# Hillary just lost the election. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 11, 2016, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663 "2016-09-11T16:04:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Corry\_El](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecae2f/32.png) [@Corry\_El](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corry_El)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/181 "2016-09-12T01:43:13Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > IMO, that’s not the real damage that was done today. The real damage done here is that **she basically confirmed a conspiracy theory**. > > Does anybody not actually fucking see the danger here? > > I mean, Hillary is not just unlikable anymore, she’s got zero credibility. I agree, the part about not disclosing the pneumonia diagnosis from Friday until today (when it might seem a ‘good explanation’ for the collapse) is also damaging. As is the fact that lots of Hillary-skeptic people, not limited to conspiracy theorists, pointed out that Hillary was coughing disturbingly much lately and were told they were imagining it. Apparently not. However Hillary had near zero credibility already with people who might swing either way in the election. Trump has little more (his ‘honest and trustworthy’ numbers have improved relative to hers in polls recently but both as still bad). What seems to me the bigger difference is just the fact that her health problem is real, to some degree, because people who haven’t decided based on ideology or identity are going to look at stuff like that. But I agree in general with your posts on this. This isn’t fatal necessarily, Trump still has all the same potential as he did yesterday to create more problems for himself and his rally lately has only been to close, not ahead. But it’s probably a notable negative for Clinton, in a number of aspects as you’ve mentioned. ---
**Author:** ![GulfTiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e79b87/32.png) [@GulfTiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GulfTiger)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/182 "2016-09-12T01:45:23Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > All right, you might take this with a grain of salt or an entire shaker, but [Report of DNC emergency meeting to consider replacing Hillary Clinton.](http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/09/11/breaking-dnc-calling-emergency-meeting-to-consider-replacing-hillary-clinton-details/) Too late to change the ballot in most states. Not to worry though, she would probably pull 35% if she was dead. Then the electors can choose someone else. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/183 "2016-09-12T01:49:41Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > All right, you might take this with a grain of salt or an entire shaker, but [Report of DNC emergency meeting to consider replacing Hillary Clinton.](http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/09/11/breaking-dnc-calling-emergency-meeting-to-consider-replacing-hillary-clinton-details/) That is a very misleading tweet. There is rumored to be a meeting. One of the powers of the committee is to replace the nominee… Therefore … Committee might be meeting to replace Clinton!!! No, that’s too many ifs. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/184 "2016-09-12T01:58:03Z")
Back in reality, it appears that [a new ABC poll has Hillary +8.](https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/774816277110018048) Of course the DNC is not going to replace her unless there is much more to her health than has come to light- a cancer diagnosis or the like. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/185 "2016-09-12T02:01:49Z")
Just want to throw out a possibility no one has mentioned yet. Could it be that she passed out because she was wearing kevlar and a ceramic plate under her coat because some wingnut called for Second Amendment supporters to exercise their rights against her? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/186 "2016-09-12T02:04:39Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Back in reality, it appears that [a new ABC poll has Hillary +8.](https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/774816277110018048) Of course the DNC is not going to replace her unless there is much more to her health than has come to light- a cancer diagnosis or the like. It’s 5 considering that Johnson and Stein are on the ballot in the key states. It’s no longer a 2-person race, and 3rd parties will be a factor this year. IMO, the real danger is this: what happens if even a handful of democrats come out in the next 24 hours and suggest she step aside? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/187 "2016-09-12T02:05:58Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > Just want to throw out a possibility no one has mentioned yet. Could it be that she passed out because she was wearing kevlar and a ceramic plate under her coat because some wingnut called for Second Amendment supporters to exercise their rights against her? Her doctor said she has pneumonia. That’s the story. Other factors won’t really get a lot of traction in the political discourse. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/188 "2016-09-12T02:06:36Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > . > > She basically proved that **the conspiracy theorists were right**. Meh… That footage of her letting her alien lizard tongue slip out is totally photoshopped IMO. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/189 "2016-09-12T02:08:40Z")
