# Hillary Clinton's Presidential Campaign Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 4, 2016, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873 "2016-05-04T11:09:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 69
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 9:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1361 "2016-09-16T09:31:28Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Comment is superfluous. Their writers have those bios on _all_ the articles. Like on [this one](http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave.asp) about boiled water exploding: > [@](#): > > founded [snopes.com](http://snopes.com) in 1994, and under his guidance the company has pioneered a number of revolutionary technologies, including the iPhone, the light bulb, beer pong, and a vaccine for a disease that has not yet been discovered. He is currently seeking political asylum in the Duchy of Grand Fenwick. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 9:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1362 "2016-09-16T09:45:38Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > _Clinton_ could be more transparent? > > Of the two candidates, which has released actual medical records? > > Of the two candidates, which has released their tax returns? > > It constantly baffles me how Trump is a serial liar and con man, with shady dealings and Russian contracts and questionable businesses going back decades; but \*Clinton \*is the one who needs to be more transparent. Believe me, I don’t like writing it, and I get what you’re saying, but yes, Clinton could be more transparent. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1363 "2016-09-16T10:05:55Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Believe me, I don’t like writing it, and I get what you’re saying, but yes, Clinton could be more transparent. Before I decide if I agree with you, give me some examples of politicians that are more transparent than Hillary. Transparent relative to whom? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1364 "2016-09-16T10:20:31Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Before I decide if I agree with you, give me some examples of politicians that are more transparent than Hillary. Transparent relative to whom? Barack Obama and Bernie Sanders. I don’t recall either of them having to walk back false statements, claiming that they “short circuited” or stubbornly refusing to acknowledge they were sick and trying to hide a diagnosis from their own campaign team. I don’t remember them avoiding press conferences either. Do you? Look, I get what you’re saying – Trump is a pathological liar and Clinton has been maligned unfairly in the media. I don’t disagree. But it’s also true that Clinton could be more forthright and stop trying to lawyer her way through the campaign. I’m telling you now: she’s not going to win the election that way. She needs to start showing people that she has convictions and she needs to stop fearing the public. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1365 "2016-09-16T10:25:25Z")
> **[Donald Trump Again Plays Birther Card; Then Has Spokesman Take It Back](https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-again-plays-birther-card-then-has-spokesman-take-it-back)** > > The Republican presidential candidate continues with what, to put it in his own words, has been ‘one of the greatest cons in the history of politics and beyond.’ This is an angle she and her campaign need to start playing up in a big way. Every tour stop in places like Detroit, Flint, Toledo, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Philly, Atlanta, Charlotte…everywhere. She needs to hammer away at this. His weakness is that he is stubborn and doesn’t like to back down to people who push “political correctness” in his face. Make him say it “Barack Obama is a natural born citizen who was born in the United States.” Taunt him and goad him in front of large crowds of minority voters and make him say it. This is one issue the media will follow and it is the one issue that might piss African Americans and other minority voters off enough to show up at the polls and vote. One of two things will happen: Trump will either continue to try to shrug it off and the volume of the outcry will get louder, or he will give in and look a little weaker in the eyes of his supporters. She really needs to go after him on this. ---
**Author:** ![soonerblue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/soonerblue/32/3302_2.png) [@soonerblue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/soonerblue)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1366 "2016-09-16T10:53:00Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > [Donald Trump Again Plays Birther Card; Then Has Spokesman Take It Back](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/16/donald-trump-again-plays-birther-card-then-has-spokesman-take-it-back.html) > > This is an angle she and her campaign need to start playing up in a big way. Every tour stop in places like Detroit, Flint, Toledo, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Philly, Atlanta, Charlotte…everywhere. She needs to hammer away at this. His weakness is that he is stubborn and doesn’t like to back down to people who push “political correctness” in his face. Make him say it “Barack Obama is a natural born citizen who was born in the United States.” Taunt him and goad him in front of large crowds of minority voters and make him say it. This is one issue the media will follow and it is the one issue that might piss African Americans and other minority voters off enough to show up at the polls and vote. > > One of two things will happen: Trump will either continue to try to shrug it off and the volume of the outcry will get louder, or he will give in and look a little weaker in the eyes of his supporters. She really needs to go after him on this. He said he’ll answer that question at the right time, that he just doesn’t want to answer it yet. Wouldn’t it be something if he’s waiting for the first debate, and when they ask him if he believes that President Obama was born in America, he simply says “Yes.”