# Hillary email redux, will it have any effect? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 11, 2016, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472 "2016-08-11T19:11:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![dreamregent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/6f9a4e/32.png) [@dreamregent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dreamregent)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/21 "2016-08-12T03:33:20Z")
Somebody wake me when anything of consequence is actually found in this email. I mean, I want to see Clinton’s hands elbow-deep in the cookie jar and stuffing the petty cash in her bank account. Short of that, I don’t believe she’s doing anything that doesn’t happen on Capitol Hill on a regular basis. It’s like what was pointed out in Comey’s 5-hour grilling before Congress to explain why he chose not to prosecute: a minority member of that committee revealed its own members routinely handle classified material and none other than the committee’s own Republican chairman uses a personal email address to conduct business, according to his business card (an allegation that he did not dispute, as far as I heard). But, because it’s Hillary Clinton, she’s going to be nailed to the cross for what it seems the hypocrites on the committee do on an apparent regular basis. Good lord, now they’re taking issue with Cheryl Mills doing uncompensated charity work on her own dime. From the details I’ve seen so far, there is no fundamental difference between what Cheryl Mills did and volunteering in a soup kitchen to serve meals to the homeless over the weekend, except that she volunteered a rare skill set to a charity Clinton is involved with. What if the Clinton foundation really did own a soup kitchen and Cheryl Mills went to volunteer over the weekend? I’m 100% certain we’d be hearing people bitch about that too. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/22 "2016-08-12T03:36:21Z")
So we’re not concerned unless something actually illegal has occurred. I hope we stick to that standard when it comes to Republicans. Nothing illegal= nothing to see here. BTW, I wonder how many posters see no issues in Clinton’s behavior but had a problem with John McCain’s behavior in the Keating 5 scandal. I guess McCain’s sin was admitting poor judgment, whereas Clinton apologizes for nothing. Reminds me of someone else running for President actually. ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/23 "2016-08-12T03:43:09Z")
Are you _concerned_, **adaher**? Well, we’ll give that all due weight and consideration. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/24 "2016-08-12T03:44:06Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > So we’re not concerned unless something actually illegal has occurred. I hope we stick to that standard when it comes to Republicans. Nothing illegal= nothing to see here. Like **dreamregent** said, wake me up then. Because what you are talking about can not avoid noticing how shrill, off base, not based in reality, waste of time/money and asinine several investigations have taken place coming from the Republican side. [And virtually all based on political goals.](http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/14/politics/hillary-clinton-benghazi-committee/) (If they do stumble into something illegal that was not the goal of the Republicans) Indeed, what you have is a false equivalence, there are indeed requests and hearings that go against the republicans, but as I commented, wake me up when they do reach the huuuge Republican levels of abuse. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/25 "2016-08-12T03:54:56Z")
I’ll take that as a “accusations against Republicans will be assumed to be true, against Democrats as false” answer. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/26 "2016-08-12T03:57:53Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > BTW, I wonder how many posters see no issues in Clinton’s behavior but had a problem with John McCain’s behavior in the Keating 5 scandal. I guess McCain’s sin was admitting poor judgment, whereas Clinton apologizes for nothing. Reminds me of someone else running for President actually. Why, thank you for pointing at something that makes Trump look even worse than what has been seen already. Clinton does apologize, unlike the Cheeto Jesus. [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/09/08/hillary-clinton-apologizes-for-e-mail-system-i-take-responsibility/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/09/08/hillary-clinton-apologizes-for-e-mail-system-i-take-responsibility/) > [@](#): > > Hillary Clinton apologizes for e-mail system: ‘I take responsibility’ > > - September 8, 2015 So there is that, and when will the liberal media demand Trump to dump racists like Joe Arpaio and other buddies he joined to the hip just as they hounded Obama about virtually unrelated people that had controversial ideas? Or is it that the so called liberal media has decided that doing that would be unfair? Of course that tells me that what is going on is what many did point about how harmful Trump is to American politics is becoming reality; very bad behaviors and ideas are being normalized. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/27 "2016-08-12T03:59:53Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I’ll take that as a “accusations against Republicans will be assumed to be true, against Democrats as false” answer. I linked to the evidence, and coming from the mouths of Republicans. And please stop carrying water for Trump. Even if indirectly. ---
