# Hillary Clinton's Presidential Campaign Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 4, 2016, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873 "2016-05-04T11:09:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 77
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1523 "2016-09-28T03:21:56Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Well, yeah. What’s your point? > > It think the intent of the commercial is not to “inspire” but to reveal Trump’s shitty comments about women from his own lips as a deterrent to voting him into the Presidency. I mean, it’s not like someone accused him of saying this stuff-- it’s him saying it. Do you not see what I was clearly replying to? “We live in amazing and inspiring times.” Of course the commercial wasn’t inspiring. It’s a fucking attack ad. Did you not see the stuff you snipped out? “Him saying it” is exactly what I meant by “pre fact checked”. So if you didn’t get my point, I’m pretty sure it’s your problem. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1524 "2016-09-28T03:35:57Z")
The latest, greatest, [thing of the moment](https://twitter.com/esheikh_/status/780730220127068160). ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1525 "2016-09-28T03:36:44Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Do you not see what I was clearly replying to? “We live in amazing and inspiring times.” Of course the commercial wasn’t inspiring. It’s a fucking attack ad. Did you not see the stuff you snipped out? “Him saying it” is exactly what I meant by “pre fact checked”. So if you didn’t get my point, I’m pretty sure it’s your problem. Here we go again. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1526 "2016-09-28T03:45:13Z")
[Wired](https://www.wired.com/2016/09/millions-people-fact-checked-debate-clintons-website/?mbid=social_twitter) has an article about how Hillary used the debate to drive over 2 million people, 2.5% of the TV audience, to her website to fact-check Trump in real-time. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1527 "2016-09-28T04:07:46Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > …Her campaign has released a very strong new ad. This made me cry, both as a father of daughters and as a Democrat who loves a strong ad for my team: [“Daughters”](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHGPbl-werw)… I’m **Elendil’s Heir** , and I approve of that attack ad. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1528 "2016-09-28T04:19:30Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > When it is November 7th and you see the screenshots and graphs of newspaper endorsements, it is going to be absolutely brutal. > > The Arizona Republic, a newspaper that has never endorsed a Democrat since its founding since 1890, [has endorsed Hillary Clinton.](http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/editorial/2016/09/27/hillary-clinton-endorsement/91198668/) Wow. > [@](#): > > Since The Arizona Republic began publication in 1890, we have never endorsed a Democrat over a Republican for president. Never. This reflects a deep philosophical appreciation for conservative ideals and Republican principles. > > This year is different. > > The 2016 Republican candidate is not conservative and he is not qualified. > > That’s why, for the first time in our history, The Arizona Republic will support a Democrat for president. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1529 "2016-09-28T04:30:01Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > When it is November 7th and you see the screenshots and graphs of newspaper endorsements, it is going to be absolutely brutal. > > The Arizona Republic, a newspaper that has never endorsed a Democrat since its founding since 1890, [has endorsed Hillary Clinton.](http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/editorial/2016/09/27/hillary-clinton-endorsement/91198668/) > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Wow. Indeed. I’ve been using the word “unprecedented” a lot this election - anyone got any good synonyms? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1530 "2016-09-28T04:40:34Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > [Hillary Clinton laid a surprisingly intricate trap for Donald Trump, and he blundered into it | Vox](http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/9/27/13079878/alicia-machado-trap) > > This Vox article argues that the clumsily added-on Machado remarks at the very end of the debate was timed specifically to send Trump off the deep end. Today, there happens to be no fewer than three feature pieces on the woman in two separate continents: the NYT, the Guardian, and Cosmopolitan… the last with the very same reporter that pissed off Ivanka two weeks ago. > > All the articles push Hillary’s message and he just walked into the trap. There was also an interview with her on Spanish language television today. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1531 "2016-09-28T04:55:50Z")
A Facebook trending story on my wall said Michael Moore said that Trump “won” the debate. I didn’t want to click; anyone know WTF he’s talking about? ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1532 "2016-09-28T06:17:40Z")