? Boy, that would take the wind out of somebody’s sails. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1367 "2016-09-16T10:56:39Z")
> [@soonerblue](#): > > He said he’ll answer that question at the right time, that he just doesn’t want to answer it yet. > > Wouldn’t it be something if he’s waiting for the first debate, and when they ask him if he believes that President Obama was born in America, he simply says “Yes.”? > > Boy, that would take the wind out of somebody’s sails. That strategy _might_ work, but it’s also possible that the issue starts doing real damage in the polls before then. But that depends on how the Clinton campaign plays the issue and what kind of media attention that receives. That’s why I think she and her surrogates really ought to start making some noise on this issue – there’s an opening that can be exploited. If she does that, I think that also gives her more of an opening to start talking on the larger issue of racism and sexism and dividing the country at the debate. She can say on one hand “Look I misspoke and it was wrong for me to label voters like that but there is no question that his campaign is loaded with racists and sexists and I’m not going to pretend that doesn’t exist.” And again, she needs to look into the camera and talk to voters: Google Steve Bannon and anti-semitism, etc" She needs to start being the candidate with convictions. She’s got probably one chance. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1368 "2016-09-16T11:01:54Z")
Agreed. I’m surprised it hasn’t been more of an issue until now. It was the centerpiece of Trump’s serious foray into politics, and it sums up all the rest of his stupidity and bigotry in a nice, neat package. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1369 "2016-09-16T11:37:21Z")
> [@soonerblue](#): > > He said he’ll answer that question at the right time, that he just doesn’t want to answer it yet. > > Wouldn’t it be something if he’s waiting for the first debate, and when they ask him if he believes that President Obama was born in America, he simply says “Yes.”? > > Boy, that would take the wind out of somebody’s sails. I don’t think so. All his supporters who are convinced that Obummer is a crypto-Muslim from Kenya will see it as submitting to political correctness, and it weakens him in the eyes of any undecided voters that are uncertain about Obama. If they can’t trust Trumps bigotry, who can they trust? Is he a tough guy that stands up to liberals, or does he knuckle under when backed into a corner? Maybe they will just stay home; advantage Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1370 "2016-09-16T11:42:17Z")
> [@soonerblue](#): > > Wouldn’t it be something if he’s waiting for the first debate, and when they ask him if he believes that President Obama was born in America, he simply says “Yes.”? > > Boy, that would take the wind out of somebody’s sails. Not to someone who’s done a gram of preparation, i.e. not Matt Lauer. Just follow on by asking “Then why did you say … ?” and “What have your investigators in Hawaii found, and when do you plan to announce it?” and so forth. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1372 "2016-09-16T11:56:18Z")
Well, I’m convinced. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1373 "2016-09-16T11:59:09Z")
> [@WardB](#): > > [LOL](https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/trump-campaign-statement) > \*- SEPTEMBER 15, 2016 - > > TRUMP CAMPAIGN STATEMENT\* > > … [His campaign’s statement that Trump accepts the truth of Obama’s birthplace is filled with falsehoods.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/15/the-trump-campaign-acknowledges-the-truth-of-obamas-birthplace-layering-it-with-a-number-of-falsehoods/) > [@](#): > > “Hillary Clinton’s campaign first raised this issue to smear then-candidate Barack Obama in her very nasty, failed 2008 campaign for President,” the statement begins. That’s untrue — and it’s been fact-checked any number of times. In 2011, Politico outlined the origins; in May, our fact checkers dubbed it ridiculous. And so on. (Washington Post link limits free views.) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1374 "2016-09-16T12:08:09Z")
> [@WardB](#): > > [“]Mr. Trump is now totally focused on bringing jobs back to America, defeating radical Islamic terrorism, taking care of our veterans, introducing school choice opportunities and rebuilding and making our inner cities safe again.” – Jason Miller, Senior Communications Advisor That’ll be the same Trump that has several products manufactured abroad and has espoused policies that would radicalize more Muslims, create more veterans - and dead soldiers - by instigating major wars for trivial reasons, defund poorer schools, increase the income disparity between rich and poor and allow more guns to be available in the inner cities. Because that make sense. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1375 "2016-09-16T12:11:10Z")
