# Hillary Clinton's Presidential Campaign Discussion

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873>\
**Category:** Politics & Elections\
**Created:** [May 4, 2016, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873 "2016-05-04T11:09:36Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\
**Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/781 "2016-08-25T10:57:18Z")

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> [@adaher](#):
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> I know, you believe Clinton to be honest and trustworthy. You’re one of those 25%.

So now you’re going back to saying untrue things about me? Cite, or retract.

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**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\
**Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/782 "2016-08-25T10:57:44Z")

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That’s what the evidence shows, don’t it, **adaher**?

There’s a character question involved here, yes - but not necessarily _hers_, yanno. Think about it.

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**Author:** ![crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@crucible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crucible)\
**Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/783 "2016-08-25T12:02:15Z")

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> [@adaher](#):
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> Looks like we’re going to be talking about the Clinton Foundation and special access to the State Department for donors. Which will mean special access to the Clinton administration after January.

> **[Where Does Clinton Foundation Money Go? - FactCheck.org](https://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/where-does-clinton-foundation-money-go/?utm_content=buffer8c978&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer)**
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> Republican presidential candidate Carly Fiorina says that "so little" of the charitable donations to the Clinton Foundation "actually go to charitable works" -- a figure CARLY for America later put at about 6 percent of its annual revenues -- but...

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**Author:** ![crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@crucible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crucible)\
**Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/784 "2016-08-25T12:03:49Z")

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> [@adaher](#):
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> As for contributing to the betterment of impoverished people, Clinton’s free trade deals did that. The Foundation does nothing of the sort. It’s a slush fund. It can loosely be called philanthropy, it just happens to be a type of philanthropy that does more for the philanthropists than any poor people.

> **[Where Does Clinton Foundation Money Go? - FactCheck.org](https://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/where-does-clinton-foundation-money-go/?utm_content=buffer8c978&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer)**
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> Republican presidential candidate Carly Fiorina says that "so little" of the charitable donations to the Clinton Foundation "actually go to charitable works" -- a figure CARLY for America later put at about 6 percent of its annual revenues -- but...

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**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\
**Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/785 "2016-08-25T16:11:59Z")

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[Hillary leads Trump nationally, by 10, in new Quinnipiac poll](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/clinton-leads-trump-by-10-in-national-poll-227406).

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**Author:** ![squidfood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a87d85/32.png) [@squidfood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squidfood)\
**Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/786 "2016-08-25T16:45:18Z")

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My goodness, [absolutely clear ownership and apology](http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/24/politics/clinton-blasts-ridiculous-trump-attacks-on-foundation/index.html)!

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> “I have been asked many, many questions in the past year about emails and what I have learned is that when I try to explain what happened, it can sound like I am trying to excuse what I did. And there are no excuses. I want people to know that the decision to have a single email account was mine. I take responsibly for it. I apologize for it. I would certainly do differently if I could.”

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**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\
**Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/787 "2016-08-25T17:07:38Z")

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[Clinton up 7 in MI in four-way poll](http://www.politico.com/blogs/swing-states-2016-election/2016/08/poll-michigan-clinton-trump-227407).

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**Author:** ![slash2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@slash2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slash2k)\
**Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/788 "2016-08-25T17:17:19Z")

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> [@adaher](#):
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> It’s worse because the amounts they can give openly are truly unlimited.

And exactly how limited are the amounts that can be given (openly or otherwise) to SuperPACs?

For example, [the Koch brothers were at one time planning to spend nearly $900 billion on the 2016 election](http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/27/us/politics/kochs-plan-to-spend-900-million-on-2016-campaign.html?_r=0). How much access do you think that would buy?

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**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\
**Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/789 "2016-08-25T17:24:31Z")

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900 Million not billion. They ain’t that rich.

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**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\
**Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/790 "2016-08-25T17:28:41Z")

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Don’t want to sound like clickbait, but this latest commercial by HRC has completely pissed off the Trump campaign:

[![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcT5anvp9XY)

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**Author:** ![slash2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@slash2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slash2k)\
**Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/791 "2016-08-25T17:36:15Z")

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> [@CarnalK](#):
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> 900 Million not billion. They ain’t that rich.

