# Hillary goes down: what happens next? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 19, 2015, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-goes-down-what-happens-next/720381 "2015-05-19T18:18:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-goes-down-what-happens-next/720381/62 "2015-05-24T14:59:19Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The real danger is that the Clintons themselves know something that would pretty much end their campaign in much the same way that John Edwards knew something while he was running. That probably won’t be a secret until after the election either if such a thing exists. No, that’s not a “real danger”, that’s an “imagined danger”. And one that could apply to anyone. The “real danger” for Clinton will come in the general election. Republicans do better when the turn-out is low, so she needs to make sure her tepid support among mainstream Democrats does not translate into a loss by default. I think that possibility is low, but not negligible. ---
**Author:** ![Riv1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Riv1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riv1)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-goes-down-what-happens-next/720381/63 "2015-05-24T23:06:00Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > OK, this oughta be good. > > What makes you think so? Besides your hope for Clinton not to win, that is. What \*facts \*imply to you that Warren is actually running, or going to, or even considering it? What? > Simple assertions contrary to fact don’t cut it here. > > Now, can you confirm the other thing you’re sure is going to destroy Clinton is _Benghazi_? 😉 Why do you keep pushing the lie that I think Benghazi is going destroy Clinton? WHERE DID I EVER MENTION BENGHAZI BEFORE? I’LL WRITE OUT A CHECK FOR $1000 FOR YOU IF YOU GO BACK AND SHOW ME WHERE I EVER MENTION BENGHAZI? BTW THERE IS LITTLE FACT IN A THREAD LIKE THIS, WE ARE TALKING PROJECTION, ASSUMPTION. YOU WANT TO RIDE SOMEBODY? PLEASE GO RIDE SOMEBODY ELSE. MODERATOR! PLEASE GET THIS BUG OFF MY BACK. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-goes-down-what-happens-next/720381/64 "2015-05-25T01:45:22Z")
Elvis, Riv1 has a point. At no point has he brought up Benghazi in this thread. Please don’t impart beliefs to other posters that they have not made clear. Doing so makes you look like you’re looking to knock over straw men instead of really discussing the issues. On the other hand… Riv1, it is specifically prohibited in both the Great Debates and Elections fora to accuse another poster of lying in any way. Your post prior to this one could have earned you a warning. Sufficient warnings could lead to sanctions up to and including the ending of your posting privileges here. No one wants that to happen. I’d advise you to read the rules for each forum in which you plan to post so these things don’t happen again. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-goes-down-what-happens-next/720381/65 "2015-05-25T02:04:20Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > Elvis, Riv1 has a point. At no point has he brought up Benghazi in this thread. He has made the claim that something is coming up, planned for early next year in fact. He won’t say what it is, so I’m asking him what he’s referring to, and he’s not denying it. I am not, as you say, “imparting beliefs” or creating strawmen. Thank you. So, tell us, **Riv1** , what \*are \*you referring to, if not Benghazi? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-goes-down-what-happens-next/720381/66 "2015-05-25T02:34:39Z")
that Jewish guy from Minnesota ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-goes-down-what-happens-next/720381/67 "2015-05-25T02:43:31Z")
Hillary whacked Paul Wellstone? ---
**Author:** ![Riv1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Riv1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riv1)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-goes-down-what-happens-next/720381/68 "2015-05-25T03:07:27Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > He has made the claim that something is coming up, planned for early next year in fact. He won’t say what it is, so I’m asking him what he’s referring to, and he’s not denying it. I am not, as you say, “imparting beliefs” or creating strawmen. Thank you. > > So, tell us, **Riv1** , what \*are \*you referring to, if not Benghazi? OBVIOUSLY I DON’T KNOW WHAT IS COMING UP AND NOWHERE DID I SAY ANYTHING WAS PLANNED TO COME UP. I’m assuming something will come up because something always has come up. THAT has been the gist of my argument. ---
**Author:** ![Riv1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Riv1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riv1)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-goes-down-what-happens-next/720381/69 "2015-05-25T03:11:06Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > Elvis, Riv1 has a point. At no point has he brought up Benghazi in this thread. Please don’t impart beliefs to other posters that they have not made clear. Doing so makes you look like you’re looking to knock over straw men instead of really discussing the issues. > > On the other hand… > > Riv1, it is specifically prohibited in both the Great Debates and Elections fora to accuse another poster of lying in any way. Your post prior to this one could have earned you a warning. Sufficient warnings could lead to sanctions up to and including the ending of your posting privileges here. No one wants that to happen. > > I’d advise you to read the rules for each forum in which you plan to post so these things don’t happen again. I’m not accusing him or her of lying, I’m accusing him or her of riding the new guy. I DEMAND THIS TO STOP! Either that or he she is very poor at reading comprehension. ---
**Author:** ![Riv1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Riv1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riv1)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-goes-down-what-happens-next/720381/70 "2015-05-25T03:19:47Z")
> [@Riv1](#): > > OBVIOUSLY I DON’T KNOW WHAT IS COMING UP AND NOWHERE DID I SAY ANYTHING WAS PLANNED TO COME UP. > > I’m assuming something will come up because something always has come up. > > THAT has been the gist of my argument. Something may be planned to come up anti Hillary around the NH primary but I’m not an insider and I can’t say what nor would I say what IF I knew. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-goes-down-what-happens-next/720381/71 "2015-05-25T12:08:56Z")