> [@](#): > > In 2011, Mr. Trump was finally able to bring this ugly incident to its conclusion by successfully compelling President Obama to release his birth certificate. Except that’s not what happened. Obama released his birth certificate before Trump got on the birther train. Birtherism was a response to the birth certificate, not a movement to get it released. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1376 "2016-09-16T12:23:21Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > Except that’s not what happened. Obama released his birth certificate before Trump got on the birther train. I believe Hawaii released the original “long form” version after Trump’s involvement, in part due to Trump’s idiotic claims and just in time for it to be put up on the big screen at the infamous 2011 White House Correspondents Dinner in which Obama roasted Trump fourteen ways to Sunday. Remember this bit? > [@Obama](#): > > But all kidding aside, obviously, we all know about your credentials and breadth of experience. For example — no, seriously, just recently, in an episode of ‘Celebrity Apprentice’ — at the steakhouse, the men’s cooking team did not impress the judges from Omaha Steaks. And there was a lot of blame to go around. But you, Mr. Trump, recognized that the real problem was a lack of leadership. And so ultimately, you didn’t blame Lil Jon or Meatloaf. You fired Gary Busey. And these are the kind of decisions that would keep me up at night. Well handled, sir. Well handled. …and remember that, while he was mock-praising Trump for making “the tough decisions”, a team of SEALs was on its way to kill Osama bin Laden? I bet Donald hasn’t forgotten that. I bet he hasn’t forgotten that night at all. ---
**Author:** ![GulfTiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e79b87/32.png) [@GulfTiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GulfTiger)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1377 "2016-09-16T12:24:09Z")
> [@WardB](#): > > You all aren’t very good at staying caught up, are you? Neither is Crooked, she is too busy losing arguments with a cartoon frog, to quote the Dilbert guy, and trying to stay upright. He’s playing 4-D intergalactic chess with her. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1378 "2016-09-16T12:50:26Z")
> [@WardB](#): > > You all aren’t very good at staying caught up, are you? Neither is Crooked, she is too busy losing arguments with a cartoon frog, to quote the Dilbert guy, and trying to stay upright. So, who you voting for on election day? 'Cause I’m not making a decision until I hear from all the anonymous mooks on Internet message boards. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1380 "2016-09-16T13:56:19Z")
> [@WardB](#): > > Not the one funded by the racist Saudi slave owners who execute people for being gay or atheist. And you? I’m not voting for that one either, since there isn’t such a person in the race currently. But the question was, “who are you voting for?”, not “Who are you not voting for”. I believe we already have that information. Are you embarrassed to say the name, for some reason? ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1381 "2016-09-16T13:57:41Z")
How nice for our newest member to supply the latest [Right Wing glurge](http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/jordan-petra-saudi-clinton-hack/)… > [@](#): > > Hackers attacking Jordan’s government-owned news agency took aim at Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign, publishing a false report about illegal foreign campaign funding. > > Petra, the Jordanian agency, suffered a “technical failure” on its website the night of June 12, according to an official statement. That failure was an"attempt to hack the agency’s transmission system and its website." > > In that time, a false report was published claiming that Saudi Arabian royalty funded 20 percent of Clinton’s presidential campaign totalling $42.4 million. That was re-reported elsewhere almost instantly. The report was pulled down without much immediate explanation, adding another “mysterious” twist to the story for some. You can read the full report here. Might these be the Russian hackers working for Trump’s hero? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2016, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1382 "2016-09-16T14:14:07Z")
> [@WardB](#): > > TRUMP CAMPAIGN STATEMENT > > "Hillary Clinton’s campaign first raised this issue to smear then-candidate Barack Obama in her very nasty, failed 2008 campaign for President. This is a lie. > **[Did Hillary Clinton start the Obama birther movement?](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2015/sep/23/donald-trump/hillary-clinton-obama-birther-fact-check/)** > > Call it ricochet politics. First, a questioner at a New Hampshire rally for Donald Trump repeats the lie that President Ergo, > [@](#): > > This type of vicious and conniving behavior is straight from the Clinton Playbook. This is also a lie. > [@](#): > > In 2011, Mr. Trump was finally able to bring this ugly incident to its conclusion by successfully compelling President Obama to release his birth certificate. Also a lie. Not only did Trump not jump on the bandwagon until after the certificate was released, he continued pimping the issue for _years_ after the fact. Recall him threatening a “bombshell” shortly before the election, which turned out to be… fucking nothing. > [@](#): > > Mr. Trump did a great service to the President and the country by bringing closure to the issue that Hillary Clinton and her team first raised. Again, everything about this is a lie. It was not a service, it was a public nuisance, and Clinton was not the person who started it, nor did she continue to fuel it at any point - that was _Trump_. > [@](#): > > Mr. Trump is now totally focused on bringing jobs back to America, defeating radical Islamic terrorism, taking care of our veterans, introducing school choice opportunities and rebuilding and making our inner cities safe again." – Jason Miller, Senior Communications Advisor\* Still a lie. If he was “totally focused” on these issues, he’d have _something_ resembling a plan on any of them. He doesn’t. By weight, this article is more than 50% lie. This is what people are talking about when they say that Trump is _unprecedented_ in his dishonesty. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873.md?page=68) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873.md?page=70)