# Hillary Collusion with the Russians **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 18, 2017, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-collusion-with-the-russians/799227 "2017-10-18T13:58:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![smsaks2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@smsaks2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smsaks2000)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-collusion-with-the-russians/799227/1 "2017-10-18T13:58:56Z")
After months of talk and investigation, nothing has been found to proves Trump colluded with the Russians. But, now we have information about Hillary Clinton colluding and receiving millions from the Russians while giving them 20% of America’s Uranium. “In 2010, the Obama administration approved a controversial deal giving Russian company Rosatom partial control of Canadian mining company Uranium One (and with it 20 percent of U.S. uranium), just as Russians paid former president Bill Clinton for speeches and Hillary Clinton was secretary of State. To make matters worse, the FBI had already gathered evidence of Russian corruption in the U.S. but kept it secret just when it would have mattered most, The Hill reported Tuesday.” > **[What Did Mueller Know? New Documents Show Clinton-Russia Scandal Dwarfs...](https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2017/10/17/mueller-know-new-documents-show-clinton-russia-scandal-dwarfs-anything-trumps-side-n54112)** > > Is Trump-Russia just an elaborate attempt to cover up Clinton-Russia? Just curious to see what our friends on the Left have to say about this. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-collusion-with-the-russians/799227/2 "2017-10-18T14:05:40Z")
> [@smsaks2000](#): > > After months of talk and investigation, nothing has been found to proves Trump colluded with the Russians. That’s for Mr. Mueller to say, not Fox or this “pjmedia” thing. We do understand the need for remaining Trump supporters to believe in “_You’re_ a puppet”, of course. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-collusion-with-the-russians/799227/3 "2017-10-18T14:05:59Z")
[Snopes](http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/) > [@](#): > > \*\*The Uranium One deal was not Clinton’s to veto or approve > \*\* > Among the ways these accusations stray from the facts is in attributing a power of veto or approval to Secretary Clinton that she simply did not have. Clinton was one of nine cabinet members and department heads that sit on the CFIUS, and the secretary of the treasury is its chairperson. CFIUS members are collectively charged with evaluating the transaction for potential national security issues, then turning their findings over to the president. By law, the committee can’t veto a transaction; only the president can. > > **Despite transfer of ownership, the uranium remained in the U.S.** > > A key fact ignored in criticisms of Clinton’s supposed involvement in the deal is that the uranium was not — nor could it be — exported, and remained under the control of U.S.-based subsidiaries of Uranium One, according to a statement by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission: > > **The timing of most of the donations does not match** > > Of the $145 million allegedly contributed to the Clinton Foundation by Uranium One investors, the lion’s share — $131.3 million — came from a single donor, Frank Giustra, the company’s founder. But Giustra sold off his entire stake in the company in 2007, three years before the Russia deal and at least 18 months before Clinton became secretary of state. > > Of the remaining individuals connected with Uranium One who donated to the Clinton Foundation, only one was found to have contributed during the same time frame that the deal was taking place, according to The New York Times — Ian Telfer, the company’s chairman: The investigation hasn’t finished yet. It’s only been 4 months. Did you really think it wouldn’t take time? ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-collusion-with-the-russians/799227/4 "2017-10-18T14:10:03Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > That’s for Mr. Mueller to say, not Fox or this “pjmedia” thing. > > We do understand the need for remaining Trump supporters to believe in “_You’re_ a puppet”, of course. +1 ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-collusion-with-the-russians/799227/5 "2017-10-18T14:17:13Z")
This sounds like another attempt at an earlier bullshit accusation: > **[Did Hillary Clinton Tell FBI's Mueller to Deliver Uranium to Russians in 2009...](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hillary-clinton-robert-mueller-uranium/)** > > Hyperpartisan web sites mischaracterized a State Department cable alerting the U.S. Embassy in Russia to a transfer of evidence obtained in a sting operation. > **[Did Hillary Clinton Give 20% of United States' Uranium to Russia in Exchange...](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/)** > > Allegations of a deal giving Russia ownership of 20% of U.S. uranium deposits in exchange for donations to the Clinton Foundation are unsubstantiated. As far as I can tell, nothing new is presented, and there’s no evidence of anything nefarious. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-collusion-with-the-russians/799227/6 "2017-10-18T14:17:33Z")
It’s amazing all the powers that right wingers think Hillary had. The military didn’t get to Benghazi in time because of Hillary’s orders to stand down. Yep, the military takes orders from the Secretary of State. And this deal to give away uranium- which by the way never left the country. The almighty Hillary found a way to work around the lack of an export license to send our uranium to Russia. Just amazing the power that Hillary had. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-collusion-with-the-russians/799227/7 "2017-10-18T14:21:14Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > It’s amazing all the powers that right wingers think Hillary had. The military didn’t get to Benghazi in time because of Hillary’s orders to stand down. Yep, the military takes orders from the Secretary of State. And this deal to give away uranium- which by the way never left the country. The almighty Hillary found a way to work around the lack of an export license to send our uranium to Russia. Just amazing the power that Hillary had. She smuggled it in her pantsuits. ---
