . . . But when Trump does it… Well, it’s just Trump being Trump, right? At this point, he’s in such low esteem that this act of his seems entirely normal. The playing field is not equal. All Trump has to do to maintain his base is not actually shit his pants in public. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/730 "2016-08-20T20:40:19Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > This definitely looks bad for the President’s re-election. Oops, he’s not running again. It’s true that Obama’s not running again, but in a lot of ways, Hillary is being viewed as Obama’s third term. Unlike Al Gore, who distanced himself from the Clinton legacy, Clinton is using Obama’s moderate popularity to whatever advantage she can, and she’s kept the distance between them closer. She’s using her experience in Obama’s administration as a selling point. There are advantages with that approach, but there can be disadvantages. This is especially true given that Trump has made this campaign about promoting a form of white christian nationalism. Sure, Trump is going to win Louisiana anyway, but this is not just about Louisiana. “TrumpBart” wants to use the images from Louisiana to make Obama look a little, well, ‘darker’ in the eyes of impressionable whites in other states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida. I agree that the flood by itself won’t matter, but there are potentially other examples he can exploit. Trump can exploit examples of black on white crime, attacks on police, and civil unrest among other things, and I believe that whereas Manafort wanted to back away from some of the more extreme attacks in favor of a more conventional strategy, Trump may in fact be convinced that he should go further down this path of race-baiting. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/731 "2016-08-20T20:55:12Z")
> [@Euphonious Polemic](#): > > … The playing field is not equal. All Trump has to do to maintain his base is not actually shit his pants in public. … Meh. He _could_ actually shit in his pants in public and maintain his base. His base would eat that shit up. The questions remain though whether or not he can expand beyond his base and whether or not his base actually turns out. Shitting in his pants as a metaphorical stand-in for all of the crap he has done actually does prevent him from expanding beyond his base. Again, Romney won college educated Whites by 14 points and Trump is losing them by over 8. And he sure aint winning over any non-White groups. Actual base turnout though will more driven by how much the base wants to vote against Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/732 "2016-08-20T21:18:53Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > And you are ignoring the latter portion of my post … it is not about them pivoting to Clinton away from Trump … it is about the intensity of their anti-Clinton animus and keeping it low enough that they once again don’t bother to vote. Yeah, I’m sure this is a big issue for them… :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2016, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/733 "2016-08-20T22:57:47Z")
Not understanding the sarcasm here. Do you believe that turnout within the non-college educated voter population is a written in stone number? Do you not think that voter enthusiasm both to vote for a candidate and to vote against one drives turnout within a demographic that is traditionally not a likely of voters as some others? Do you think Clinton animus is a static entity? It is my belief that enthusiasm for Trump among non-college educated White eligible voters is overestimated and that so long as Clinton does not give them major reason to come to vote against her (and in the process other Democratic candidates downticket) the 57% turnout for the group in 2012 is the best they’ll do. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2016, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/734 "2016-08-21T00:39:51Z")
Just to put rural non-college educated voter dislike of Clinton into perspective [here](http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/poll-bright-spots-hillary-clinton-rural-america-n292311) is a January 2016 pre-season view of her positioning in the demographic compared to Obama’s. Now mind you this was before the season started, back when she was more favorable than not, but then she notably had, relative to Obama, strength in that demographic. > [@NBC](#): > > In rural conservative areas - Graying America, Evangelical Hub and Working Class Country counties - 64% have negative views of Obama, but only 48% have negative views of Clinton. And in the huge swath of counties known as Rural Middle America in the ACP, 53% have negative view of Mr. Obama, but only 40% have negative views of Clinton. > > You can see all the county types on this map. > > To be clear, these aren’t great numbers. Clinton’s negatives are still fairly high in those places, but they suggest voters in those counties could possibly be open to her candidacy - at least compared to how they feel about Obama. > > Rural reach is particularly important for Clinton because political analysts have wondered if she can ultimately match the enthusiasm and votes Obama drew from big urban centers. These poll numbers suggest that even if Clinton can’t match that enthusiasm, she may be able to draw some support from other places - even if she can’t win them. It is rare that any single item has a major impact on a campaign and again Clinton can cede the demographic completely to Trump and win just fine. I do though think that working on winning back some favorability in that subgroup would serve her, the Democratic party, and the country well, especially looking beyond this election alone. ---
**Author:** ![john\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@john\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/john_L)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2016, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/735 "2016-08-21T01:19:57Z")
wonder what non political \*\* moms \*\* across entire USA thought about Trump handing out play doh / etc to flood victims ? think they might have empathy for all the **Louisiana moms** ( and her little kids ) that have had their homes flooded , lost everything , and are now in shelters, etc. ? play doh that little kids can now concentrate on , instead of the horrible flood where they lost their house and all their toys. always 2 sides to an event. what did i see from HRC folks today ? schedule of back-n-forth from coast to coast hi $$ fund raising next few days. from Obama ? more golf. Trump ? another good speech. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2016, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/736 "2016-08-21T01:28:26Z")
> [@john\_L](#): > > wonder what non political \*\* moms \*\* across entire USA thought about Trump handing out play doh / etc to flood victims ? > > think they might have empathy for all the **Louisiana moms** ( and her little kids ) that have had their homes flooded , lost everything , and are now in shelters, etc. ? > > play doh that little kids can now concentrate on , instead of the horrible flood where they lost their house and all their toys. > > always 2 sides to an event. > what did i see from HRC folks today ? > schedule of back-n-forth from coast to coast hi $$ fund raising next few days. > > from Obama ? > more golf. > > Trump ? > another good speech. The governor of Louisiana asked Obama to wait. He’s visiting next week, when his security arrangements won’t take away resources from rescue and relief efforts. Trump staged a photo op. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2016, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/737 "2016-08-21T01:29:23Z")
No. None of the mothers I know think any better of Trump because he took advantage of a tragedy for a photo-op. Of course, I know wealthy and/or educated mothers. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2016, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/738 "2016-08-21T01:32:19Z")
> [@john\_L](#): > > what did i see from HRC folks today ? > schedule of back-n-forth from coast to coast hi $$ fund raising next few days. > > from Obama ? > more golf. > > Trump ? > another good speech. HRC: Taking care of the details of business, like she always does Obama: Doing his job and respecting the legal authority of the Governor of Louisiana Trump: Interrupts relief efforts to stage a photo-op when he’s supposed to be richer than King Midas and should merely be able to write a check during a photo-op. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2016, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/739 "2016-08-21T01:38:36Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Trump: Interrupts relief efforts to stage a photo-op when he’s supposed to be richer than King Midas and should merely be able to write a check during a photo-op. And then after making the check, we will find months later that he “forgot” to send it. ---
**Author:** ![john\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@john\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/john_L)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2016, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/740 "2016-08-21T01:53:25Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The governor of Louisiana asked Obama to wait. He’s visiting next week, when his security arrangements won’t take away resources from rescue and relief efforts. Trump staged a photo op. always 2 sides. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873.md?page=36) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873.md?page=38)