**Author:** ![ganthet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de0a6/32.png) [@ganthet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ganthet)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/28 "2016-08-12T04:04:19Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > BTW, I wonder how many posters see no issues in Clinton’s behavior but had a problem with John McCain’s behavior in the Keating 5 scandal. I guess McCain’s sin was admitting poor judgment, whereas Clinton apologizes for nothing. McCain met with federal regulators and tried to influence them to help Keating, who had contributed to McCain’s re-election bid and provided several vacation trips for McCain’s family. McCain and Keating were somewhat friends before the incident, but there was no evidence of quid pro quo for either the vacations or meeting with federal regulators. The Senate Ethics Committee of the then-Democratically controlled Congress simply said that McCain had exercised “poor judgment” and left it at that, giving him no punishment and focusing most of their attention on four other Democratic congressmen who were more heavily involved. “Poor judgment” was not a quote from McCain himself, though he would admit that he should not have met with federal regulators on Keating’s behalf. Just before the story broke and before the Senate Ethics Committee report, McCain fielded questions from reporters, calling one of them a liar, asking them if they understood English and when they asked about his wife’s ties to Keating, responded, “It’s up to you to find that out, kids.” The ultimate conclusion for that incident seems to mirror FBI Director Comey’s assessment of Clinton’s private email server. If Hillary responded to the press about the email issue in that fashion, she would not be the Democratic nominee for much longer. If Trump responded to any press questions in that fashion, it would be another Thursday, with Reince Prebus and Paul Ryan reiterating their support of the Republican nominee while mildly wringing their hands about “tone.” What was that you were saying about a double standard? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/29 "2016-08-12T18:04:54Z")
> [@t-bonham@scc.net](#): > > **Hillary email redux, will it have any effect?** > No. (Other than to give the ‘news’ media something to blather about for a day or two.) > > But the people who support Hillary have long ago decided that this email ‘scandal’ is a meaningless attack, and will just ignore it. > And the people who get all excited & upset about this are those who already support Trump, and would never have voted for Hillary anyway. > > So it won’t change any votes. _No effect._ The guy who did the video linked in the OP is no Trump supporter. And a lot of Sanders supporters seem to think it’s a real issue. I think there are more groups than for Hillary or against her in this thing, and that this is not ‘a meaningless attack’…the email stuff was a major fuckup by Hillary et at and it’s going to continue to haunt her for her bad judgement on this. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2016, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/30 "2016-08-12T18:56:30Z")
> [@XT](#): > > The guy who did the video linked in the OP is no Trump supporter. And a lot of Sanders supporters seem to think it’s a real issue. I will say that my Facebook feed has a couple of humongous Sanders supporters on it (one, an old high-school friend, was one of those Sanders protesters who made it onto MSNBC during the convention; she was so proud, I cringed so much). These supporters are engaging in a LOT of concern-trolling about Clinton. It’s a sour-grapes face-saving thing, I think: “we TOLD you so, but did you LISTEN to us? NOOOOOOOO! Now look what you have for a candidate!” It’s not super-persuasive. ---
**Author:** ![sleestak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@sleestak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sleestak)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2016, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/31 "2016-08-17T20:17:02Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Why, thank you for pointing at something that makes Trump look even worse than what has been seen already. Clinton does apologize, unlike the Cheeto Jesus. > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/09/08/hillary-clinton-apologizes-for-e-mail-system-i-take-responsibility/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/09/08/hillary-clinton-apologizes-for-e-mail-system-i-take-responsibility/) > > So there is that, and when will the liberal media demand Trump to dump racists like Joe Arpaio and other buddies he joined to the hip just as they hounded Obama about virtually unrelated people that had controversial ideas? > > Or is it that the so called liberal media has decided that doing that would be unfair? Of course that tells me that what is going on is what many did point about how harmful Trump is to American politics is becoming reality; very bad behaviors and ideas are being normalized. If you pay any attention to this, you would have noted that Clinton ‘took responsibility’ for doing nothing wrong. At least according to Hillary. Some quotes: Sez Clinton: > [@](#): > > I did not email any classified material to anyone [Link](http://time.com/3739541/transcript-hillary-clinton-email-press-conference/). Sez the FBI: > [@](#): > > For example, seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. [Link](https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system). Sez Clinton: > [@](#): > > Well it was allowed, and the rules have been clarified since I left about the practice. Having said that, I have said many times that it was a mistake, and if I could go back I would do it differently. Link. Sez the State Department: > [@](#): > > Throughout Secretary Clinton’s tenure, the FAM stated that normal day-to-day operations should be conducted on an authorized AIS, yet OIG found no evidence that the Secretary requested or obtained guidance or approval to conduct official business via a personal email account on her private server. According to the current CIO [chief information officer] and Assistant Secretary for Diplomatic Security, Secretary Clinton had an obligation to discuss using her personal email account to conduct official business with their offices, who in turn would have attempted to provide her with approved and secured means that met her business needs. However, according to these officials, DS [Bureau of Diplomatic Security] and IRM [Bureau of Information Resource Management] did not — and would not — approve her exclusive reliance on a personal email account to conduct Department business, because of the restrictions in the FAM and the security risks in doing so. [Link](http://www.factcheck.org/2016/05/ig-report-on-clintons-emails/) In my world, not sure about yours, taking responsibility requires that one actually acknowledge that they in fact did something wrong. Clinton didn’t do that. She acknowledge it was a mistake, however, her subsequent statements clearly show she thinks it was a mistake because it threatened her political ambitions, not because it was a stupid and ‘[extremely careless](http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/05/politics/fbi-director-doesnt-recommend-charges-against-hillary-clinton/)’ thing to do. Even after the damning report from the FBI, Clinton continued to lie. For example, on July 31st, almost a month after the FBI completed the report, Clinton said: > [@](#): > > Director Comey said my answers were truthful, and what I’ve said is consistent with what I have told the American people, that there were decisions discussed and made to classify retroactively certain of the emails [Link](http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/aug/01/hillary-clinton/hillary-clintons-wrong-claim-fbi-director-comey-ca/). That is a straight up lie which shows, instead of actually taking responsibility, she is lying to evade responsibility. What Director Comey actually said was: > [@](#): > > From the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the State Department, \*\*110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification. \*\*Separate from those, about 2,000 additional e-mails were “up-classified” to make them Confidential; the information in those had not been classified at the time the e-mails were sent. [Link](https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system). Trump is an ass. Clinton is a liar. Neither of them is fit to be President. And you are defending a proven liar. However, cognitive dissonance is king when it comes to politics. ‘My side is better than yours!’, regardless of how corrupt the actors on both sides are, rules the day. Slee ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/32 "2016-08-19T07:56:53Z")
How many times can the words Hillary Clinton and email come up in the same sentence before people’s eyes start to glaze over? Are people hanging on to every new twist in this saga, waiting for that damning revelation to be brought forth? Or do they mostly not care at all? Would they hear those words again and assume it’s a different story or assume it’s more of the same? As regards the classified stuff, isn’t this the world in which the Snowden leaks happened? Who gives a shit about some (classified) Foggy Bottom gossip compared to that? Anything in there that would be any worse than the leak of State Department cables? See here: > **[Contents of the United States diplomatic cables leak](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contents_of_the_United_States_diplomatic_cables_leak)** > > This is a list of notable content from the United States diplomatic cables leak that reveals the United States' political opinion towards a variety of international affairs. Beginning on November 28, 2010, WikiLeaks had been publishing classified documents of detailed correspondence—diplomatic cables—between the United States Department of State and its diplomatic missions around the world. On 1 September 2011, it released all of the Cablegate documents in its possession without redaction. > The ... Hillary Clinton plus emails has been repeated to the point of meaninglessness. My own provincial government [triple deleted](http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/emails-relating-to-b-c-s-highway-of-tears-allegedly-deleted-1.3091592) emails about ongoing murders on a remote highway. The maximum fine for deleting this information was $5000 but the man who was caught covering up the government’s exposure on these ongoing murders was [only fined $2500](http://www.myprincegeorgenow.com/33301/man-fined-2500-connection-triple-delete-highway-tears-email-scandal/). And no one cares. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/33 "2016-08-19T11:39:19Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > How many times can the words Hillary Clinton and email come up in the same sentence before people’s eyes start to glaze over? We’re long past that point. There are no minds left to change, only to reinforce. > [@](#): > > Are people hanging on to every new twist in this saga, waiting for that damning revelation to be brought forth? The ones who just know The Truth, and only need some facts to emerge to prove it, yes. But you can’t reason people out of positions they didn’t reason themselves into. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/34 "2016-08-19T11:43:19Z")
The damning revelations already came. Not sure how much worse it can get than for Comey to said what he said about her. The only reason it doesn’t matter right now is Donald Trump. But it will affect her ability to govern, since not even Democrats really believe a word she ever says. Makes it hard to sell policies once elected. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/35 "2016-08-19T12:01:05Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The damning revelations already came. Not sure how much worse it can get than for Comey to said what he said about her. > > The only reason it doesn’t matter right now is Donald Trump. But it will affect her ability to govern, since not even Democrats really believe a word she ever says. Makes it hard to sell policies once elected. Once again I am in awe of your amazing superpower: reading the minds of Democrats. Tell me – what am I thinking right now? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/36 "2016-08-19T12:06:40Z")
I read polls. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/37 "2016-08-19T12:07:32Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I read polls. No, that’s not what I’m thinking right now… try again? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/38 "2016-08-19T12:11:08Z")
I’ve got a better idea. Tell me what she is going to do on TPP in her first year of office. She says she opposes it. Do you believe she will oppose it once in office? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/39 "2016-08-19T12:15:08Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I’ve got a better idea. Tell me what she is going to do on TPP in her first year of office. She says she opposes it. Do you believe she will oppose it once in office? In its current form, yes. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2016, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472/40 "2016-08-19T12:23:15Z")
Now I actually can read your mind.🙂 It’s not actually hard though, we all know how she will “evolve” on the issue. Vox already called her out on opposing a treaty that is not substantially different from the one she supported as Secretary of State. All it takes is a few cosmetic changes and she’ll say it’s good to go. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-email-redux-will-it-have-any-effect/762472.md?page=3)