# Hillary Clinton's Presidential Campaign Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 4, 2016, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873 "2016-05-04T11:09:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 45
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2016, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/881 "2016-09-05T17:45:55Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Always good form to include the actual source when offering a citation. Sorry, my bad. It’s from [https://vault.fbi.gov/hillary-r.-clinton](https://vault.fbi.gov/hillary-r.-clinton). The paragraph I quoted was in the “Hillary R. Clinton Part 01 of 02” PDF, on page 2. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2016, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/882 "2016-09-05T19:11:39Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > … Trump is making hay over how RIDICULOUS it is that Hillary is claiming she doesn’t know what a C means! When every _schoolchild_ knows what a C means!!!11!!!1!!! Etc. …’ > [@Gyrate](#): > > Cookie? Sure–as far as _Trump_ knows: > [@elucidator](#): > > [Trump Mocks Clinton Classification Mistake, Makes Mistake Himself - TPM – Talking Points Memo](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-clinton-classified-confidential) > **Trump Mocks Clinton Classification Mistake, Makes Mistake Himself** > Well, boy, is my face red! Orange. Whatever. i kinda thought (c) meant “classified”, but turns out it means “confidential”, which is the category for nuclear launch codes … Good ol’ Donny–he always manages to get it wrong. He’s absolutely reliable. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2016, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/883 "2016-09-05T19:15:22Z")
As a Clinton supporter, I am getting increasingly tired of hearing about the emails. What frustrates me even more is Clinton’s seeming inability to move past the issue. At this point shouldn’t we be talking about her positions on taxes, immigration, global warming, healthcare, the multiple foreign policy issues (ISIS, Chinese aggression in the South China Sea, Russian threats against the Baltic countries, North Korea’s advancing nuclear program, etc.) passing a budget, the war on drugs, and countless other issues that matter in the real world. Instead the media keeps focusing on her emails and the Clinton foundation, as if those things actually matter to the lives of ordinary Americans. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2016, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/884 "2016-09-05T19:23:48Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > There is simply no evidence, or lack of it, capable of getting your consideration regarding Ms. Clinton, is there? You already \*know \*The Truth, don’t you? I don’t know whether she’d lie about a Russian hack, but coremelt already assumes they will. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2016, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/885 "2016-09-05T19:28:43Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > As a Clinton supporter, I am getting increasingly tired of hearing about the emails. What frustrates me even more is Clinton’s seeming inability to move past the issue. At this point shouldn’t we be talking about her positions on taxes, immigration, global warming, healthcare, the multiple foreign policy issues (ISIS, Chinese aggression in the South China Sea, Russian threats against the Baltic countries, North Korea’s advancing nuclear program, etc.) passing a budget, the war on drugs, and countless other issues that matter in the real world. Instead the media keeps focusing on her emails and the Clinton foundation, as if those things actually matter to the lives of ordinary Americans. It’s easy to move past the issue: come clean. You move past things by coming clean and moving on. It’s new revelations that keep stories in the media. No new details, no story. There’s a reason we didn’t hear new Keating revelations during the McCain campaign. Because McCain settled the issue quickly by being truthful from the start. Clinton would have clammed up, answering only the questions she had to, and would lie. So there’d be new Keating revelations for months or years. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2016, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/886 "2016-09-05T19:33:07Z")
Those of you wanting this to be about _Clinton’s_ behavior, not that of her many implacable opponents: Just what \*are \*those magic words that would make the bullshit stop? What magic incantation could she recite that would end the yammering? Some of you keep insisting, frustratedly, that she could do it, but tell us, how? What could she say that would make, for instance, you, **adaher** , get the fuck over it and focus on real stuff? Or maybe you could acknowledge that the VRWC is real and that you’re enabling it. Meanwhile, she’s doing the right thing by focusing on the job, not legitimizing the hyenas. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2016, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/887 "2016-09-05T19:33:46Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > As a Clinton supporter, I am getting increasingly tired of hearing about the emails. What frustrates me even more is Clinton’s seeming inability to move past the issue. At this point shouldn’t we be talking about her positions on taxes, immigration, global warming, healthcare, the multiple foreign policy issues (ISIS, Chinese aggression in the South China Sea, Russian threats against the Baltic countries, North Korea’s advancing nuclear program, etc.) passing a budget, the war on drugs, and countless other issues that matter in the real world. Instead the media keeps focusing on her emails and the Clinton foundation, as if those things actually matter to the lives of ordinary Americans. It’s easy to move past the issue: come clean. You move past things by coming clean and moving on. It’s new revelations that keep stories in the media. No new details, no story. There’s a reason we didn’t hear new Keating revelations during the McCain campaign. Because McCain settled the issue quickly by being truthful from the start. Clinton would have clammed up, answering only the questions she had to, and would lie. So there’d be new Keating revelations for months or years. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2016, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/888 "2016-09-05T19:35:57Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Those of you wanting this to be about _Clinton’s_ behavior, not that of her many implacable opponents: Just what \*are \*those magic words that would make the bullshit stop? What magic incantation could she recite that would end the yammering? Some of you keep insisting, frustratedly, that she could do it, but tell us, how? What could she say that would make you, **adaher** , get the fuck over it and focus on real stuff? > > Or maybe you could acknowledge that the VRWC is real and that you’re enabling it. You ask easy questions: As soon as she left office, she should have turned over all of her work related emails, not waited until an FOIA demand, which meant that as her campaign was getting started, that’s when we found out she had a private email account. Her private email account should have been known to the public the day after her resignation as Secretary of State. By the time her campaign started, it would be old news. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2016, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/889 "2016-09-05T19:39:47Z")
