# Hillary Clinton's Presidential Campaign Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 4, 2016, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873 "2016-05-04T11:09:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 76
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1503 "2016-09-26T20:19:43Z")
Like **Evil Economist** noticed, that was an example of [nutpicking](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nutpicking). Yes, it would be interesting to see all go to pot. But those that follow discord should be aware that the saying of “may you live in interesting times” is not a blessing but a curse. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1504 "2016-09-26T21:33:55Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > I’m not sure the opinion of internet trolls is all that useful. Interestingly, Trump is literally an internet troll. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1505 "2016-09-27T03:35:46Z")
Oh, if only he limited his trolling to the Internet… ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1506 "2016-09-27T13:36:29Z")
Early polling suggests Hillary won the first debate: [Poll: Hillary Clinton wins first presidential debate](http://www.aol.com/article/news/2016/09/27/poll-hillary-clinton-wins-first-presidential-debate/21479827/) Here’s CNN’s fact-checking: [http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/26/politics/fact-check-presidential-debate/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/26/politics/fact-check-presidential-debate/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1507 "2016-09-27T14:41:55Z")
I actually think this debate performance is a good rejoinder to charges that Hillary is an awful candidate. She’s not a great candidate – she’s not very good on the stump, and she has tons of baggage. But she’s very, very sharp in the debates, and that’s an important part of a campaign. She’s not an awful candidate – she’s just not a great one, and 2 of the Democratic Party’s last 4 nominees for President were historically great candidates. She’s probably better than Gore and Kerry, and both of them came very, very close to winning. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1508 "2016-09-27T14:43:49Z")
Better than Kerry, by miles and miles and miles. I think Gore was actually better though, and he did win in the sense of “if the election wasn’t a giant cockup he would have been President.” Clinton’s an interesting case though, because I think she’s lesser than the winning Dems, but greater than the losers. Which is why it’s close, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1509 "2016-09-27T16:07:31Z")
Al Gore said in one post-2000 speech, “As I learned from many years in politics, you win some, you lose some… and then there’s that little-known third option.” ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1510 "2016-09-27T17:51:42Z")
To the extent Gore made it close, it wasn’t about his quality as a candidate but his campaign strategy. Distancing himself from a popular President was just such a bad, bad choice. Clinton’s doing the right thing even though Obama is a lot less popular than Bill. When you’re trying to succeed a President of your own party you have to portray his Presidency as something that would want to be celebrated and continued. Her problem is lack of a unifying message other than “it’s my time”. Trump does have a message, a very clear one. This might be the first time that a candidate with a muddled message beats one with a clear message. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1511 "2016-09-27T22:44:00Z")
I think Kerry, while not perfect by any stretch, is vastly underrated as a candidate. We’re talking about how strong Hillary is in debates: well, that was one of Kerry’s notable strengths, eviscerating Dubya that year. But back to the topic of Hillary. Her campaign has released a very strong new ad. This made me cry, both as a father of daughters and as a Democrat who loves a strong ad for my team: [“Daughters”](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHGPbl-werw) [This NYT article](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/us/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-debate.html?_r=0) is yet more catnip, although I can imagine how it might look a little biased to some Republicans, given that it’s in the straight news section rather than op-ed: > [@](#): > > Donald J. Trump lashed out wildly on Tuesday in the aftermath of a disappointing first debate with Hillary Clinton, scolding the moderator, criticizing a beauty pageant winner for her physique and raising the prospect of an all-out attack on Bill Clinton’s marital infidelities in the final stretch of the campaign. > > Having worked assiduously in recent weeks to cultivate a more disciplined demeanor on the campaign trail, Mr. Trump decisively cast aside that approach on Tuesday morning. As Mrs. Clinton embarked on an ebullient campaign swing through North Carolina, aiming to press her newfound advantage, Mr. Trump vented his grievances in full public view. > > Sounding weary and impatient as he called into a Fox News program, Mr. Trump criticized Lester Holt, the NBC News anchor, for asking “unfair questions” during the debate Monday evening, and speculated that someone might have tampered with his microphone. Mr. Trump repeated his charge that Mrs. Clinton lacked the “stamina” to be president, a claim critics have described as sexist, and suggested that in the future he might raise Mr. Clinton’s past indiscretions. > > And defying conventions of civility and political common sense, Mr. Trump leveled cutting personal criticism at a beauty pageant winner, Alicia Machado, whom Mrs. Clinton held up in Monday night’s debate as an example of Mr. Trump’s disrespect for women. > […] > Mr. Trump’s