# Hillary Clinton's Presidential Campaign Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 4, 2016, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873 "2016-05-04T11:09:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 78
**Author:** ![JohnGalt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johngalt/32/184_2.png) [@JohnGalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnGalt)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1543 "2016-09-28T17:26:45Z")
The Arizona Republic endorsement is a great read. Obviously they put a lot of effort to support their conclusion. I wonder how quickly their editorial board reached their endorsement, if they had anyone debating on Trump’s behalf. Their write-up suggests no. At the end I felt my eyes tearing up from their enthusiastic endorsement. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1544 "2016-09-28T17:34:09Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Oh, it “works” for “you” does it? That’s “nice”. Is this another one of those posts where your true meaning is supposed to be clear to us? Cuz the only thing I’m getting is that you’re kinda being a jerk to a number of posters in regard to this ad. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1545 "2016-09-28T17:37:11Z")
> [@JohnGalt](#): > > The Arizona Republic endorsement is a great read. Obviously they put a lot of effort to support their conclusion. I wonder how quickly their editorial board reached their endorsement, if they had anyone debating on Trump’s behalf. Their write-up suggests no. At the end I felt my eyes tearing up from their enthusiastic endorsement. It was, I believe, their first endorsement of a Democrat for president since 1890. 1890! ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1546 "2016-09-28T17:50:19Z")
> [@Sputnikkk](#): > > I think the Hillary daughters ad deserves high praise. I don’t see how anyone who hears Trump saying those things would vote for him. He also hired Roger Ailes. He’s a sick monster and I can’t believe he is this close to the white house. > > This ad is also really effective, I hope it is running in Florida. [http://www.adweek.com/news/advertising-branding/hillary-clinton-releases-powerful-new-ad-former-miss-universe-alicia-machado-173736](http://www.adweek.com/news/advertising-branding/hillary-clinton-releases-powerful-new-ad-former-miss-universe-alicia-machado-173736) I haven’t seen it, and to be honest an ad entirely in spanish is going to do more to hurt her than anything else. Unless they only plan on running it in hispanic markets. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1547 "2016-09-28T18:01:02Z")
So long as its only asking where the train station is, and I don’t have to understand the answer, I’m bi-lingual. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1548 "2016-09-28T18:05:44Z")
Uh, if you haven’t seen it how did you know it was entirely in Spanish? It does have large English subtitles. If they run it in the right markets I don’t see how it would hurt them. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1549 "2016-09-28T18:08:12Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Uh, if you haven’t seen it how did you know it was entirely in Spanish? It does have large English subtitles. > > If they run it in the right markets I don’t see how it would hurt them. I saw it in the link. I meant to say “i live in florida and i haven’t seen it”. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1550 "2016-09-28T18:11:58Z")
Wondering if the ad is in differently accented Spanish depending on location. Is there a Spanish version of the “Man From Everywhere, and Nowhere in Particular” English accent? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1551 "2016-09-28T18:15:46Z")
I doubt they would dub over her actual voice with different accented spanish. Her accent is recognizably Venezuelan, but not very pronounced. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1552 "2016-09-28T18:18:50Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Is this another one of those posts where your true meaning is supposed to be clear to us? Cuz the only thing I’m getting is that you’re kinda being a jerk to a number of posters in regard to this ad. He’s trying to be clever about my use of quotation marks: “attack” ad. How unfair. Actually using Trump’s own words against him. Sad. (If I was a Trump fan, I’d be pretty grumpy right now, too.) ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1553 "2016-09-28T18:21:49Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I haven’t seen it, and to be honest an ad entirely in spanish is going to do more to hurt her than anything else. Unless they only plan on running it in hispanic markets. People in Hispanic markets _and beyond_ are used to hearing commercials in Spanish, thank you very much. 😉 [Hispanic markets](http://www.stationindex.com/tv/hispanic-tv-markets). I see a lot of TX, FL, and AZ in the top 20. ([Primary cite](http://www.nab.org/mpres/BroadcastTVandRadio-HispanicCommunities_NAB.pdf) for above. PDF. The chart on page 6 is kind of eye-opening.) ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1554 "2016-09-28T18:28:31Z")
Wrong link, sorry. Here is the correct primary cite for [Hispanic markets](https://www.tvb.org/Portals/0/media/file/DMA/2015-2016-dma-ranks-hispanic.pdf), straight from Nielsen. (Another PDF). ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1555 "2016-09-28T20:52:43Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > …[Hillary’s] problem is lack of a unifying message other than “it’s my time”. Trump does have a message, a very clear one. This might be the first time that a candidate with a muddled message beats one with a clear message. Have you not seen “Stronger Together” banners and signs at every one of her rallies since Philadelphia? A recurring theme in her speeches, too. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1556 "2016-09-28T21:34:52Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > It was, I believe, their first endorsement of a Democrat for president since 1890. 1890! Ever, actually. 1890 is actually the year the paper went into existence. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1557 "2016-09-29T00:40:43Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Ever, actually. 1890 is actually the year the paper went into existence. And it’s rather unlikely they endorsed a Presidential candidate in 1890. You have to think in a close election - and Arizona could be close - this sort of thing could matter. Normally newspaper endorsements don’t matter simply because 1. Most newspapers are preaching to the converted, so their endorsement is read by those who already agree, 2. Most newspapers are published in states where the small effect they could have will not change the result, and 3. People generally don’t notice them anyway. But the Arizona Republic endorsement fails to qualify any of these conditions; it is a conservative newspaper, in a close state, and the unusual nature of the endorsement has made it a news story people have noticed. And it is a rather uncompromising endorsement indeed. No “well, she’s the best of two bad choices.” It’s very stark: “Clinton can do this job, and Trump cannot.” ---
**Author:** ![Personal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Personal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Personal)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1558 "2016-09-29T01:24:34Z")
Just a nit: I think 1892 would have been the first presidential election endorsement opportunity. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1559 "2016-09-29T01:53:38Z")
It would have been irrelevant until 1912. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1560 "2016-09-29T02:17:44Z")
Is there some reason a mere _territorial_ newspaper cannot have a valid opinion upon Presidential politics, Mr Pedantic Snooty-pants. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1561 "2016-09-29T03:24:11Z")
If the place where they publish don’t get a star on Old Glory, dadgummit, I don’t care what the hell they say! ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873/1562 "2016-09-29T03:30:39Z")
I’m pretty sure RickJay said this endorsement could actually matter not that it was meaningless. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873.md?page=77) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign-discussion/753873.md?page=79)