# Hillary just lost the election. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 11, 2016, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663 "2016-09-11T16:04:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/241 "2016-09-12T10:07:20Z")
> [@TimeWinder](#): > > Or worse, she gets stabbed by a rampaging unicorn herd? Just asking questions here… Cute response but I’m afraid you don’t really understand the potential danger here. Whether you accept this to be true or not, the fact is that Hillary Clinton has seriously damaged her credibility and she has at the same time given credence to a major conspiracy theory, which is that she is in poor health. The risk in this situation is that someone in the party inadvertently fuels speculation that her health is frail to the point of creating a crisis of confidence. There is no way to control what hundreds of Clinton’s official supporters in the democratic party might say in a candid interview. It would be fairly easy for one of them to go off script and then have the media turn that into a story in and of itself. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 10:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/242 "2016-09-12T10:10:27Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > From several days ago: > > **Hillary’s Health Concerns Serious, Say Most Doctors Polled by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons** > > [Cite](http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/hillarys-health-concerns-serious-say-most-doctors-polled-by-the-association-of-american-physicians-and-surgeons-aaps-300325065.html) > > Questions about Hillary’s health are more concerning, more widespread and more legitimate than many posters here can bring themselves to admit. > > As for me I’m almost starting to feel sorry for the old harpy. She’s chased the golden ring of the presidency most of her adult life and sacrificed a great deal in its pursuit, and now it truly looks like it’s starting to fall apart before her very eyes. If she weren’t such a smug, condescending, hateful, lying bitch I’d probably be feeling sorry for her already, but as it is I can’t quite make myself pull the trigger. I found a poll from the national association of witch doctors that had similar results. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/243 "2016-09-12T10:18:48Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > And Johson/Stein/et al. pick up the other 18-20%? We’re probably going to have larger than usual numbers of people undecided going into the final days – that’s the tricky part. But to answer your question, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Gary Johnson pick up double digit support. Stein probably won’t get above five percent, but that could be about 10-15 percent by itself. So, yes, we could see a situation in which we enter the final Monday of the campaign with Trump and Clinton at 39-42 percent (78-84% of the total), Johnson at 7-12 percent and Stein at 2-4 percent and a few other no-name candidates here and there picking up the remainder. The question is whether Johnson and Stein enter with a strong 10-15 percent of protest votes. If not, then we will simply see larger numbers of undecideds heading into election day. But here’s the danger for Clinton based on the polling data I’ve seen: Trump supporters in these polls are more likely to support their candidate, they’re more committed to their candidate. Clinton needs to be winning by 4 percent in the polls to enter election night feeling somewhat safe. Short of that, I would say it’s advantage Trump, and the more ‘even’ the race, the worse it gets for the Clinton campaign. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/244 "2016-09-12T10:46:03Z")
Edit: never mind, saw that Starving Artist’s ridiculous cite has already been addressed. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/245 "2016-09-12T11:40:13Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Meanwhile, the _New Yorker_ online hasn’t even mentioned her illness, but is focusing on “basket of deplorables” as a potential political gaffe that might allow the Trump campaign to position themselves as uniters. Even this is extraordinary. Clinton says “basket of deplorables,” and it’s outrageous. Trump has accumulated a list of more outrageous comments, and…? Nothing. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/246 "2016-09-12T11:54:28Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > We’re probably going to have larger than usual numbers of people undecided going into the final days – … I’m not so sure. Checking last sets of polls: ABC/WaPo 4-way has only 2% undecided. Picking a couple of state ones the NBC/Marist of Georgia 3-way has only 4% undecided and the CBS/YouGov of Ohio has only 6%. Undecideds plus third third parties is not even huge. 13% in the ABC/WaPo for example, 14% in the Marist Georgia, 15% in the CBS/YouGov of Ohio. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/247 "2016-09-12T12:20:43Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Only because a candidate with limited mind control was able to capitalize on it. And probably would have won anyways. Of course the Doctor didn’t know that and knew his comment would be enough to ruin her. Setting aside the CS hijack, it’s a clever bit of writing showing that the perception of weakness of any kind can be fatal to politician. FDR has already been mentioned. Well he spent a lot of effort trying to appear vigorous. Reagan’s age was an issue so we saw video of him chopping wood. Now we have Hilary being dragged into a car. Trump doesn’t even have to say anything it’s all over the main stream media. Trump is an awful candidate and can be counted on for a few more gaffes so it might end up being a hiccup in two months but her campaign can not afford to ignore this. ---