IOW, legitimized the hyenas. Bzzt, wrong. Nope, you know as well as anyone you’d just find something else about her to rail against. Have you ever stopped to think about how trivial the worst thing your highly-motivated guys have actually come up with really is? How that context means it’s virtually a declaration of sainthood? Or is it just always “Hillary bad” no matter what? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2016, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/890 "2016-09-05T19:41:34Z")
Now what did she do instead? She turned over ZERO work related emails until an FOIA request, then disingenuosly said in a tweet, “I want the public to read my emails.” If that was true, they would have already been released. Then she didn’t turn over all her work related emails, by now hundreds have been found. Then she said no classified info passed through her server, which was a lie. Then she said it was allowed, which was at best a half truth. It was only allowed because she never asked permission, which the IG said would have been denied. Then she actively lies about the results of the FBI investigation, because she thinks you’re all morons. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2016, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/891 "2016-09-05T19:43:26Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > IOW, legitimized the hyenas. Bzzt, wrong. > > Nope, you know as well as anyone you’d just find something else about her to rail against. Have you ever stopped to think about how trivial the worst thing your highly-motivated guys have actually come up with really is? How that context means it’s virtually a declaration of sainthood? Or is it just always “Hillary bad” no matter what? Stupid, awful, horrible, nonsensical argument, but one that she has internalized. Doesn’t matter if she breaks all the rules or lies her ass off, they’ll just persecute her anyway. The other half of that pathology is that she thinks her supporters are useful idiots. She can lie to them and they’ll eat it up. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2016, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/892 "2016-09-05T19:44:15Z")
There is nothing to do other than keep ignoring it. She is doing absolutely the right thing. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2016, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/893 "2016-09-05T19:50:36Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Those of you wanting this to be about _Clinton’s_ behavior, not that of her many implacable opponents: Just what \*are \*those magic words that would make the bullshit stop? What magic incantation could she recite that would end the yammering? Some of you keep insisting, frustratedly, that she could do it, but tell us, how? What could she say that would make, for instance, you, **adaher** , get the fuck over it and focus on real stuff? > > Or maybe you could acknowledge that the VRWC is real and that you’re enabling it. Meanwhile, she’s doing the right thing by focusing on the job, not legitimizing the hyenas. I think she should call a press conference with the purpose of answering any concerns regarding the email servers and Clinton foundation. She could give an opening statement to the effect that calls out the questions surrounding these issues as largely irrelevant, but that she wants to clear the air so that everyone can move on. After answering all the questions, she could give a closing statement that the air has been cleared and it was time to move on and that in the future she will be more available to the press, but only to discuss real issues. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2016, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/894 "2016-09-05T19:51:55Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Stupid, awful, horrible, nonsensical argument, but one that she has internalized. Doesn’t matter if she breaks all the rules or lies her ass off, they’ll just persecute her anyway. The other half of that pathology is that she thinks her supporters are useful idiots. She can lie to them and they’ll eat it up. There have been eight investigations into Benghazi. All have concluded she did nothing wrong yet that drum is still being beaten louder than ever. What makes you think it would be any different with the emails? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2016, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/895 "2016-09-05T19:54:09Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Stupid, awful, horrible, nonsensical argument, but one that she has internalized. Doesn’t matter if she breaks all the rules or lies her ass off Stupid, awful, horrible, nonsensical argument, but one that _you_ have internalized. :rolleyes: > [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > I think she should call a press conference with the purpose of answering any concerns regarding the email servers and Clinton foundation. She’s done all that, under oath in front of Congress, multiple times, for many hours. Hasn’t stopped 'em, has it? It isn’t about _her_ behavior or character, and never has been, has it? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2016, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/896 "2016-09-05T19:55:07Z")
And how damaging has Benghazi been to her candidacy compared to the email and Clinton Foundation stuff? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2016, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/897 "2016-09-05T19:57:18Z")
Up 3.4%, with a whopping 41.3% of the vote: [http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general\_election\_trump\_vs\_clinton\_vs\_johnson\_vs\_stein-5952.html](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-5952.html) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2016, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/898 "2016-09-05T20:02:00Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > And how damaging has Benghazi been to her candidacy compared to the email and Clinton Foundation stuff? She’s your next President; that’s how damaging your efforts to get her for something have been. It isn’t just that you and your party have been desperately spreading bullshit instead of trying persuasion on the issues; it’s that it keeps blowing up in your face and _you keep on doing it anyway_. Don’t you ever feel like Wile E. Coyote? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2016, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/899 "2016-09-05T20:04:40Z")
She has Donald Trump for an opponent and she can’t put him away. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2016, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/900 "2016-09-05T20:07:23Z")
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