# Hillary for the Democratic nomination **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 2, 2019, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-the-democratic-nomination/827078 "2019-01-02T03:57:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-the-democratic-nomination/827078/81 "2019-01-03T05:15:39Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > I would vote for a small soap dish vs trump. A cleaner administration, I like that. ‘Scrubby’ Jabonera has my vote as well. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-the-democratic-nomination/827078/82 "2019-01-03T15:47:01Z")
Eh, my soap dish always ends up with a thick layer of gross scum at the bottom. But then, Trump’s layer of gross scum is right at the top, so… ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-the-democratic-nomination/827078/83 "2019-01-03T17:01:32Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > She lost to Donald Trump. That should be immediately disqualifying for any future attempts to run for anything. Yes, let’s just ignore everything else that happened in the election and focus entirely on the candidate. And not be surprised when it happens again. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2019, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-the-democratic-nomination/827078/84 "2019-01-03T17:07:00Z")
Hillary is a good person who ran for president for the right reasons (to improve the lives of Americans) and all thing being equal would make an excellent president. But all things are not equal. A substantial plank of the Republican platform for the last 25 years has been devoted to portraying Hillary as evil incarnate. Such that even if they realized that compromising with her was in the best interest of their constituents and the nation as a whole, they could not do so for political reasons. So with some 40% of the country brain washed into believing that she is the anti-Christ, her ability to lead would be hamstrung. All of this is completely moot however since as JohnT pointed out there is exactly zero probability that she could win the primary. The only people who ever bring her name up as a possible candidate for 2020 are Republicans who realize that Hillary hatred is the only thing they know how to run on, and are desperate for something to distract from the utter carnage of the Trump administration. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2019, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-the-democratic-nomination/827078/85 "2019-01-04T16:45:36Z")
Absolutely not. She’s had two tries at it and failed both times. She had the highest negatives of any Dem to have actually won the party’s presidential nominee since modern polling began, and she lost to _Donald Trump_, for chrissakes, when hardly anyone thought that was even possible. Her political career is over. ---
**Author:** ![Ancient\_Erudite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Ancient\_Erudite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ancient_Erudite)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-the-democratic-nomination/827078/86 "2019-01-05T02:12:12Z")
Hillary can freeze the field and raise money quickly. If she entered the race, she’s top 3 out of the gate, and would prevent the younger candidates from getting the spotlight. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-the-democratic-nomination/827078/87 "2019-01-05T02:31:26Z")
Who the heck do you think is going to donate anything at all to her? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Peyote\_Coyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5f8ce5/32.png) [@The\_Peyote\_Coyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Peyote_Coyote)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-the-democratic-nomination/827078/88 "2019-01-05T06:26:22Z")
No.I want to see some younger blood in there. I favor Gov. Dayton of Minnesota. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-the-democratic-nomination/827078/89 "2019-01-05T06:36:46Z")
If Hillary had lost to anyone else in 2016 (a generic Republican,) then the answer should be no. But this time, people like Bernie and Warren would help shield Hillary from the “She’s too old” argument (and also Trump himself being older than Hillary,) and also Hillary beating Trump would go down as the No. 1 Redemption Story in U.S. politics of all time. She only lost last time because of a perfect storm of things all happening together at the same time. Michigan doesn’t lose to Appalachian State twice. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-the-democratic-nomination/827078/90 "2019-01-05T13:43:21Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > She lost due to foreign interference yet won the popular vote by a huge margin. That thing with the popular vote is a very American mess, at least as seen from the other side of the Atlantic, but the thing is the rules were clear from the beginning. It is like tennis vs. soccer: you can win a tennis match scoring less points that your adversary and nobody would claim this to be unfair. This is not possible with soccer, where you can only win if you really do score more goals than your rival. When electing your president it is high time you learn what game you are playing, what the rules are and please choose the right president next time, will you? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-the-democratic-nomination/827078/91 "2019-01-05T14:43:43Z")
