# Hillary email redux, will it have any effect? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 11, 2016, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472 "2016-08-11T19:11:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/1 "2016-08-11T19:11:13Z")
Was watching [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d99E4R4GS9Q) video by the Young Turks about recent Hillary email releases. If you aren’t familiar with the channel or with the guy speaking, [Cenk Uygur](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cenk_Uygur), he’s no big fan of Trump and generally is a big supporter of the Democratic party. Full disclosure, he (IMHO) was a big Bernie supporter and I think is less than thrilled with Hillary. However, as he says, he’s just reporting the news and certainly doesn’t want to see Trump win. Here is the description from the YouTube page if it’s too long to watch: > [@](#): > > Published on Aug 9, 2016 > > New emails sent by Hillary Clinton’s staff during her time in the State Department have recently been released. It doesn’t look great for the Clinton campaign. Cenk Uygur, host of The Young Turks, breaks it down. Tell us what you think in the comment section below. > > [http://tytnetwork.com/join](http://tytnetwork.com/join) > > "Newly released State Department records, including previously unreleased emails fromHuma Abedin, appear to show Clinton Foundation donors calling in favors from then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. > > The new documents released on Tuesday were obtained by the legal watchdog group Judicial Watch as part of their Freedom of Information Act lawsuit that seeks information about Abedin’s unique employment arrangement with the State Department. Judicial Watch claims some the documents paint a troubling portrait of then-Secretary of State Clinton possibly giving preferential treatment to top campaign bundlers and Clinton Foundation donors. > > For example, an April 2009 email exchange with the subject line “[a] favor…” appears to showlongtime Clinton associate Doug Band reaching out to Abedin and Cheryl Mills, writing, “Important to take care of [name redacted].” > > Abedin responds almost immediately, writing, “We have all had him on our radar. Personnel has been sending him options.””\* > > Read more here: [Report: New E-Mail Totally Contradicts Clinton’s Claims About Private Server | Law & Crime](http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/new-e)… > > Hosts: Cenk Uygur > Cast: Cenk Uygur There are also links in there to the articles and email in question. My question is, will this have any sort of impact on Clinton? The more I see about this email thing the more I get nervous…it seems to me to be a ticking time bomb, or at least has the potential to be. The only saving grace is Trump is such an ass that he’s sinking his own run…down 10 points nationally from what I saw recently, and down locally in most of the key states, and even some red states. But this Clinton thing just won’t die and, the more that’s revealed the worse it looks. Thoughts? (My apologies if this has already been done in another thread…I know there is a Clinton email thread but it seems to have fallen off the page and I didn’t see anything about this latest thing. If it’s been covered or is being covered, Mods, feel free to close this) ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/2 "2016-08-11T19:57:59Z")
This isn’t an “email” issue. If borne out, the question is whether allegations of possible conflict of interest or even corruption will coalesce to the point that they affect her campaign. Email is just the medium. ---
**Author:** ![DonLogan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@DonLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DonLogan)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/3 "2016-08-11T20:00:47Z")
The next step down the scandal ladder from finding someone a patronage job is, I dunno, maybe using expired coupons at Wendy’s. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/4 "2016-08-11T20:17:24Z")
I’d love for Clinton to sit down with the press and get this thing behind her. Remember in 2008 when questions circled about Obama’s land deal with Tony Rezko? (Anyone? Just me?) Obama sat down with reporters from the Chicago Tribune and Chicago Sun Times and just stayed at the table as long as it took before everything was cleared. I’d love to see Clinton do something like that. I’d love to feel like this is done and some dark thing isn’t going to drop and people can get on with the business of winning in November. And I include “email” here because these were retrieved deleted emails gained by the FBI which ties it into the greater issue. However, the stuff in the recently released emails is nothing. You have to pretty much preface it by saying “This emails shows corruption and buying power!” because if you led off with “Hey, a Nigerian billionaire maybe got to talk to the ambassador to Nigeria” no one would care. If you just had “someone was sniffing around about a job”, no one would care. That’s not stuff that I see moving the needle. So, yes, I’d love to see the whole thing addressed but no I don’t think that these specific emails are very meaningful. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/5 "2016-08-11T20:19:07Z")
If this gets much media coverage at all, The Donald will become incensed, and will do whatever it takes to grab the spotlight back. Maybe find a major Christian evangelical leader to insult or something. He needs to ramp it up a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/6 "2016-08-11T23:17:02Z")