Moore thinks Hillary was too classy and didn’t really go for the kill. He also thinks, and I quote, “Pro-Hillary gloaters doing end-zone dance again when still on 50-yd line. U MUST get it in your head TRUMP IS GONNA WIN and act accordingly!” I think he’s just trying to keep Democrats motivated. He’s worried that Trump’s fan club won’t care about his lousy performance and all around lousiness. But it’s on Moore’s Twitter so you can draw your on conclusions: [https://twitter.com/MMFlint](https://twitter.com/MMFlint) ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1533 "2016-09-28T07:35:00Z")
Moore is just a pessimist. He’s one of those guys who has always been in the camp of, “My party is too civilized and moderate, they should be more aggressive and more ideological!” that exists in both parties. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1534 "2016-09-28T11:05:51Z")
Except that one party’s such faction gave up and lost years ago. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1535 "2016-09-28T12:44:36Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Do you not see what I was clearly replying to? “We live in amazing and inspiring times.” Of course the commercial wasn’t inspiring. It’s a fucking attack ad. Did you not see the stuff you snipped out? “Him saying it” is exactly what I meant by “pre fact checked”. So if you didn’t get my point, I’m pretty sure it’s your problem. Simmer down… \ No need to attack me. And frankly, no, I didn’t see what you were \*clearly \*saying. To be clear you have to be…well, _clear_. If this was an attack ad, it was a case of the dog biting his own tail. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1536 "2016-09-28T14:42:35Z")
Place a nice but easily washable doily on the counter when you open your can of whoop-ass. And that’s a good thing! ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1537 "2016-09-28T14:49:56Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > If this was an attack ad, it was a case of the dog biting his own tail. There’s no doubt it’s an attack ad. Hillary’s campaign is hardly the first to feature attack ads using an opponent’s own words against them. This may be the first where the opponent provides so much ammo, all on tape, that they can make four or five different ones each with its own theme. ---
**Author:** ![Sputnikkk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Sputnikkk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sputnikkk)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1538 "2016-09-28T14:51:24Z")
I think the Hillary daughters ad deserves high praise. I don’t see how anyone who hears Trump saying those things would vote for him. He also hired Roger Ailes. He’s a sick monster and I can’t believe he is this close to the white house. This ad is also really effective, I hope it is running in Florida. [http://www.adweek.com/news/advertising-branding/hillary-clinton-releases-powerful-new-ad-former-miss-universe-alicia-machado-173736](http://www.adweek.com/news/advertising-branding/hillary-clinton-releases-powerful-new-ad-former-miss-universe-alicia-machado-173736) ---
**Author:** ![DrumBum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e79b87/32.png) [@DrumBum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrumBum)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1539 "2016-09-28T16:07:44Z")
The [Arizona Republic newspaper](https://www.yahoo.com/news/arizona-republic-endorses-hillary-clinton-130844433.html) has endorsed Sec. Clinton. I wonder if Sheriff Joe will cancel his subscription.😃 ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1540 "2016-09-28T17:04:23Z")
I don’t know how much weight newspaper endorsements carry, but that Arizona Republic editorial is _scathing_. Damn. Among the long list of Trump’s flaws and sins, the one that stuck out to me was, “stunning lack of human decency”. It’s true, of course. I just continue to be flabbergasted that we’re having an election where major newspapers criticize on candidate not so much for his policies – 'cuz he barely has any – but for being a terrible, terrible human being. And I continue to be flabbergasted, frightened, and depressed that he has a pretty good shot at winning. I’ve been too upset to follow the election the past few weeks. Every time I see a headline about Trump gaining ground on Clinton, I just think, what kind of country is this? The debate cheered me a little. It sounds like the media narrative is pretty much that Trump imploded after a decent start. Hopefully his numbers will tank now. But who the hell knows? I don’t understand politics anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1541 "2016-09-28T17:12:51Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > There’s no doubt it’s an attack ad. Hillary’s campaign is hardly the first to feature attack ads using an opponent’s own words against them. This may be the first where the opponent provides so much ammo, all on tape, that they can make four or five different ones each with its own theme. So we can expect more “attack” ads? Works for me. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1542 "2016-09-28T17:24:08Z")
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