**Author:** ![OwnRules](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ea666f/32.png) [@OwnRules](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OwnRules)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/248 "2016-09-12T12:23:58Z")
In as much as the best asset each candidate appears to posses in the public eye, is their adversary, looking frail – if being dragged into a van, unconscious, can be described as “frail” – is certainly not a plus for Hillary. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/249 "2016-09-12T12:29:53Z")
She could drop dead, and I’d gladly vote for her cold corpse over Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/250 "2016-09-12T12:36:47Z")
> [@GulfTiger](#): > > #GetWellSoonHillary THAT is the right sentiment. She can still do the debates… but she needs to rest Now. Honestly, it would be nice if she could just turn off the TV, turn off all of the phones, roll over on a Monday and just get some sleep. The weather is cooler today & perfect for sleeping in. Its OK, HRC. You’ve earned it. PS- Nobody likes the green jello. Get Well Soon!!! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/251 "2016-09-12T12:39:42Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > She could drop dead, and I’d gladly vote for her cold corpse over Trump. And there are people on the other side who would vote for a corpse over Hilary. It’s the people who don’t feel so strongly that are in play. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stainless_steel_rat/32/5727_2.png) [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/252 "2016-09-12T12:46:18Z")
My thoughts (such as they are and what there are of them), is that this has made the first debate crucial, perhaps even win/lose for Hillary. The common take (at least here on the Dope) is that Clinton would do very well compared to Trump when the topics would be covered in 15-minute segments, allowing her to show off her knowledge and skills while Donald floundered (again, that was the perception). Now, Hillary MUST have a strong debate, but not only in terms of covering issues but in how she is perceived by the 70 Million or so watchers. If she stands there for the 90 minutes, projecting that she is hale and hearty and at the same time shows command of the topics much better than the Mango Mussolini, then this incident will be forgotten. But if she looks ill or gets woozy or has another coughing fit, then the gloom and doom of the OP just possibly could come true. So being physically ready in a couple of weeks for that first debate is now highly critical for Clinton. The stakes have gotten higher. IMHO as always. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/253 "2016-09-12T12:46:57Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I wouldn’t be surprised to see Gary Johnson pick up double digit support. Stein probably won’t get above five percent If Stein picks up 5% or more I will eat my cat. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/254 "2016-09-12T12:51:26Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > And there are people on the other side who would vote for a corpse over Hilary. Generally its those types who’d try to subtly play up the ‘health-conspiracy’ angle. And what was it that one poster said? Somehow working hard enough to catch walking pneumonia damages her credibility? **WTF???** Here, let me borrow that medical degree so I can prescribe Trump a High Colonic to help with his speeches… ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/255 "2016-09-12T13:09:20Z")
> [@purplehearingaid](#): > > pneumonia isn’t good news for elderly people and Hillary already has health issues from the fall she had. She wasn’t able to walk on her own today . If her health can’t hold up during campaigning how the hell is going to as president of USA !!?? Trump isn’t going to let this go away quietly , he already said Hillary’s health isn’t good and this is going to score big in Trump’s camp ! Damn fool of a woman running for president with her health issues and baggage ! I agree she is washed up ! SHIT ! I couldn’t seeing her winning the election before and I sure don’t see it happening now . She had a cough for awhile now and I knew it wasn’t from allergies like she said it was . [“Yes. You’re very smart. Shut up.”](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hssPVz33aDE) ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/256 "2016-09-12T13:10:54Z")