> [@Riv1](#): > > I’m not accusing him or her of lying, I’m accusing him or her of riding the new guy. > > I DEMAND THIS TO STOP! > > Either that or he she is very poor at reading comprehension. In the post that attracted Moderator attention, you included the accusation “pushing the lie.” This is a debate forum. You are quite welcome to dismiss or ignore another poster. Demanding that the staff prevent another poster from challenging one’s comments will not result in any action by the Mods. We do have rules against personal feuds and against stalking/harassment, but neither of those rules have (yet) been violated in this thread. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-goes-down-what-happens-next/720381/72 "2015-05-25T13:46:35Z")
> [@Riv1](#): > > OBVIOUSLY I DON’T KNOW WHAT IS COMING UP AND NOWHERE DID I SAY ANYTHING WAS PLANNED TO COME UP. > > I’m assuming something will come up because something always has come up. > > THAT has been the gist of my argument. What “came up” in the '08 primaries? Hillary got out-campaigned by Obama, but almost won. If anything, it was Obama who had things “come up” (like Rev Wright). ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-goes-down-what-happens-next/720381/73 "2015-05-25T14:01:45Z")
If you don’t have any idea of what’s going to come up, how can you know that there will be anything? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-goes-down-what-happens-next/720381/74 "2015-05-25T15:04:41Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > If you don’t have any idea of what’s going to come up, how can you know that there will be anything? Because something always comes up. Except when it doesn’t. Duh!! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-goes-down-what-happens-next/720381/75 "2015-05-25T16:05:31Z")
And that’s the exception which proves the rule! ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-goes-down-what-happens-next/720381/76 "2015-05-25T18:26:28Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > > [@adaher](#): > > > > The real danger is that the Clintons themselves know something that would pretty much end their campaign in much the same way that John Edwards knew something while he was running. That probably won’t be a secret until after the election either if such a thing exists. > > No, that’s not a “real danger”, that’s an “imagined danger”. And one that could apply to anyone. > > The “real danger” for Clinton will come in the general election. Republicans do better when the turn-out is low, so she needs to make sure her tepid support among mainstream Democrats does not translate into a loss by default. I think that possibility is low, but not negligible. Yeah, just about anyone can potentially have something come up, just as they may not. That’s just not something you can build your political strategies upon. And the enthusiasm gap will be a problem especially if she just coasts to the nomination effortlessly. It’s one thing simply hypothesizing about “if Hillary does not make it to the nomination, then what is Plan B”?(\*) or about “what of the known issues surrounding her right now has the biggest potential to hinder her campaign”? It’s another to try and guess the probabilities of something other than just the turn of the political cards. Assuming “something will come up because something always comes up” sort of leaves us where we were and is unhelpful for moving the discussion forward. (\* For all we know she could get knocked out of the race by a _force majeure_ that is entirely outside of her responsibility, and guess what: that could equally happen to Jeb, Rubio, Ted, Huckabee, O’Malley, Sanders, etc.; they are all but human) ---
**Author:** ![Riv1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Riv1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riv1)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-goes-down-what-happens-next/720381/77 "2015-05-25T19:35:13Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Because something always comes up. Except when it doesn’t. Duh!! suck my ass ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-goes-down-what-happens-next/720381/78 "2015-05-25T20:02:39Z")
This is going to go well … 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-goes-down-what-happens-next/720381/79 "2015-05-25T20:10:17Z")
Banned name! ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-goes-down-what-happens-next/720381/80 "2015-05-25T20:13:35Z")
Actually, let’s make this really simple: A new revelation that comes out and knocks someone out of the race _can’t_ be something that “always happens”, because every four years, we _always_ have at least two people who aren’t knocked out of the race. Given that it’s possible, and in fact nearly guaranteed, to have someone who isn’t knocked out of the race, what’s to say that Hillary won’t be that person? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-goes-down-what-happens-next/720381/81 "2015-05-25T20:15:39Z")
Actually, contra, Hillary is a bit less likely to be bounced due to some unrevealed dark episode in her past, because she has been more thoroughly investigated than anybody else up on our tracking screens. Investigative reporters have been crawling up her butt for what? twenty, twenty five years now? As far as an enthusiasm gap goes, I expect a lot of us to the left of Calvin Coolidge will vote for her, and make a _point_ of voting for her because the other team scares us enough to make laxatives superfluous… Beseat yourself, think “President Huckabee”, bang! wipe your Nixon and go! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-goes-down-what-happens-next/720381.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-goes-down-what-happens-next/720381.md?page=5)