No, it won’t, nor should it. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/7 "2016-08-11T23:22:14Z")
I bet she already has a pardon for herself written up so when she’s arrested after she is president she’ll just have Huma do the proper filing to pardon her. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/8 "2016-08-11T23:41:57Z")
Judicial watch is a “legal watchdog group”…LOL! Okay. And the NRA and Family Research Council are civil rights watchdog groups. Meh, it might have some effect for a few days, but people already assume that this is what the Clintons do. We’re not breaking ground here. ---
**Author:** ![john\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@john\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/john_L)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/9 "2016-08-11T23:56:13Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > I’d love for Clinton to sit down with the press and get this thing behind her. Remember in 2008 when questions circled about Obama’s land deal with Tony Rezko? (Anyone? Just me?) Obama sat down with reporters from the Chicago Tribune and Chicago Sun Times and just stayed at the table as long as it took before everything was cleared. I’d love to see Clinton do something like that. I’d love to feel like this is done and some dark thing isn’t going to drop and people can get on with the business of winning in November. And I include “email” here because these were retrieved deleted emails gained by the FBI which ties it into the greater issue. > > However, the stuff in the recently released emails is nothing. You have to pretty much preface it by saying “This emails shows corruption and buying power!” because if you led off with “Hey, a **Nigerian billionaire** maybe got to talk to the ambassador to Nigeria” no one would care. If you just had “someone was sniffing around about a job”, no one would care. That’s not stuff that I see moving the needle. > > So, yes, I’d love to see the whole thing addressed but no I don’t think that these specific emails are very meaningful. when billionare is Gilbert Chagoury it matters. he was Marc Rich partner…a big $$ crook Slick Willie pardoned on last day as potus. Chagoury and Clinton Foundation are linked since then. Clinton Cash goes into all that . movie was on free site a while back . ?? we’ll see if smoking gun surfaces w/ future emails / etc. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/10 "2016-08-12T02:04:32Z")
I haven’t seen the movie of “Clinton Cash” (there’s also a graphic novel, for your viewing pleasure,) but the book was so full of errors that the publisher, Harper Collins made the author put out a revised Kindle version. [http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/clinton-cash-publisher-corrects-7-or-8-inaccurate-passages-117946](http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/clinton-cash-publisher-corrects-7-or-8-inaccurate-passages-117946) For example: > [@Annie Karni](#): > > Among them, Schweizer says in the original version of the book that TD Bank, a major shareholder in the Keystone XL pipeline, paid Bill Clinton for speeches and then said it would “begin selling its $1.6 billion worth of shares in the massive but potentially still-born [sic] Keystone XL crude pipeline project” after Hillary Clinton left office. But as his source on the sale of TD Bank’s shares, Schweizer used a press release that was revealed to be fake in 2013. > > That passage has been removed from the most recent Kindle version of the book. > > Schweizer also appears to have edited a passage in which he claims Bill Clinton was paid $200,000 per speech by Irish billionaire Denis O’Brien for three speaking engagements he delivered in Ireland. The implication was that, while Hillary Clinton’s State Department was giving O’Brien’s company taxpayer money through the Haiti Mobile Money Initiative, “O’Brien was in turn making money for the Clintons.” > > But Clinton was not paid personally for those speeches, according to his spokesman. And the Clinton Foundation was paid for just one of the three speeches. The new version deletes any mention that Clinton was paid for those speeches, and edited a claim that Clinton received $225,000 for a speech in Jamaica sponsored in part by O’Brien’s company Digicel. Another edit appears to have been made on the timing of a speech Clinton gave in Jamaica, which was also paid for by O’Brien. Harper Collins says that it’s not unusual for books to be revised and updated but Amazon characterized the revisions as “significant” when it told customers that the Kindle version is being updated. And of course, the faulty original print version is still circulating. At the very least, it seems clear that the book’s research was rush in order to get it on the shelves before the election. ---
**Author:** ![john\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@john\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/john_L)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/11 "2016-08-12T02:35:28Z")
yeah… movie might be too much for the average Clinton fan. until new emails surface anyway . ?? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/12 "2016-08-12T02:47:11Z")
To say nothing of the fact that Clinton Cash’s author, Peter Schweizer, has a long history of making [evidence-free and discredited claims about the Clintons and other Democrats](http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/04/20/clinton-cash-author-peter-schweizers-long-histo/203209). ---