setback in the debate represents a critical test in the final six weeks of the presidential race. Having drawn closer to Mrs. Clinton in the polls, Mr. Trump now faces an intensified clash over his personal temperament and his attitudes toward women and minorities — areas of grave concern for many voters that were at the center of the candidates’ confrontation on Monday. > […] > Mr. Trump’s comportment on Tuesday threatened to forfeit his gains of the past month, and recalled his practice during the Republican primaries and much of the general election, of belittling political bystanders in language that alienated voters, like attacking the Muslim parents of an Army captain killed in Iraq and a Hispanic federal judge. > > It remains to be seen if Mr. Trump will approach the remainder of the race with the unfiltered abandon of his comments Tuesday morning. The fear among Republicans is that Mr. Trump will confront adversity by continuing to swing impulsively at politically inopportune targets, dragging the party again into needless and damaging feuds, as he did for most of the summer. > […] > For the moment, Mrs. Clinton answered Mr. Trump’s scattershot attacks with a dismissive shrug, telling reporters that Mr. Trump was free to run whatever kind of campaign he preferred. On board her campaign plane, she plainly relished her moment of apparent triumph, and poked fun at Mr. Trump’s morning lamentations. > > “Anybody who complains about the microphone,” she said, “is not having a good night.” ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1512 "2016-09-27T22:54:47Z")
For a hardened political junky who didn’t even support this candidate 8 years ago, you sure cry a lot over her campaign messaging. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1513 "2016-09-27T23:09:34Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > For a hardened political junky who didn’t even support this candidate 8 years ago, you sure cry a lot over her campaign messaging. Did you watch the “Daughters” commercial link he posted? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1514 "2016-09-27T23:15:02Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Did you watch the “Daughters” commercial link he posted? No. Does one of the daughters die of some women’s disease? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1515 "2016-09-27T23:16:22Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > No. Does one of the daughters die of some women’s disease? Watch it. Then get snarky. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1516 "2016-09-27T23:21:28Z")
Absent some articulated reason to watch it, no thanks. Otherwise I assume it says electing Hillary is good for girls and leave it at that. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1517 "2016-09-27T23:30:39Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > For a hardened political junky who didn’t even support this candidate 8 years ago, you sure cry a lot over her campaign messaging. I am a political junkie, but I’m not necessarily hardened emotionally. I got very weepy over Obama in '08. Now it’s women’s turn, and that also makes me emotional. We live in amazing and inspiring times. Noted BTW that you’ll argue over the ad, but not spend thirty seconds watching it. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1518 "2016-09-27T23:31:29Z")
Ok, I quickly broke down and took a look. Seen it already. Another fine example of Clinton’s pre-fact checked negative ad campaign. I stand by my previous snarky comment. That commercial is only possible because we live in a time when someone making such shitty comments became a major party presidential candidate. I don’t find that inspiring. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1519 "2016-09-28T01:09:25Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > …\… > That commercial is only possible because we live in a time when someone making such shitty comments became a major party presidential candidate. I don’t find that inspiring. Well, yeah. What’s your point? It think the intent of the commercial is not to “inspire” but to reveal Trump’s shitty comments about women from his own lips as a deterrent to voting him into the Presidency. I mean, it’s not like someone accused him of saying this stuff-- it’s him saying it. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1520 "2016-09-28T01:23:57Z")
When it is November 7th and you see the screenshots and graphs of newspaper endorsements, it is going to be absolutely brutal. The Arizona Republic, a newspaper that has never endorsed a Democrat since its founding since 1890, [has endorsed Hillary Clinton.](http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/editorial/2016/09/27/hillary-clinton-endorsement/91198668/) ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1521 "2016-09-28T01:24:59Z")
The commercial is effective with females, especially in my house (sample size: 2). ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1522 "2016-09-28T03:05:04Z")
> **[Hillary Clinton laid a surprisingly intricate trap for Donald Trump, and he...](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/9/27/13079878/alicia-machado-trap)** > > The con man turns out to be a sucker. This Vox article argues that the clumsily added-on Machado remarks at the very end of the debate was timed specifically to send Trump off the deep end. Today, there happens to be no fewer than three feature pieces on the woman in two separate continents: the NYT, the Guardian, and Cosmopolitan… the last with the very same reporter that pissed off Ivanka two weeks ago. All the articles push Hillary’s message and he just walked into the trap. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873.md?page=75) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873.md?page=77)