# Hillary Clinton's Presidential Campaign Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 4, 2016, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873 "2016-05-04T11:09:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 57
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1121 "2016-09-10T12:23:09Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > I don’t see as a racially oriented. She cited xenophobics, homophobics, misogynists and other non-racial descriptors in addition to racists. Alt-right can’t decide if she just insulted or complimented them. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1122 "2016-09-10T12:29:32Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > She’s 100 percent right, but I’m not sure it was particularly wise to say it. I think it just amplifies the division among racial lines, and it’s the sort of approach that can turn off white voters in mid-American states. And remember, they’re the ones who are ‘undecided’. If you don’t stop freaking out with worry every time Clinton breathes, you’ll never make it to November. ---
**Author:** ![Beelzebubba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Beelzebubba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beelzebubba)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1123 "2016-09-10T12:50:51Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Given the enormity of the competence gap between Clinton and Trump, this election is surely the most important of our lifetimes. The U.S.A. is faced with an existential crisis. > > This is not the time to debate whether we like how Hillary combs her hair. Heck, she could confess to murder and it would still be clear to all rational observers that they should campaign as vigorously for her as possible! This is the point that I’ve been trying to make to various friends, family and coworkers (as well as on other forums). I consider myself a Libertarian, at least most of my political ideas fall in line best with them, but I have voted for Republican, Democrat and Libertarian Presidential candidates over the last two decades (1996 was the first year I was old enough to vote). But I have NEVER been afraid (terrified, actually) of what will happen if a certain candidate wins. Trump simply cannot win!!! It would be apocalyptic (and I mean that literally) and would do irreparable harm to this country, our relations with other countries and many Americans would suffer. He is a maniacal, narcissistic, egotistical (possible sociopath) that must not be elected!!! I don’t understand all of the anti-Hillary hatred. Sure, she’s very reserved and not warm and fuzzy. She also refused to play the role of the traditional First Lady, which is where I think a lot of the animosity started. I also think that a lot of hatred for Bill Clinton’s alleged indiscretions were directed at her as well. After they left the White House, she began her official ‘political’ career and her ambition intimidated many people. She is a flawed human being who has made poor decisions at times. But if put under a microscope, what politicians haven’t done the same and often much worse? She is overwhelmingly the most qualified candidate (more so than any we’ve had in the last several elections). Keeping our country running and keeping us safe is the most important role of the President and I certainly think that Hillary can do that and Trump can’t! There’s a reason that so many Republican leaders are publicly (and even more privately) supporting Hillary and not Trump. That should say all that needs to be said! ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1124 "2016-09-10T13:02:47Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > She’s 100 percent right, but I’m not sure it was particularly wise to say it. I think it just amplifies the division among racial lines, and it’s the sort of approach that can turn off white voters in mid-American states. And remember, they’re the ones who are ‘undecided’. > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/09/09/clinton-half-of-trumps-supporters-fit-in-basket-of-deplorables/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/09/09/clinton-half-of-trumps-supporters-fit-in-basket-of-deplorables/) I don’t see that as a racial statement, but she sure should have been more diplomatic about her phrasing. To criticize her opponent’s voters is surprisingly not smart from her campaign. I think of her campaign as a well oiled machine, operating with purpose and precision. She’s going to unnecessarily take a few lumps now, and possibly fire up Trump supporters. She should have learned from Obama’s “cling to bibles and guns” statement. Insulting the voters is no step forward. ---
**Author:** ![DonLogan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@DonLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DonLogan)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1125 "2016-09-10T13:55:01Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > She’s 100 percent right, but I’m not sure it was particularly wise to say it. I think it just amplifies the division among racial lines, and it’s the sort of approach that can turn off white voters in mid-American states. And remember, they’re the ones who are ‘undecided’. > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/09/09/clinton-half-of-trumps-supporters-fit-in-basket-of-deplorables/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/09/09/clinton-half-of-trumps-supporters-fit-in-basket-of-deplorables/) This is bad. Very bad. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1126 "2016-09-10T13:57:33Z")
KIRK: Surely Lazarus must realize what would happen if you should meet face to face outside the corridor. LAZARUS B: Of course he knows, Captain, but he’s mad. You heard him. He’s lost his mind. LAZARUS B: When our people found a way to slip through the warp and prove another universe, an identical one, existed, it was too much for him. LAZARUS B: He could not live knowing that I lived. He became obsessed with the idea of destroying me. LAZARUS B: The fact that it meant his own destruction, and everything else, meant nothing to him. KIRK: So you’re the terrible thing, the murdering monster. The creature. LAZARUS B: Yes, Captain. Or he is. It depends on your point of view, doesn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1127 "2016-09-10T13:58:50Z")
If those things are not “deplorable”, what is? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1128 "2016-09-10T14:28:49Z")
> [@DonLogan](#): > > This is bad. Very bad. No it’s not. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1129 "2016-09-10T14:41:50Z")
> [@DonLogan](#): > > This is bad. Very bad. Why’s that? ---
**Author:** ![nani](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/58956e/32.png) [@nani](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nani)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1130 "2016-09-10T14:52:16Z")
She was being generous with just half. Her comments might have been triggering, though. Trump supporters need a safe space. Of course it’s not like those baskets have no overlap. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1131 "2016-09-10T14:52:38Z")
Some people here have been very hard time recognizing moral leadership. ---
**Author:** ![DonLogan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@DonLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DonLogan)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1132 "2016-09-10T14:57:04Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Why’s that? It’s terrible form. It’s OK to link the candidate to undesirable individual supporters or groups or ideas, alt-right, KKK, etc. It’s completely different to directly go and say half your opponent’s supporters are deplorable. Whether it’s true or not doesn’t matter, you don’t do it. It’s completely unnecessary and playing with fire. I don’t think Trump has even gone that far yet. Good thing 9/11 is tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1133 "2016-09-10T15:08:27Z")
> [@DonLogan](#): > > This is bad. Very bad. > [@QuickSilver](#): > > Why’s that? Now comes bass solo. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1134 "2016-09-10T15:13:01Z")
Which all belong to us! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1135 "2016-09-10T15:14:47Z")
> [@DonLogan](#): > > …Good thing 9/11 is tomorrow. Is he going to show us the video of all those Muslims celebrating? Or would that be “bad form”? ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1136 "2016-09-10T15:23:50Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Is he going to show us the video of all those Muslims celebrating? Or would that be “bad form”? 🙂 Exactly. Apparently, some people think it’s okay to condemn **smaller** groups of people (arguably unfairly – though I’d say it’s unfair), while **larger** groups should get a pass (condemning them again being arguably unfair – though I’d say it’s mostly fair). ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1137 "2016-09-10T15:25:49Z")
**Beelzebubba** , your post sums things up nicely. Spread the word among any swing-state acquaintances you might have! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1138 "2016-09-10T15:29:33Z")
> [@squidfood](#): > > Or Bohr talking about Heisenberg: “The opposite of a trivial truth is plainly false. The opposite of a great truth is also true.” Is Bohr’s claim there supposed to be a trivial truth, or a great truth? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1139 "2016-09-10T16:06:34Z")
[Clinton: Half of Trump supporters are in ‘basket of deplorables’](http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/09/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-basket-of-deplorables/index.html) That’s not going to help her sinking poll numbers. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1140 "2016-09-10T16:17:38Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > [Clinton: Half of Trump supporters are in ‘basket of deplorables’](http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/09/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-basket-of-deplorables/index.html) > That’s not going to help her sinking poll numbers. They haven’t been sinking. The bounce went away, but she’s been steady since late August at about 4 ahead or so. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873.md?page=56) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873.md?page=58)