Yep, my bad. Sorry about the fingers getting ahead of the brain.

Still, close to a billion dollars far exceeds any individual donation to the Clinton Foundation (which has raised [around $2 billion](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clintons-raised-nearly-2-billion-for-foundation-since-2001/2015/02/18/b8425d88-a7cd-11e4-a7c2-03d37af98440_story.html) during its 15-year existence).

If Sheikh Mohammed Al-Amoudi’s donations to the Clinton Foundation (which may have totaled up as much as $10 million) brought him some undesirable access, how much access would $889 million have bought?

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**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\
**Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/792 "2016-08-25T17:44:50Z")

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> [@crucible](#):
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> [Where Does Clinton Foundation Money Go? - FactCheck.org](http://wjcf.co/1sYVGUR)

I was looking for **Adaher** to acknowlege this actual cite, with facts included and everything, and admit he was wrong, but I guess he missed it, so I thought I’d bring it back to his attention.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/793 "2016-08-25T17:55:03Z")

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> [@slash2k](#):
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> …For example, [the Koch brothers were at one time planning to spend nearly $900 [m]illion on the 2016 election](http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/27/us/politics/kochs-plan-to-spend-900-million-on-2016-campaign.html?_r=0). How much access do you think that would buy?

Not a bit!: [https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/1b/f3/c5/1bf3c5cf7bac69ee80f1a6c8e9cf525a.jpg](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/1b/f3/c5/1bf3c5cf7bac69ee80f1a6c8e9cf525a.jpg)

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**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\
**Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/794 "2016-08-25T18:15:42Z")

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> [@Truman\_Burbank](#):
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> I was looking for **Adaher** to acknowlege this actual cite, with facts included and everything, and admit he was wrong, but I guess he missed it, so I thought I’d bring it back to his attention.

In fairness, if **adaher** ’s clicking practices are anything like mine on this board, he’s not going to click on a blind link with no description or context.

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**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\
**Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/795 "2016-08-25T18:23:57Z")

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> [@Frank](#):
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> In fairness, if **adaher** ’s clicking practices are anything like mine on this board, he’s not going to click on a blind link with no description or context.

Yep. And also your opinion of what’s there.

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**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\
**Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/796 "2016-08-25T18:24:23Z")

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It is a link to the nefarious [FactCheck.org](http://FactCheck.org).

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**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\
**Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/797 "2016-08-25T18:31:35Z")

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> [@Truman\_Burbank](#):
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> It is a link to the nefarious [FactCheck.org](http://FactCheck.org).

Thank you for the information.

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**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\
**Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/798 "2016-08-25T18:46:49Z")

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[quote=“JohnT, post:790, topic:753873”]

Don’t want to sound like clickbait, but this latest commercial by HRC has completely pissed off the Trump campaign:

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It’s ad with KKK members and people like David Duke talking about they support Donald because he (Donald) supports things that are important to them. I don’t feel like sitting through it again to check, but it seems to be people talking in their own words about their own feelings for Donald.

I’m sure Donald’s people are angry, but they can’t really object to the facts to presented. Not that facts mean anything to Donald’s fanbase.

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**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\
**Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/799 "2016-08-25T20:58:31Z")

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Hillary pretty much tore out a new asshole for Trump today and beat him up one side and down the other. Those clips on the evening news will be the lead story. Now that she’s up by a good margin in the polls she can go ahead and lay into him and cut his numbers. Trump needs to be roundly defeated by crushing numbers, and it’s looking like Hillary sees this as much of a civic duty as anything else.

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**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\
**Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/800 "2016-08-26T00:38:25Z")

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> [@adaher](#):
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> As for contributing to the betterment of impoverished people, Clinton’s free trade deals did that. The Foundation does nothing of the sort. It’s a slush fund. It can loosely be called philanthropy, it just happens to be a type of philanthropy that does more for the philanthropists than any poor people.

It gets an A rating from [Charity Watch](https://www.charitywatch.org/ratings-and-metrics/bill-hillary-chelsea-clinton-foundation/478), with 88% of spending going to programs, and the rest to overhead.

Truly shameful. :rolleyes:

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