A random point or two. As previously mentioned. The Dukakus helmet. The Whatshisname scream. And a few other incidents (at least) of the sort. In any sane world these things wouldn’t make a hill of beans difference. But it often appears they did. And the debates. Most people think Hillary will mop the floor with Trump. First I would not count on that. But that is beside the point. People here think that because she knows her stuff better and can probably debate better in a proper logical manner (which most very likely IS true IMO). But here is the thing. Let us turn on the wayback machine. Remember the Carter/Regan debate? As a data point I was moderately for Carter. Regan seemed likeable too but IMO at the time he just did NOT have the experience for the job. So basically I am mildly pro Carter anti Regan but it is also NOT like I wanna have Carter’s love child or think Regan is the demon spawn. I remember watching the debate and thinking Carter BLEW Regan away. Carter answered questions (back when they actually did rather than blathering for 5 minutes without actually saying anything). Carter had plans. Carter defended himself well. Regan not so much (if at all…the details get a little fuzzy). Anyway to cut to the chase IMO in any sane world Carter was the winner. Guess who the general public thought won? I think a fair number of you Dopers here are in danger of doing a my Carter. Not saying it WILL happen. Just saying it is a possiblity. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/257 "2016-09-12T13:14:19Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Cute response but I’m afraid you don’t really understand the potential danger here. Whether you accept this to be true or not, the fact is that Hillary Clinton has seriously damaged her credibility and she has at the same time given credence to a major conspiracy theory, which is that she is in poor health. The risk in this situation is that someone in the party inadvertently fuels speculation that her health is frail to the point of creating a crisis of confidence. Clinton is going to fall in the polls this week. That’s a foregone conclusion. Trump will at least pull even, or close enough, by Friday. That is something people need to be prepared for, 'cause it’s going to happen. Having said that, three key events are coming up that could reverse the narrative; the debates. If Clinton looks healthy at the debates, the narrative of “Clinton is sick” will be squished. The first debate is two weeks away, which is more than enough time for her to recover from pneumonia (at least, enough that she’ll look fine.) If she looks fine and Trump challenges her on her health, she can shut him down. “I feel great. Fit as a fiddle. I had a bug a few weeks ago, who cares? I got better. You remain ignorant.” The candidates are never more visible to the country as a whole as they are during the debates. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/258 "2016-09-12T13:15:54Z")
Hillary can’t approach it as if logic will win the day. She just has to look presidential. I think the best thing she could do is get someone to tweet things about Trump to get under his skin and get him ready to explode when the debate starts. Let him bluster and she could pull a Reagan and say “there you go again”. Love Andy Borowitz’s line: > [@](#): > > I find it hard to believe that there are many voters out there who would say to themselves, “Hmm, Hillary seems sick, so I guess I’ll vote for the Nazi instead.” ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/259 "2016-09-12T13:25:22Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Clinton is going to fall in the polls this week. That’s a foregone conclusion. Trump will at least pull even, or close enough, by Friday. That is something people need to be prepared for, 'cause it’s going to happen. > > Having said that, three key events are coming up that could reverse the narrative; the debates. If Clinton looks healthy at the debates, the narrative of “Clinton is sick” will be squished. The first debate is two weeks away, which is more than enough time for her to recover from pneumonia (at least, enough that she’ll look fine.) If she looks fine and Trump challenges her on her health, she can shut him down. “I feel great. Fit as a fiddle. I had a bug a few weeks ago, who cares? I got better. You remain ignorant.” The candidates are never more visible to the country as a whole as they are during the debates. What Trump’s campaign will do is take footage of the coughing, the trip on the stairs, the “collapse” at the 911 event,splice it together, with a dirge in the background, and play it over and over in campaign ads. The point being that this footage will resonate with the undecideds when they hear Hillary’s name. Your point is well taken for those of us who will vote Hillary over Trump, but we’re already represented in the polls. It’s those who are just now waking up to the fact that they have to vote on 60 days who will be influenced. And that will hurt. Hurt bad. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2016, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663/260 "2016-09-12T13:29:25Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Even this is extraordinary. > > Clinton says “basket of deplorables,” and it’s outrageous. > > Trump has accumulated a list of more outrageous comments, and…? Nothing. I wouldn’t call a full week of non-stop pounding over Trump’s comments about the Gold Star Parents “nothing”. How quickly we forget as the news cycle churns out the latest “controversy”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hillary-just-lost-the-election/765663.md?page=14)