**Author:** ![john\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@john\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/john_L)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/13 "2016-08-12T03:00:11Z")
credibility and truth… from David Brock & Media Matters ? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/14 "2016-08-12T03:02:15Z")
> [@john\_L](#): > > credibility and truth… from David Brock & Media Matters ? :eek: The article cites its sources fully. Which of them do you specifically take issue with? ---
**Author:** ![john\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@john\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/john_L)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/15 "2016-08-12T03:04:24Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > The article cites its sources fully. > > Which of them do you specifically take issue with? none. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/16 "2016-08-12T03:08:22Z")
> [@john\_L](#): > > yeah… movie might be too much for the average Clinton fan. > > until new emails surface anyway . ?? It’s got nothing to do with the format. I cited evidence that the book, _Clinton Cash_, has numerous factual errors, necessitating urgent changes in the electronic edition. The claims by the author are unreliable. Speaking of which - this whole thread is based on assertions by Judicial Watch, which has been filing lawsuits about the Clintons for twenty some years now. Other hard hitting investigations on the Judicial Watch site include: - The Obama IRS Scandal - The Benghazi Coverup (get your free report!) and my favorite: - District of Corruption: _The new Judicial Watch blockbuster feature documentary, District of Corruption, directed by Stephen K. Bannon, lays bare the lawless and unconstitutional Obama administration and makes the case for more openness, integrity, and honesty in government and leads the way for changing the climate of corruption that has gripped Washington, D.C. for far too long._ I can’t think of any reason to trust their interptertation of this latest email “scandal”. ---
**Author:** ![john\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@john\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/john_L)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/17 "2016-08-12T03:16:08Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > It’s got nothing to do with the format. I cited evidence that the book, _Clinton Cash_, has numerous factual errors, necessitating urgent changes in the electronic edition. The claims by the author are unreliable. > Speaking of which - this whole thread is based on assertions by Judicial Watch, which has been filing lawsuits about the Clintons for twenty some years now. Other hard hitting investigations on the Judicial Watch site include: > > - The Obama IRS Scandal > > - The Benghazi Coverup (get your free report!) > > and my favorite: > > - District of Corruption: _The new Judicial Watch blockbuster feature documentary, District of Corruption, directed by Stephen K. Bannon, lays bare the lawless and unconstitutional Obama administration and makes the case for more openness, integrity, and honesty in government and leads the way for changing the climate of corruption that has gripped Washington, D.C. for far too long._ > I can’t think of any reason to trust their \*\*interptertation \*\*of this latest email “scandal”. movie is prolly not for you i guess. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/18 "2016-08-12T03:28:51Z")
> [@DonLogan](#): > > The next step down the scandal ladder from finding someone a patronage job is, I dunno, maybe using expired coupons at Wendy’s. > [@Jophiel](#): > > However, the stuff in the recently released emails is nothing. You have to pretty much preface it by saying “This emails shows corruption and buying power!” because if you led off with “Hey, a Nigerian billionaire maybe got to talk to the ambassador to Nigeria” no one would care. If you just had “someone was sniffing around about a job”, no one would care. That’s not stuff that I see moving the needle. Presumably what would make it interesting is if Clinton was paid to do these things (and whether a donation to the foundation counts as such). Bob McDonnell was indicted over a quid pro quo from a donor, after all ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/46a35a/32.png) [@Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_T-Bonham.net)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/19 "2016-08-12T03:31:35Z")
**Hillary email redux, will it have any effect?** No. (Other than to give the ‘news’ media something to blather about for a day or two.) But the people who support Hillary have long ago decided that this email ‘scandal’ is a meaningless attack, and will just ignore it. And the people who get all excited & upset about this are those who already support Trump, and would never have voted for Hillary anyway. So it won’t change any votes. _No effect._ ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/20 "2016-08-12T03:32:50Z")
> [@DonLogan](#): > > The next step down the scandal ladder from finding someone a patronage job is, I dunno, maybe using expired coupons at Wendy’s. As they say, the real outrage is what’s legal. At least the Democrats have made it clear they no longer seek to change Washington. They’ve even abandoned the rhetoric. The Democratic Party is now fully invested in the business as usual culture of Washington. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472.md?page=2)