# Hillary for president **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 29, 2003, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-president/198443 "2003-08-29T16:18:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-president/198443/1 "2003-08-29T16:18:44Z")
Just am reading a new book called Hillary’s Scheme. The author claims Hillary Clinton wnats to be President in 04 or 08. He mentions her being drafted. What is it and how can one do it if not officially in the race yet? And does she have a chance? What is good about her? What is bad? This should be a good debate. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-president/198443/2 "2003-08-29T16:22:36Z")
I don’t think HRC will run in '04 and risk being beaten by Bush. She’d prefer Bush to win so she can run in '08. ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-president/198443/3 "2003-08-29T16:33:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by vanilla \* > \*\*Just am reading a new book called Hillary’s Scheme. > The author claims Hillary Clinton wnats to be President in 04 or 08. > He mentions her being drafted. > What is it and how can one do it if not officially in the race yet? \*\* Well, you can’t be “drafted” to run for office in the same sense that you can be drafted into the armed forces. The Democratic Party can try to persuade her to run, maybe even apply some pressure, but they can’t force her to run for President. If she says no, then it’s no. > [@](#): > > \*\* > And does she have a chance? \*\* Probably not. Hillary comes with alot of baggage, deserved or not. There is a significant portion of the population that wouldn’t vote for her unless someone on the order of Idi Amin was running on the other side (and even then, they might go to a third party candidate). It’s certainly possible, as there are too many factors to consider and the election is still over a year away, but, my gut feeling is no. > [@](#): > > \*\* > What is good about her? > What is bad? \*\* I’ll leave this to others to debate; as I have very partisan feelings about Hillary and don’t want to get into partisan bickering. However, I would like to remind people of her pledge to serve her entire six-year Senate term… Zev Steinhardt ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-president/198443/4 "2003-08-29T16:34:25Z")
But then again- why not? “Drafting” someone refers to a variety of things. Sometimes if a Convention is deadlocked (which hasn’t happened for a long time, and isn’t likely too this next election), then the delegates will select someone that wasn’t in the Primary as a “compromise candidate”. Don’t expect it to happne, but I do admit that Hillary could be such a “compromise”. However, note- IMHO for the Dem candidate to win, s/he’ll have to be a Southern Democrat. Not a New Yorker, or a Yankee New Englander. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-president/198443/5 "2003-08-29T17:12:15Z")
With a title like “Hillary’s Scheme,” you just _know_ it’s going to be a balanced and objective look at the facts. :rolleyes: And what is it with right-wing political screeds in bookstores lately? Last time I went to Barnes & Noble, they had a half-dozen of 'em, like “Treason,” “Hillary’s Scheme,” and “Blinded by the Left” all on a table in the lobby. What, is the GOP _that_ afraid of Franken’s new book? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-president/198443/6 "2003-08-29T17:39:39Z")
Why is it that if Hillary wants to be president she’s “scheming,” but when GWB was scheming to be POTUS he was “called by God?” ---
**Author:** ![AV8R](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/898d66/32.png) [@AV8R](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AV8R)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-president/198443/7 "2003-08-29T18:23:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Diogenes the Cynic \* > \*\*Why is it that if Hillary wants to be president she’s “scheming,” but when GWB was scheming to be POTUS he was “called by God?” \*\* It’s kind of like when a career politician is not of your party, he is “power hungry”, but when a politician _is_ of your party he is “dedicated to public service”. ---
**Author:** ![E72521](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dbc845/32.png) [@E72521](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E72521)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-president/198443/8 "2003-08-29T18:27:58Z")
Sure you can draft. Here’s proof ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-president/198443/9 "2003-08-29T18:29:21Z")
Yeah, well I can start a “Draft Hillary” page too. That doesn’t mean that she _has_ to run… Zev Steinhardt ---
**Author:** ![E72521](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dbc845/32.png) [@E72521](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E72521)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-president/198443/10 "2003-08-29T18:53:13Z")
In this context the word draft means to demand. ---
**Author:** ![Sad\_Waters](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/898d66/32.png) [@Sad\_Waters](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sad_Waters)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-president/198443/11 "2003-08-29T18:55:26Z")
If she runs in the primary and wins then stick a fork in the Democratic party; they’re done. I do not vote along party lines but I do not like the current administration. Voting such a contentious person into for the leading ticket would be a huge huge huge mistake. ---
**Author:** ![E72521](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dbc845/32.png) [@E72521](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E72521)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-president/198443/12 "2003-08-29T18:55:41Z")
Oops…in the context of the military, it means to compel. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2003, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-president/198443/13 "2003-08-29T19:07:42Z")
You mean she’s not the President? my bad. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-president/198443/14 "2003-08-30T12:09:37Z")
> [@](#): > > However, I would like to remind people of her pledge to serve her entire six-year Senate term… > > Zev Steinhardt What - a Clinton lying? Perish the thought! Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-president/198443/15 "2003-08-30T14:19:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Shodan \* > \*\*What - a Clinton lying? > > Perish the thought! > > Regards, > Shodan \*\* Cite that Hilary has ever lied about anything? And it’s not like Hilary ever lied her way into an illegal war. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-president/198443/16 "2003-08-30T14:27:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Shodan \* > \*\*What - a Clinton lying? > > Perish the thought! > > Regards, > Shodan \*\* **Diogenes** gave the _mot juste_ riposte to this, **Shodan** , but a question: Is it your custom to judge people by what their spouses and relatives do? If you find a circumstance where Hillary R. Clinton lied on a public issue, it’s your privilege, and perhaps your duty, to bring it to light. But whether her husband did or not is hardly grounds to condemn her. ---
**Author:** ![Suse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@Suse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suse)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-president/198443/17 "2003-08-30T15:29:38Z")
I would prefer not to see HRC run for President at all. I think she’s too controversial of a choice, and if given the party nomination, is likely to drive the voters into the arms of Bush III. (Anybody out there think that Jeb _isn’t_ just waiting for his turn?) I’ve been involved in a discussion on another board on just this topic, and I’ve had to admit I truly don’t understand why she is so disliked. Can anyone help out with this? ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-president/198443/18 "2003-08-30T19:49:23Z")
Why is she so disliked? Because she has a fat ass(oh I am so kidding its an inside joke). The book mentions her alleged anti-semitism, the Masri incident, her supposed support of terrorist organizations, the spitting on the Albany Honor Guard incident, and the Broddick thing. It makes her seem horrible, were it all true. I do not know, I’ve learned recently not to believe everything I read.! Does anyone here like her politics? What are they, anyway? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-president/198443/19 "2003-08-30T21:51:15Z")
I thought you could only serve 2 terms? (light hearted dig at the portrailer of getting a 2-for when Mr Clinton was elected). On the downside, she tried to socialize the health care system in this country. She admitted later on that it was foolish and needed to work it in “piece-meal” (don’t have the exact quote). Not sure if the pardon scandal will affect her but she has not completely endeared herself to the Party. There are a lot of anectodal stories that don’t put her in a good light and I don’t want to list them all (not interested in a Hillary hate fest). Her good points: she is a good public speaker and is willing to use that talent to get elected. Her credentials are decent. She was a partner in a major law firm (handled White Water Investments) and she is now a SENATOR. She may still have some “victim” points remaining for putting up with “that man”. I personally don’t like her and would never vote for her but I think she is cabable of racking up some votes. ---
**Author:** ![monty2\_2001](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f0a364/32.png) [@monty2\_2001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monty2_2001)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2003, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-president/198443/20 "2003-08-30T22:09:48Z")
She’s a terrible speaker. ‘you know’ and drones on and on… Depressingly. She sucks. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-president/198443.md?page=2)