> [@Pardel-Lux](#): > > please choose the right president next time, will you? We’ll do our best. The idea is that the states choose the President, not the people. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-the-democratic-nomination/827078/92 "2019-01-05T15:12:37Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > We’ll do our best. Thanks a lot in advance, I wish you better luck next time. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-the-democratic-nomination/827078/93 "2019-01-05T15:23:02Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > People who voted for Hillary- are there any of us who would vote for Trump instead of Hillary in 2020? I dont know of any. Gain- even. Yes, if the Democrats are dumb enough to put Hillary as the candidate again, I’d vote for whoever the Republicans run in hopes that she’d lose by a large enough margin that the Democrats actually run viable candidates in the future. ---
**Author:** ![BenedictusXIV](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b19c9b/32.png) [@BenedictusXIV](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BenedictusXIV)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-the-democratic-nomination/827078/94 "2019-01-05T16:49:35Z")
Anyone who loses a head to head election from an uncharismatic dumb-ass bullshit artist with a bad reputation should consider a career in climate-change lectures rather than pursuing a second shot. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-the-democratic-nomination/827078/95 "2019-01-05T19:51:12Z")
> [@Pardel-Lux](#): > > That thing with the popular vote is a very American mess, at least as seen from the other side of the Atlantic, but the thing is the rules were clear from the beginning. It is like tennis vs. soccer: you can win a tennis match scoring less points that your adversary and nobody would claim this to be unfair. This is not possible with soccer, where you can only win if you really do score more goals than your rival. When electing your president it is high time you learn what game you are playing, what the rules are and please choose the right president next time, will you? The popular vote represents the will of the people. That trumps the electoral college I have long supported Hillary Clinton through both of her presidential elections Losing to Obama was a disappointment that I quickly got over But when I found out that Russia was actively and covertly involved in all out taking Hillary out of the race through Jill Stein and social media lies I am more than ever hopeful that Hillary has a chance to rub Putin’s nose. The fact that Democrats , would like to shove Hillary aside after all the hard work of her and her supporters tells me that the Democrats have no loyalty or sense of fair play. I.m really disappointed in you guys You got bullied and rolled over ---
**Author:** ![sps49sd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@sps49sd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sps49sd)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-the-democratic-nomination/827078/96 "2019-01-05T20:51:50Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Ok, but- if it was a choice between her and 4 more years of the trumpster Fire, which would you pick? > > Is there anyone here who voted for Hillary that would vote for Trump? > > Is there anyone here that _didn’t_ vote for Hillary but would if that was your only choice vs Trump? > > Look, I hope she doesn’t run either. But her vs trump- no question. Yes, I would vote Trump over Hillary again. I said this before the election- Trump (and Bernie) have stupid positions, but do not have the support nor skills to make their relative agenda happen. Hillary would have been likely to enact a lot of policies I disagree with. So we will endure Trump for a while, and hope for better choices. Unless you want Pence, who is like Hillary- more skilled at getting things done. I do not want Pence. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2019, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-the-democratic-nomination/827078/97 "2019-01-05T21:16:55Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > Yes, if the Democrats are dumb enough to put Hillary as the candidate again, I’d vote for whoever the Republicans run in hopes that she’d lose by a large enough margin that the Democrats actually run viable candidates in the future. Who did you vote for before? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2019, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-the-democratic-nomination/827078/98 "2019-01-06T05:19:02Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > …The idea is that the states choose the President, not the people. The people choose the President, not the states, but it’s through the structure of the Electoral College. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2019, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-the-democratic-nomination/827078/99 "2019-01-06T13:45:58Z")
Only because the states use popular voting as the method for choosing electors. They don’t have to. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2019, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-the-democratic-nomination/827078/100 "2019-01-06T18:39:00Z")
But they all do, and have since 1788, and it’s almost unimaginable that any elected official would vote to change it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-the-democratic-nomination/827078.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-for-the-democratic-nomination/827078.md?page=6)