> [@Corry\_El](#): > > I agree, the part about not disclosing the pneumonia diagnosis from Friday until today (when it might seem a ‘good explanation’ for the collapse) is also damaging. As is the fact that lots of Hillary-skeptic people, not limited to conspiracy theorists, pointed out that Hillary was coughing disturbingly much lately and were told they were imagining it. Apparently not. > > However Hillary had near zero credibility already with people who might swing either way in the election. Trump has little more (his ‘honest and trustworthy’ numbers have improved relative to hers in polls recently but both as still bad). What seems to me the bigger difference is just the fact that her health problem is real, to some degree, because people who haven’t decided based on ideology or identity are going to look at stuff like that. > > But I agree in general with your posts on this. This isn’t fatal necessarily, Trump still has all the same potential as he did yesterday to create more problems for himself and his rally lately has only been to close, not ahead. But it’s probably a notable negative for Clinton, in a number of aspects as you’ve mentioned. When people point out that Trump won’t get much beyond 41 percent, I agree - he probably won’t. I think the extreme right wing probably knows that as well. The objective, thus, is to tear Hillary to pieces so that she gets down into 38-41 percent territory…which is very doable. And it’s doable when you basically confirm that a conspiracy theory has legs after all, which she did today. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/190 "2016-09-12T02:09:55Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Meh… > > That footage of her letting her alien lizard tongue slip out is totally photoshopped IMO. That’s what they want you to think. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/191 "2016-09-12T02:15:11Z")
I was hospitalized five days with pneumonia. IV antibiotics and I was pretty sick. Thankfully I never required a ventilator. I was weak for several days after going home. I hope Hillary takes a few days off and gets well. If she pushes herself this illness could linger for weeks. Maybe even get worse. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/192 "2016-09-12T02:21:28Z")
> [@GulfTiger](#): > > exactly, > > and her doctor cleared her to go out on the campaign trail, and they’ve known and tried to hide it, and they went to Chelsea’s apartment (with a small child there) instead of the hospital. > > This all smells like more Clinton crime family BS. > > Now she has to take several days off the campaign trail in order to stick with this cover story. They will probably ask that she be allowed to sit for the debates too. Wow. ---
**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/193 "2016-09-12T02:22:39Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > It’s not even showing up in my top three FB trending topics. Guess what’s the number one trending topic on Facebook now: “Hillary Clinton - 1M people talking about this” It’s an article on HRC having pneumonia ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/194 "2016-09-12T02:30:51Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Meh… > > That footage of her letting her alien lizard tongue slip out is totally photoshopped IMO. Not to mention the [green blood.](https://www.outerplaces.com/science/item/10804-the-science-of-the-x-files-alien-acidic-blood-and-the-real-life-toxic-lady?utm_expid=68243097-1.LutSYZjjRsmSMx2YZefKRA.0&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/195 "2016-09-12T02:31:24Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > > [@asahi](#): > > > > but as I said: you will see. > > Should that be pronounced in a Yoda voice? No; that would be “but as said I: see you will”. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/196 "2016-09-12T02:32:18Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > It’s 5 considering that Johnson and Stein are on the ballot in the key states. It’s no longer a 2-person race, and 3rd parties will be a factor this year. > > IMO, the real danger is this: what happens if even a handful of democrats come out in the next 24 hours and suggest she step aside? And why would they do that? ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/197 "2016-09-12T02:37:37Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Wow. Ignore it. He’s had nothing of substance to add to this board since joining. Just consider it background noise. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/198 "2016-09-12T02:49:09Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > I think you’re wrong about what’s happening here. I’m not seeing anyone here who wants Trump to win. The fact is, many of us are quite upset that this situation will _probably_ take center stage in all Trumps campaign ads between now and November. Stephen Bannon is going to make sure of that. If someone tell a big enough lie, enough times, even sane people will start believing it. If the fact that Hillary got pneumonia for a week takes center stage in all Trump’s messaging between now and November, while Hillary continues to say on message on issues of substance, then he’s going to lose even more badly than is being generally predicted. And if Bannon makes up some lie about Hillary’s health, it’s got to be credible with the general electorate – the campaign is no longer just dealing with Trump’s idiot base who will believe anything. It’s both personally and politically unfortunate that she’s sick – no way this is a good thing, but I refuse to believe that the whole political system itself is so sick that this can be spun into some kind of political turning point. People are voting for a president, fer chrissake, not Batman. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/199 "2016-09-12T02:56:18Z")
Clinton has now announced she is cancelling her trip to California. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/200 "2016-09-12T03:08:50Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > It’s fun watching all you Trumpistas trying to make yourselves feel better about the fact that your orangutan is going to go down in one of the biggest electoral defeats in US history. You’re not paying very close attention to the facts. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663.md?page=11)