**Author:** ![somepumpkin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7feea3/32.png) [@somepumpkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/somepumpkin)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-collusion-with-the-russians/799227/8 "2017-10-18T14:32:32Z")
2010 ? Yyaaaaaaaaaawn. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-collusion-with-the-russians/799227/9 "2017-10-18T14:35:00Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > The military didn’t get to Benghazi in time because of Hillary’s orders to stand down. How many investigations of the four dead servicemen in Niger are there going to be, btw? Yes, we all know. ---
**Author:** ![TimeWinder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@TimeWinder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TimeWinder)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-collusion-with-the-russians/799227/10 "2017-10-18T14:37:02Z")
> [@smsaks2000](#): > > Just curious to see what our friends on the Left have to say about this. That it’s an excellent example of what the “fake news” you’re always going on about actually looks like in practice. Nearly every statement in that article is either false or deliberately misleading (as was your statement implying that the investigations have come up empty and there’s no evidence), and even a casual fact-checking would show this. But it was published anyway, and you linked it here, anyway. And this is why we can’t have an informed electorate or functioning government. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-collusion-with-the-russians/799227/11 "2017-10-18T14:41:42Z")
It’s just more evidence that Putin’s campaign to lower Americans’ confidence in their government and in democracy itself is working. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-collusion-with-the-russians/799227/12 "2017-10-18T14:41:49Z")
> [@TimeWinder](#): > > That it’s an excellent example of what the “fake news” you’re always going on about actually looks like in practice. Nearly every statement in that article is either false or deliberately misleading (as was your statement implying that the investigations have come up empty and there’s no evidence), and even a casual fact-checking would show this. But it was published anyway, and you linked it here, anyway. > > And this is why we can’t have an informed electorate or functioning government. And you know he will not come back here to either rebut or acknowledge error. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-collusion-with-the-russians/799227/13 "2017-10-18T14:46:44Z")
So, right wingers, which talking point are you on today? 1. Wouldn’t it be great if we could get along with the Russians? or 2. Evil Hillary conspired with evil Russians to do evil. You sort of have to choose one or the other… and then get your facts in order. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-collusion-with-the-russians/799227/14 "2017-10-18T14:49:15Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > And you know he will not come back here to either rebut or acknowledge error. He’s, “just curious about what his friends on the left have to say.” I see no reason to think he won’t read the provided links and evaluate the evidence in a fair & balanced manner. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-collusion-with-the-russians/799227/15 "2017-10-18T14:53:49Z")
Oh, this is a new orchestrated effort by Republicans to muddy the waters of the Russia investigation into TrumpCo. Chuck Grassley, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, is now moving these lies right along in the Jeff Sessions hearing going on right now, and he’s thrown aborted fetal tissue into the mix just in case the Hillary allegations weren’t enough meat for Teh Base™. So to speak. It horrifies me that these ignorant jerks are actually in charge of running things. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-collusion-with-the-russians/799227/16 "2017-10-18T14:57:21Z")
Our friend **Okrahoma** also started [the exact same thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=839202). With exactly the same fundamental flaws in the “argument” presented. What a coinkidink. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-collusion-with-the-russians/799227/17 "2017-10-18T14:58:25Z")
What’s bothersome is this is the kind of gibberish you see on Facebook posts from your right wing friends. But if you refute the post, the damn original post shows up on your timeline and you look like an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-collusion-with-the-russians/799227/18 "2017-10-18T15:12:15Z")
Facebook is nobody’s friend. ---
**Author:** ![steatopygia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steatopygia/32/3132_2.png) [@steatopygia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steatopygia)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-collusion-with-the-russians/799227/19 "2017-10-18T15:28:10Z")
Facebook is certainly Putin’s friend ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-collusion-with-the-russians/799227/20 "2017-10-18T15:57:12Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Our friend **Okrahoma** also started [the exact same thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=839202). With exactly the same fundamental flaws in the “argument” presented. > > What a coinkidink. It’s almost as though they swig their effluvium from the same trough. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-collusion-with-the-russians/799227.md?page=2)